Syria in crisis

[Gizmo]

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[GloriousChicken]

^^The world is already at war dude, If you guys think that the world will go into another conflict like WW II again then you're mistaken IMO. The world still fights but the way in which wars are fought has radically changed. It's all dominated by precision weaponry and tech. The guy with the best tech wins and US tech is still unmatched.

In any case, If Obama does strike Syria he's going to be doing it without any backup, the UN security council and the British parliament have voted against striking Syria but it looks like Obama will do it anyways.

it is in US Nature to strike eitherway.
With or without permission.

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The prophecy is coming true. World War 3 will start with this dispute between Muslim countries. So much for the so called "Muslim Brotherhood", huh.

It isnt happening maturely.
its happening because of foregein powers trying to get involved.... as far as i can think.
the prophercy is irrelevant here i guess :flame:

 

[upsetkillerNJB]

The world is already at war dude, If you guys think that the world will go into another conflict like WW II again then you're mistaken IMO. The world still fights but the way in which wars are fought has radically changed. It's all dominated by precision weaponry and tech. The guy with the best tech wins and US tech is still unmatched. In any case, If Obama does strike Syria he's going to be doing it without any backup, the UN security council and the British parliament have voted against striking Syria but it looks like Obama will do it anyways.

you are missing the point , usa isnt some alien species , they still rely on natural resources and they will weaken sooner or later , a country like pakistan can give it a very very tough time in a long term combat , afghanistan ka L kuch karsakay , baray aye ab syria par time waste karnay

 

[LeGenD123]

you are missing the point , usa isnt some alien species , they still rely on natural resources and they will weaken sooner or later , a country like pakistan can give it a very very tough time in a long term combat , afghanistan ka L kuch karsakay , baray aye ab syria par time waste karnay

USA is not trying to destroy Afghanistan but its objectives were to rout Taliban forces, cripple Al-Qaeda network and bring moderate elements to power. USA have made progress on all of these fronts but Taliban have roots within the populace of Afghanistan (its an ideology) so Taliban isn't going anywhere unless USA begins to terminate the populace of Afghanistan which is not its objective and neither USA would wish to damage its own mandate concerning WoT in this manner.

This is why the war in Afghanistan is so challenging; Taliban individuals do not wear uniforms; cannot be distinguished from local people; have no infrastructure; and avoid open confrontations. A professional military isn't designed to tackle an adversary of this nature but occupation was necessary evil for USA to ensure that its objectives are met. USA have built ANA (featuring Afghan locals) to keep pressure on Taliban to force it to negotiation table and accept changes. Afghan locals are in better position to identify Taliban activities and minimize them.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, it has a proper military setup and lot of infrastructure. This is exactly what US war machine is designed to take care off. Therefore, ground realities of war in Pakistan are going to be vastly different from ground realities of war in Afghanistan. Of-course, some parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa might offer ground realities akin to that of Afghanistan but the rest of the country is vastly different. And a huge segment of Pakistani people are not hardened for harsh realities of occupation so this is a disastrous scenario for urbanized sectors of Pakistan (in particular) because comfortable lifestyles and vice versa will be the first casualties that locals are likely to experience followed by many deaths.

 

[GloriousChicken]

USA is not trying to destroy Afghanistan but its objectives were to rout Taliban forces, cripple Al-Qaeda network and bring moderate thinkers to power. USA have made progress on all of these fronts but Taliban have roots within the populace of Afghanistan (its an ideology) so Taliban isn't going anywhere unless USA begins to terminate the populace of Afghanistan which is not its objective and neither USA would wish to damage its own mandate concerning WoT in this manner.

This is why the war in Afghanistan is so challenging; Taliban individuals do not wear uniforms; cannot be distinguished from local people; have no infrastructure; and avoid open confrontations. A professional military isn't designed to tackle an adversary of this nature but occupation was necessary evil for USA to ensure that its objectives are met. USA have built ANA (featuring Afghan locals) to keep pressure on Taliban to force it to negotiation table and accept changes. Afghan locals are in better position to identify Taliban activities and minimize them.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, it has a proper military setup and lot of infrastructure. This is exactly what US war machine is designed to take care off. Therefore, ground realities of war in Pakistan are going to be vastly different from ground realities of war in Afghanistan. Of-course, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa might offer ground realities akin to that of Afghanistan but the rest of the country is vastly different. And Pakistani people are not hardened to deal with harsh realities of occupation so this is a disastrous scenarios for many in Pakistan because comfortable lifestyles and all that will be GONE.

Just out of curiosity.
You mean to say (Some what)
IF the U.S. occupys Pakistan without having to have heavy resistance will destory our life style (This word is true)
but For US to occupy Pakistan would take alot of resources and wont have much chance of success?
-Oftopic.
Do you guys think the US will be able to fight different combat in paki regions as they are vastly different from one and another?
But every empire has its turn i guess.


eDITL: do disregard me
i was oftopic with this one

 

[LeGenD123]

^^^

As per assessment of Musharraf and/or the top military brass, Pakistan does not holds a candle to US war machine, contrary to popular belief within the country. Pakistani people are known for their "over-optimistic" attitudes. Regardless, occupation of Pakistan is an EXPENSIVE venture and USA may not be willing to go this far until or unless its economic situation have fully stabilized.

