Azadi march lookout thread - PTI calls off dharna
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Well I did say Hopefully next time you mouth your mouth, something appropriately intelligent comes out.
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[MENTION=59795]staticPointer[/MENTION] ! You are prolonging a useless debate. You are asked to have an opinion "after becoming aware of circumstances". Thank You.
Your next post will be intelligent, because otherwise it won't be there.
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Your next post will be intelligent, because otherwise it won't be there.
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The dull-witted decisions made by imran khan and his party has been a setback for this whole movement, azadi march and inqilaab march combined. Especially the mismanagement by the the PTI in this Azadi March has led its supporters to question the credibility and capability of Imran Khan as a Prime Minister of a country. I mean managing a long March is one thing at which he seems to failing, but managing the whole country and running its system is just another story at which he would definitely fail again if he continues to respond to situations like he has done in Azadi March.
Tahir ul Qadri on the other hand, whom everyone underestimated, and whose inqilaab march is currently being shrouded by the mockery of the Azadi March in electronic and social media, is actually hitting each nail in the right spot. From the beginning of this whole March thing, this guy has remained so disciplined, not even a single time he has lost control of its people, lost control of his words, lost control of his decisions or has gone back on his words. Everything on the PAT's platform is so well-managed and on-time. On contrary to what Imran Khan wants (which obviously became his personal vandetta after he said to Badami of ARY "AGAR...Nawaz Sharif resign de aur Chaudary Nisar ajaye tau baat ho skti hai.."like...WTF! Imran?) TUQ is 100% clear on his demands. He has clear evidences, he wants the justice to be served against the murder of 14 people by putting Sharif along with other 18 or 19 people in Jail. It has been 63 days now, and the government won't even let them to register their FIR, even when the Lahor High Court said to do so.
It is sad to see that people posting here and supporting the PML-n blindly don't even understand that this is the chance to do things right. People think that these protests will destroy the democracy in this state which is not the truth. This is actually a chance to cleanse the system. This is a chance to make law and justice served equally to the rich and poor of this country. You should not forget that out of those 14 people brutally murdered in the streets could have been your blood relatives too. Or this could happen to any of us here. What would we do? how would we feel? if some feudal Lord's son murders our brother or son and we won't even be able to register a FIR against the murderers.
The current Democracy in Pakistan is an offspring of what is being currently implemented in Britain. One should know that it took almost 200 years for democracy to become what it is in Britain, after years and years of amendments depending upon their culture and traditions and their requirements. And... and Pakistan is only 67 years old for God's sake! How could one believe that 67 Years are enough to mend this democracy entirely according to our culture, traditions etc.. not to forget the traditions and cultures in pakistan are far more diverse than they are in Britain. Long story short, this democracy is alien to us for now. It needs to be amended at all costs otherwise the next generations will suffer and remain oppressed by current ruling families.
Imran Khan had the chance of his life and he made a lot of wrong decisions and he is losing it. For Dr. Tahir we still have hopes. I pray that the system changes, I pray that the rich and poor in this country become equal, unbiased of their caste or creed in the courts of Pakistan.
Hope still remains.
Tahir ul Qadri on the other hand, whom everyone underestimated, and whose inqilaab march is currently being shrouded by the mockery of the Azadi March in electronic and social media, is actually hitting each nail in the right spot. From the beginning of this whole March thing, this guy has remained so disciplined, not even a single time he has lost control of its people, lost control of his words, lost control of his decisions or has gone back on his words. Everything on the PAT's platform is so well-managed and on-time. On contrary to what Imran Khan wants (which obviously became his personal vandetta after he said to Badami of ARY "AGAR...Nawaz Sharif resign de aur Chaudary Nisar ajaye tau baat ho skti hai.."like...WTF! Imran?) TUQ is 100% clear on his demands. He has clear evidences, he wants the justice to be served against the murder of 14 people by putting Sharif along with other 18 or 19 people in Jail. It has been 63 days now, and the government won't even let them to register their FIR, even when the Lahor High Court said to do so.
It is sad to see that people posting here and supporting the PML-n blindly don't even understand that this is the chance to do things right. People think that these protests will destroy the democracy in this state which is not the truth. This is actually a chance to cleanse the system. This is a chance to make law and justice served equally to the rich and poor of this country. You should not forget that out of those 14 people brutally murdered in the streets could have been your blood relatives too. Or this could happen to any of us here. What would we do? how would we feel? if some feudal Lord's son murders our brother or son and we won't even be able to register a FIR against the murderers.
