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maazsk97

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player1234 said:
Stop acting like you pay him to do your job "check it and get it fixed". You should be respecting the guy that he's willing to help people over gaming forums.
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I am not being rude in anyway and I respect him and politely provided him the information he asked for. I don't know from what perspective you are looking at my post but I didn't mean it the way you are thinking it is.
 
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maazsk97

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So far I am happy with this service but I really need to know that why does Twitch buffer only on PTCL? It even works fine on my Ufone 3G but PTCL just can't handle a single 720p stream despite the routing being good. Any valid known reason for this?
 
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maazsk97 said:
So far I am happy with this service but I really need to know that why does Twitch buffer only on PTCL? It even works fine on my Ufone 3G but PTCL just can't handle a single 720p stream despite the routing being good. Any valid known reason for this?
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Okay, So, I was about to say that the routing to twitch is fucked which it was a couple of months ago and many people tried to get it fixed (Some people over at the paki csgo community tried to get this fixed even) but eventually while there were improvements people still suffered issues.

Just now, I did a traceroute to twitch.tv and it seems like I'm getting 55ms to the server. A week ago I found out that cloud flare's DNS servers were the same 40ms ping.
(Note: I could get as low as 30ms as my friend does get this who lives down the street).

Does anyone know what is going on? Checking the end IP in the traceroute to twitch.tv points to the geolocation of US California. There are some IP's in b/w that point towards UAE, Dubai. The IP's before both of these point towards Karachi.

Code: 
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|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                             192.168.1.1 -    0 |    4 |    4 |    0 |    0 |    1 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |    1 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                               10.0.0.13 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   18 |   22 |   32 |   18 |
|                              10.0.2.149 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   23 |   26 |   31 |   23 |
|                                10.1.1.6 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   48 |   53 |   61 |   61 |
|   static-10GE-KHI275-P01-SwA.pie.net.pk -    0 |    4 |    4 |   42 |   45 |   50 |   42 |
|                hi77c2-Sw494b.pie.net.pk -    0 |    4 |    4 |   41 |   45 |   48 |   41 |
|                          195.229.27.133 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   60 |   68 |   85 |   61 |
|                            195.229.0.89 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   61 |   71 |   84 |   61 |
|                           195.229.0.160 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   61 |   74 |   89 |   61 |
|                           195.229.4.245 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   64 |   73 |   89 |   64 |
|                         151.101.194.167 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   61 |   70 |   84 |   61 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
   WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider
P.S The pings for Fortnite, Pubg and Pretty much all Ubisoft games or rather they've improved routings to Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure servers really.
There was a Facebook post in the PTCL Gaming lounge FB group. The person who (basically to my knowledge) started the push for local game servers within PTCL came back from the dead in this dead group and started announcing improvements in pings in Rainbow six siege, Fortnite and Pubg one by one. Many people commented that they were getting good pings while others (I was included) weren't getting good pings. I sent him a traceroute with my IP (2-3 times) and 2 weeks later (Without any Abuses will lead to baning or hassle) my pings improved.
I don't know the background of things but regardless I thought it would be nice to share this detail with you all.
 
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maazsk97

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greyfreak19 said:
Okay, So, I was about to say that the routing to twitch is fucked which it was a couple of months ago and many people tried to get it fixed (Some people over at the paki csgo community tried to get this fixed even) but eventually while there were improvements people still suffered issues.

Just now, I did a traceroute to twitch.tv and it seems like I'm getting 55ms to the server. A week ago I found out that cloud flare's DNS servers were the same 40ms ping.
(Note: I could get as low as 30ms as my friend does get this who lives down the street).

Does anyone know what is going on? Checking the end IP in the traceroute to twitch.tv points to the geolocation of US California. There are some IP's in b/w that point towards UAE, Dubai. The IP's before both of these point towards Karachi.