Occupations of large countries can be expensive ventures in modern times, depending upon various ground realities.

More importantly, Pakistan have never antagonized USA in such a manner that it would warrant a strong military response from the latter country. Regardless of history of incompetence, Pakistani foreign policy have its share of wise decisions.

 

[saad51233]

It's all about exhibiting the power, John Kerry said the other day that 'reputation of the US is at stake'.

 

[sinnersaint]

Why don't you make a separate thread about "our problems"? This thread though is about Syria.

BTW have you considered donating the 4-5 lakhs you have to the following causes you care so deeply about:

Ok, lets make a thread about libya, egypt, palestine, kashmir, afghanistan and all other muslim countries where there are problems except Pakistan where everything is perfect.

And since the remainder of your post is a personal attack on me, I won't even bother replying to it since you don't know who I am in real-life !

How is this rant even remotely related to my post? I honestly don't even.........

Charity starts at home. Why worry about a Laptop upgrade (or your Noir A8 camera) when there are bigger and more important societal issues at hand? :lol:

Exactly, my point !

and what has the rest of your post got to do with what I'm saying? If you people are so worried about Syria, have you stopped eating, using cellfones/internet, going to your colleges/work etc? you are acting like a *beep*.

If it worries you so much, get the next flight and go to Syria instead of just posting on PG. As for me, I'm doing whats in my capacity for the social issues in Pakistan !

 

[Juste]

Behind the Sectarian and Arab-Persian war, the reality of the Syrian crisis is much sinister and murkier. It is about Gas pipelines....

There are 6 grand strategic objectives of US foreign policy in 21st century.

1. Protection of Israel / breaking up of large Muslim countries.
2. Destruction of Political Islam.
3. Control of global resources.
4. Control of Global water ways and trade routes and pipelines.
5. Containment of Russia.
6. Containment of China.


All these 6 objectives are being met in Syria. The Muslim countries are fighting amongst each other to protect their own interests and are being exploited by the hostile powers of Russia and US/NATO/Israel. Israel emerges as the net winner in this chaos.

All major pipelines go through Syria to Europe -- $500 billion dollar gas market per year. Russians want their gas line. Iran wants their. Saudi/Qatar wants their. Turkey wants all gas lines to go through Turkey. Israel wants its own line. The EU/NATO/US do not want Russian or Iran to get any share here. The war is for energy corridor, becomes sectarian in nature, then regional and now threaten to become a world war !!! This is the reality.

Syria's Pipelineistan war - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

 

[sinnersaint]

It's all about exhibiting the power, John Kerry said the other day that 'reputation of the US is at stake'.

and sadly, this power is coming by the money donated from our own brother muslim countries. what a shame.

 

[Juste]

Saudi Arabia trying to offer lucrative deals to Russia to abandon its own projects in Syria, so that Western companies, Saudis, Israelis and Qataris can grab the European Gas route of pipeline through Syria.

Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria - Telegraph

 

[saad51233]

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[babloo]

absolutely russia, america , china , africa , someone needs to teach them a lesson so they dont interfere in middle east again and saudis are doing the job as good slaves of Allah .

 

[BumperJumper]

absolutely russia, america , china , africa , someone needs to teach them a lesson so they dont interfere in middle east again and saudis are doing the job as good slaves of Allah .

Bro, you high?

 

[afeef]

I didn't know that half of the PG's are defence analyst as well....

 

[Juste]

امریکا آخر شام پر حملہ کیوں کرنا چاہتا ہے ؟؟ کیا نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے 1400 سال پہلے ہی اسکی پیشگوئی کر دی تھی ؟؟؟

ایک فکر انگیز تحریر پڑہیں

 

[Spartan 117]

PakGamers --> Great Place for Pakistani Gamers ---> Where you can find discussions on every topic.

Fixed.
Visit gaming section too sometimes.

 

[AlienX]

Fixed.
Visit gaming section too sometimes.

Bhai jaan that was figure of speech, I didn't mean it in literal terms .

 

[Lord AvaLon]

امریکا آخر شام پر حملہ کیوں کرنا چاہتا ہے ؟؟ کیا نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے 1400 سال پہلے ہی اسکی پیشگوئی کر دی تھی ؟؟؟

ایک فکر انگیز تحریر پڑہیں

I read somewhere that War in Syria would provide an impetus to the Muslim forces to claim their lost glory.
Article you quoted is as emotional as anyone can hope from Oriya Jan. As soon as the emotion drains there is little to digest. Such as his attempt to paint Mamaar Qadafi as one of the true heroes. His rule is not a secret, not anymore. Having seen his atrocities toward the common masses, only the ignorant will hail him as a true leader of the people.
Same happened in Egypt, people in the end saw a ray of hope and became united against the dictatorship of Mobarak and here our belligerent writer quote it as a sudden change... He ruled Egypt half a century, how much time did that true believer of Islam needed to change the fate of the country? The movement paved path for Morsi to claim the throne and the only reason was unavailability of a leader. There was only one party, notwithstanding the army. Who would you vote for?
Syria is more in a quagmire of Sectarian conflict on a global lever rather than a war. However, it wont take time to bring change which may even be positive. I hope it will be concluded within a few days.

 

[Blastwave]

NATO said NO!

That was refreshing!