The current Democracy in Pakistan is an offspring of what is being currently implemented in Britain. One should know that it took almost 200 years for democracy to become what it is in Britain, after years and years of amendments depending upon their culture and traditions and their requirements. And... and Pakistan is only 67 years old for God's sake! How could one believe that 67 Years are enough to mend this democracy entirely according to our culture, traditions etc.. not to forget the traditions and cultures in pakistan are far more diverse than they are in Britain. Long story short, this democracy is alien to us for now. It needs to be amended at all costs otherwise the next generations will suffer and remain oppressed by current ruling families.
Imran Khan had the chance of his life and he made a lot of wrong decisions and he is losing it. For Dr. Tahir we still have hopes. I pray that the system changes, I pray that the rich and poor in this country become equal, unbiased of their caste or creed in the courts of Pakistan.
Hope still remains.
Yes youre correct.
And i just want to clear one thing (i know you talked about managing the people etc) but do you also support Qadri's demands about national system? I am not talking about the model town incident and yes he has every right to demand justice. But do you support his other demands relating to govt aswell?
And i support what Imran khan is saying. It can only be good for the country but i dont support his actions of how he is planning to acheive that. I feel, he shouldve tried to gather all the parties and THEN have a sit-in in parliment with demands NOT FOR THE ganja to retire but rather, pressurize the govt to make electoral reforms and present bills for transparent elections
Martial law shouldn't be anyone's agenda. The country cannot afford a martial law. But from reports, NS has chosen martial law over stepping down.
Although according to latest reports Army has guaranteed no martial law if NS shares some space with the army regarding certain policies.
Although according to latest reports Army has guaranteed no martial law if NS shares some space with the army regarding certain policies.
It is not important whether I support Qadri's demands or not. What matters is that are Qadri's demands achievable or not? are those demands in the interest of the people of this country or not? And the answer is YES, those demands are certainly achievable and in the interest of the people. You know the sad part is that people don't even realize what Qadri wants here... People, especially the supporters of PML-N believe that Qadri wants the whole system to be derailed.. and/or he wants to bring down the democracy to ground. That is completely wrong. That is not what he wants. That is not what Imran khan wants either.
I was listening to Tahir ul Qadri speaking to ARY and he said that he there are three ways in his mind currently, to cleanse this system, to bring the amendments and one of them could be referendum. Now a person with common sense would immediately understand if one of the way is referendum then the other two ways must be quite near to this one. This means that the man does NOT want to derail the system. He only wants to bring the necessary amendments which condones the mindset of the people of this region.
Regarding your question about Imran Khan to gather the opposition and ask for electoral reforms and transparent election bills. Well the oppostion simply won't do it. Why? because assembly members from PPP MQM and Maulana Diesal's party might also have been involved in the rigging. and If not rigging these people have been involved in far more treacherous crimes against the people of this country and the country itself. If they support Imran then they must accept the demands of QADRI as well because Imran's party would do so. The opposition simply won't let this happen. The opposition like PPP, MQM etc would never support this movement.
It is high time for Imran Khan to come to the negotiating table. His position is as strong now as it will ever be. Better use it to push for electoral reforms and new elections next year. His fixation with Nawaz Sharif's resignation is hurting his own credibility. No one can sustain a sit in indefinitely and the people cannot leave their homes and jobs and sit in the dharna for much longer. Even if he is able to force NS to resign (which is unlikely), that won't be good for his own reputation and legitimacy as a leader. People are already calling what is happening in Islamabad a soft coup.
Nobody is going to march into buildings. If they do that would be stupid and I will condemn it myself.
But sit ins are part of democracy and a legit tactic. Nawaz wants to run country like badshah and people should not allow it. This sit in and procession is not going to be the last one.
And undermining peaceful people as canadian padri is noora tactic.
Quaideazam came from UK and mullahs use to tell him he was british agent. This is noora modus oprendi too. They personally attack other leaders like benazir and others in the past.
First of all, please don't compare qadri to Quaid-e-Azam
Don't think Jinnah ever talked to dead people :tv:Secondly, yes, sit-ins are totally fine. But have you head the speeches Imran Khan makes to his 'joshila' followers? You don't think he's attempting to incite a riot?
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