Code: 
 |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                             192.168.1.1 -    0 |    4 |    4 |    0 |    0 |    1 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |    1 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                               10.0.0.13 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   18 |   22 |   32 |   18 |
|                              10.0.2.149 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   23 |   26 |   31 |   23 |
|                                10.1.1.6 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   48 |   53 |   61 |   61 |
|   static-10GE-KHI275-P01-SwA.pie.net.pk -    0 |    4 |    4 |   42 |   45 |   50 |   42 |
|                hi77c2-Sw494b.pie.net.pk -    0 |    4 |    4 |   41 |   45 |   48 |   41 |
|                          195.229.27.133 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   60 |   68 |   85 |   61 |
|                            195.229.0.89 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   61 |   71 |   84 |   61 |
|                           195.229.0.160 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   61 |   74 |   89 |   61 |
|                           195.229.4.245 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   64 |   73 |   89 |   64 |
|                         151.101.194.167 -    0 |    4 |    4 |   61 |   70 |   84 |   61 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
   WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider
P.S The pings for Fortnite, Pubg and Pretty much all Ubisoft games or rather they've improved routings to Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure servers really.
There was a Facebook post in the PTCL Gaming lounge FB group. The person who (basically to my knowledge) started the push for local game servers within PTCL came back from the dead in this dead group and started announcing improvements in pings in Rainbow six siege, Fortnite and Pubg one by one. Many people commented that they were getting good pings while others (I was included) weren't getting good pings. I sent him a traceroute with my IP (2-3 times) and 2 weeks later (Without any Abuses will lead to baning or hassle) my pings improved.
I don't know the background of things but regardless I thought it would be nice to share this detail with you all.
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Pings for Rainbow 6 were screwed up for me for months but thanks to Usman who got it fixed within like a week. All thanks to him and PTCL really need to start hiring people like him.
 
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shoaibsohail23

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pings issue on aisa amazon singapore server im getting 350 pings help!

im getting 350 pings on aisa amazoon server pls help !
moosvi94 said:
You can check IP ranges for Amazon Singapore servers here http://ec2-reachability.amazonaws.com
Tracerts are in spoiler below

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Amazon Singapore server
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| broadcom.home - 0 | 57 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 182.185.128.1 - 0 | 57 | 57 | 21 | 97 | 220 | 73 |
| 182.176.139.237 - 0 | 57 | 57 | 20 | 22 | 66 | 21 |
| 10.2.1.10 - 0 | 57 | 57 | 37 | 42 | 53 | 37 |
| static-10GE-KHI275-P01-SwA.pie.net.pk - 0 | 57 | 57 | 38 | 42 | 52 | 41 |
| rwp44.pie.net.pk - 0 | 57 | 57 | 39 | 42 | 48 | 41 |
| 203.208.175.201 - 0 | 57 | 57 | 239 | 242 | 266 | 239 |
| 203.208.131.122 - 0 | 57 | 57 | 288 | 290 | 303 | 289 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
|ec2-13-250-0-253.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com - 0 | 57 | 57 | 296 | 297 | 299 | 296 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider

Twitch tracert ​

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| csp3.zte.com.cn.home - 0 | 18 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 182.185.128.1 - 0 | 17 | 17 | 49 | 82 | 111 | 105 |
| 182.176.139.237 - 0 | 17 | 17 | 21 | 21 | 21 | 21 |
| 10.2.1.10 - 0 | 17 | 17 | 39 | 50 | 71 | 47 |
| khi275.c2.nxa.ptcl.com.pk - 0 | 17 | 17 | 42 | 45 | 48 | 48 |
| static.khi77.pie.net.pk - 0 | 17 | 17 | 45 | 48 | 52 | 50 |
| Equinix-khi.pie.net.pk - 0 | 17 | 17 | 124 | 127 | 129 | 129 |
| Destination network unreachable. - 100 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| No response from host - 100 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider
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shaheerk

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You can try reducing your ping by changing the modulation by switching to G.DMT - it could improve by up to 30ms in some cases.
 
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shoaibsohail23

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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


C:\Windows\system32>tracert 52.76.191.252


Tracing route to ec2-52-76-191-252.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com [52.76.1
91.252]
over a maximum of 30 hops:


1 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 192.168.10.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 29 ms 31 ms 28 ms 10.0.6.25
4 46 ms 49 ms 45 ms 182.184.3.29
5 45 ms 53 ms 49 ms 10.0.4.50
6 51 ms 51 ms 53 ms static-10GE-KHI275-P01-SwB.pie.net.pk [202.125.1
28.156]
7 49 ms 49 ms 45 ms static.khi77.pie.net.pk [202.125.128.170]
8 * 331 ms 334 ms 1.9.241.205
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11
 
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player1234

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shoaibsohail23 said:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


C:\Windows\system32>tracert 52.76.191.252


Tracing route to ec2-52-76-191-252.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com [52.76.1
91.252]
over a maximum of 30 hops:


1 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 192.168.10.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 29 ms 31 ms 28 ms 10.0.6.25
4 46 ms 49 ms 45 ms 182.184.3.29
5 45 ms 53 ms 49 ms 10.0.4.50
6 51 ms 51 ms 53 ms static-10GE-KHI275-P01-SwB.pie.net.pk [202.125.1
28.156]
7 49 ms 49 ms 45 ms static.khi77.pie.net.pk [202.125.128.170]
8 * 331 ms 334 ms 1.9.241.205
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11
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I'm getting the same shitty ping on Singapore servers. Seems like @usmanghazanfar is away. Wait for him and he might be able to help us. It's really sad and annoying that we get 300+ ping to Singapore.
 
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mafaque

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hello guys, im having ping issues in some singapore amazon aws servers in fortnite, some servers give me 110ms but some give me more than 300ms, here is a traceroute of the server giving more than 300ms:

tracert 18.136.0.0


Tracing route to ec2-18-136-0-0.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com [18.136.0.0]
over a maximum of 30 hops:


1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms broadcom.home [192.168.10.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 14 ms 23 ms 22 ms 10.0.6.1 [10.0.6.1]
4 18 ms 15 ms 14 ms 10.0.3.89 [10.0.3.89]
5 38 ms 41 ms 42 ms 10.2.1.10 [10.2.1.10]
6 39 ms 41 ms 42 ms khi494.c2.nxb.ptcl.com.pk [221.120.248.52]
7 43 ms 38 ms 40 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.248.5]
8 135 ms 135 ms 135 ms te0-0-0-9.ccr21.mrs01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.14.125.217]
9 136 ms 135 ms 136 ms pccw.mrs01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.14.62]
10 315 ms 321 ms 322 ms TenGE0-1-0-17.br02.hkg12.pccwbtn.net [63.218.174.61]
11 319 ms 326 ms 318 ms amazon.buneth1.br02.hkg12.pccwbtn.net [63.217.254.74]
12 314 ms 314 ms 316 ms 54.240.241.22
13 313 ms 310 ms 309 ms 54.240.241.17
14 307 ms 312 ms 308 ms 54.240.241.119
15 319 ms 310 ms 310 ms 52.93.8.106
16 314 ms 310 ms 310 ms 52.93.11.9
17 314 ms 312 ms 310 ms 52.93.11.10
18 308 ms 307 ms 307 ms 52.93.8.137
19 314 ms 309 ms 317 ms 52.93.10.71
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 316 ms 309 ms 314 ms ec2-18-136-0-0.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com [18.136.0.0]


Trace complete.

But here is the traceroute for a server thats giving good ping:

tracert 13.228.0.251


Tracing route to ec2-13-228-0-251.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com [13.228.0.251]
over a maximum of 30 hops:


1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms broadcom.home [192.168.10.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 19 ms 14 ms 24 ms 10.0.6.1 [10.0.6.1]
4 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms 10.0.3.89 [10.0.3.89]
5 35 ms 35 ms 36 ms 10.2.1.10 [10.2.1.10]
6 52 ms 43 ms 38 ms khi275.c1.nxb.ptcl.com.pk [221.120.248.51]
7 34 ms 42 ms 37 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.248.46]
8 115 ms 122 ms 121 ms xe-0-0-0-24.r00.sngpsi05.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net [116.51.26.61]
9 126 ms 116 ms 117 ms ae-0.a00.sngpsi05.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.9]
10 124 ms 116 ms 121 ms ae-6.r01.sngpsi07.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.26]
11 122 ms 124 ms 116 ms ae-1.a00.sngpsi07.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.92]
12 113 ms 111 ms 125 ms ae-0.amazon.sngpsi07.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net [116.51.17.46]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 115 ms 116 ms 120 ms 52.93.10.21
16 121 ms 117 ms 128 ms 52.93.11.51
17 117 ms 115 ms 117 ms 52.93.11.48
18 120 ms 126 ms 114 ms 52.93.8.27
19 114 ms 117 ms 126 ms 203.83.223.23
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 120 ms 120 ms 121 ms ec2-13-228-0-251.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com [13.228.0.251]

i get an ip address from ip range 39.45.xxx.xx.
[MENTION=32544]usmanghazanfar[/MENTION]
 
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shaheerk

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One is going via Europe (France). The other is going via Singapore.



Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
 
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mafaque

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shaheerk said:
One is going via Europe (France). The other is going via Singapore.



Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
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This shouldnt be the case,i wanna report this issue to ptcl but they wont be able to understand. So i tagged usmanghazanfar to help me here
 
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DarkRaiden112

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1 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms Broadcom.Home [192.168.10.1]
2 51 ms 40 ms 37 ms 182.176.0.122
3 16 ms 16 ms 18 ms 10.0.1.25
4 18 ms 18 ms 26 ms 10.0.2.149
5 185 ms 86 ms 60 ms 10.1.1.6
6 85 ms 183 ms 122 ms khi275.c1.nxb.ptcl.com.pk [221.120.248.51]
7 67 ms 137 ms 229 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.248.5]
8 179 ms 263 ms 255 ms te0-4-0-27.ccr21.mrs01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.14.126.1]
9 196 ms 228 ms 313 ms be3092.ccr41.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.49.153]
10 217 ms 211 ms 179 ms be3183.ccr31.par04.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.38.66]
11 428 ms 307 ms 367 ms be100-171.th2-1-a9.fr.eu [37.187.36.38]
12 322 ms 299 ms 412 ms be102.gra-g2-nc5.fr.eu [213.186.32.214]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 282 ms 279 ms 280 ms be50-7.gra-3b-a9.fr.eu [37.187.231.92]
15 278 ms 279 ms 278 ms ns373881.ip-5-196-92.eu [5.196.92.23]
[MENTION=32544]usmanghazanfar[/MENTION] getting this ping on eu servers while i should be getting close to 160ms. I am on 39.50.xx.xx ip, im hoping you can do something about this
 
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player1234

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DarkRaiden112 said:
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1 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms Broadcom.Home [192.168.10.1]
2 51 ms 40 ms 37 ms 182.176.0.122
3 16 ms 16 ms 18 ms 10.0.1.25
4 18 ms 18 ms 26 ms 10.0.2.149
5 185 ms 86 ms 60 ms 10.1.1.6
6 85 ms 183 ms 122 ms khi275.c1.nxb.ptcl.com.pk [221.120.248.51]
7 67 ms 137 ms 229 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.248.5]
8 179 ms 263 ms 255 ms te0-4-0-27.ccr21.mrs01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.14.126.1]
9 196 ms 228 ms 313 ms be3092.ccr41.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.49.153]
10 217 ms 211 ms 179 ms be3183.ccr31.par04.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.38.66]
11 428 ms 307 ms 367 ms be100-171.th2-1-a9.fr.eu [37.187.36.38]
12 322 ms 299 ms 412 ms be102.gra-g2-nc5.fr.eu [213.186.32.214]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 282 ms 279 ms 280 ms be50-7.gra-3b-a9.fr.eu [37.187.231.92]
15 278 ms 279 ms 278 ms ns373881.ip-5-196-92.eu [5.196.92.23]
@usmanghazanfar getting this ping on eu servers while i should be getting close to 160ms. I am on 39.50.xx.xx ip, im hoping you can do something about this
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Unfortunately he wasn't very useful in my case, lets see if he can help you out lol.
 
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    Started Dead Island 2, and i find it pretty lame. The story is shit. The characters are either cringe or bland (all 6 of them), The gameplay isn't fun. Even the goddamn zombies don't behave like proper zombies. They're all fast & intelligent unlike how zombies are supposed to be like. Any fan of "zombie" genre cannot possibly like this shitfest of a game. Dying Light 2 was million times better than this shit.
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  • NaNoW NaNoW:
    so Baldurs Gate 3 is pretty great!"
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  • faraany3k faraany3k:
    So who here is waiting for Senua Hellblade 2. Prequel was a true mind fuck experience.
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  • GloriousChicken GloriousChicken:
    Sad indeed
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  • NaNoW NaNoW:
    what a sad day
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  • faraany3k faraany3k:
    Necrokiller said:
    MS one upping Sony in catching the biggest L in gaming
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    tbh gaming industry as a whole is failing much like tech industry. They have buckled down too much to Corporate suites then relying on passionate and innovative people. A corporate only believes in financial growth and shareholders.
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    MS one upping Sony in catching the biggest L in gaming
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787835350745842153
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  • NaNoW NaNoW:
    oh
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    iampasha iampasha: Phil keeps talking about breaking barriers to gaming, making it accessible on all platforms yada...
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