Understanding the dynamics of Karachi

[Leon]

Btw it might sound odd but no i really hate when they came with the KKF foundation parchi at my home and asked for 100 rs for each person at my home, Did not come this ramadan cuz of rangers though :tv: and also when they take the "Khaal" away every bakra eid. I'd better give these to more deserving poor people but i cannot raise my voice or you know.

 

[shahzadfootball]

Bro skycrappers or modern infrastructure are the progress indicators only used by N-league. Since you are also from Karachi (guessed from your post), do you also think MQM works in the best interest of Karachi and is the savior of Urdu speaking people? Or the supporters are wrongly supporting them?

So you would want Karachi to stay as it is for the next 20 years or so ? Sky scrappers and/or modern infrastructure are the progress indicators for ANY city . I was one of those people who used to make fun of Metro but then I saw how it looks and the benefits it provides to people and trust me it is nothing but beneficial .I don't want to get off topic onto the fact that creating separate lane for it is not efficient per se but I just want to say that MQM hasn't done anything to properly benefit people .Sure there are Qingqi which have helped me a lot to get to school and at places but qingqi,they aren't exactly a looker ,are they ?

As for you're second part of the question,I cannot honestly comment on that because I am too young in the sense that I haven't come across any MQM politicians to have a say whether or not they have worked in the savior of Urdu speaking people . The supporters support them because they haven't thought about the change that could be brought to this city.Trust me,the city has great potential ! But MQM isn't exactly making anything out of it.

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MQM wins because they still have a huge following in mahajirs. There is nothing "educated" about the people following them, though. But yeah, MQM has expert orators. Sophistry and rhetoric has seldom seen such a high as MQM has given it.

Correct me if I"m wrong but are you saying this from what you see on the Media ? Or Have you seen it for yourself as well ?

 

[Kane]

And dont forget what happens to hard working people like Mustafa Kamaal(someone who really did something for Karachi) and Dr. Imran Farooq...

 

[NaNoW]

I just want to say that MQM hasn't done anything to properly benefit people .Sure there are Qingqi which have helped me a lot to get to school and at places but qingqi,they aren't exactly a looker ,are they ?

As for you're second part of the question,I cannot honestly comment on that because I am too young in the sense that I haven't come across any MQM politicians to have a say whether or not they have worked in the savior of Urdu speaking people . The supporters support them because they haven't thought about the change that could be brought to this city.Trust me,the city has great potential ! But MQM isn't exactly making anything out of it.

This is not entirely true-

In Musharraf era, Mustafa Kamal made alot of improvements to infrastructure, I think each and every street in karachi was repaved, while new bridges all over the city popped up. Credit should be given, where its due.

It will be easier for me to explain by breaking down MQM in 2 segments : 1) Militant (Bhatta lena, Khaal lena, providing shelter to goons and criminals)..2) Political Leadership i.e most of Rabbita Committee .

1) Militant : When you hear about "Karachi Ke halat " , you need to understand that there needs to be atlea​st two forces to create friction. So saying MQM is sole responsible is wronge, as I explained in my post that MQM only has political stronghold in 35-40% Karachi, which means the rest of Khi is divided into groups. All political parties in Karachi, including MQM has militant presence. So trying to eliminate one militant force means you are creating a vacuum for other militant organisations to take its place. In my opinion Army/Rangers need to eliminate each and every militant force. Also to note is that this militant thing was further fueled when the operation in 1992 took place, where later army and govt. both apologized to MQM for murders of supporters.

2)Political : While no logical person would support a militant winged organisation, its their leadership or what you hear "Rabita committee" that people support. While in uneducated masses the appeal of Altaf Hussain might be something, other middle class households dont pay that much heed to him. One look at their leadership shows that its a well educated organisation. Made up of middle class doctors, engineers and management people. Anyone who has heard AH speak knows that he is a man-child who is completely unfit to rule the party or understand complicated political decisions. Altaf hussain doesn't have say in the manifesto MQM makes, its not his job. His job is to be the face, he has nothing to do with the brain behind the organisation. MQM needs to get rid of altaf hussain asap, which it cant, casue point 1)

Karachi can only flourish if police becomes competent, Karachi gets it due funding, afghan refugees problem is taken care off and local municipalities are given more power and control.

All of this is just simply my observation.

 

[Benighted]

Correct me if I"m wrong but are you saying this from what you see on the Media ? Or Have you seen it for yourself as well ?

The first two sentences, I have seen for myself. And as for the third, media is the platform of all oratory. Where else would you look for it?

 

[cobby]

I don't know if it's misconception or truth ,
majority of urdu speaking fear that if mqm will end they will get persecuted to in terms of not getting govt jobs , or having other rights , people living in pakistan before partition became jealous of muhajirs when they came to pakistan , cause it was these urdu speaking majority that was well educated and hold majority of govt jobs , even when ayub khan brought phatans from other areas those phatans were brought as labours and low skilled jobs , these phatans saw bhaya loogh as they call them , having all the riches while they constructed homes and drove buses and taxis , while punjabis have always dominated whole pakistan they have never tried to adopt petty crimes like target killing or extortion (although it has changed now) , different ethnic people brought in karachi created rift between muhajirs and Sindhis , phatans etc , we as nation has always being played with muhajir card , phatans card , Sindhi card , punjabi card , balochi card .

Always these parties have exploited those who suffered with injustice and uneducated with these cards , muhajir always being told that Sindhi will take your jobs , phatans will rape your girls , Anp always preached phatans k Tm loogh hamesha rickshaw taxi chalao ge agar mqm rahe hakoomat me , ppp always talked about how backward Sindh is and how luxuriouy people in Punjab and karachi are enjoying , pml n used punjabi card when ppp was there with jaag punjabi jaag .

The origins of these parties has always been using ethnicity card now they talk about whole pakistan , but that will only change later cause majority have grown in 70-80's have been influenced with these ethnicity cards .

i found pti only party whose origin didn't started with one ethnicity or religious card , while how shady there ambitions are is another thing .

 

[Ottoman]

I understand the vote bank of PPP mainly comprise of people not so educated and they win their seats from interior Sindh where Bhutto is considered a saint. But Karachi on the other hand has educated people and the demographic composition hints and lower middle to higher middle class families. If their way is wrong, why would they vote for him and let them stay in power?

MQM receives the ethnic vote, pure and simple. People who claim otherwise are kidding themselves. Their so-called "politics" operates by using the world's oldest trick; create a common enemy to unite the masses. Imbue enough fear and hatred whilst propagating your image as the people's only saviour.

If anything, MQM is only holding back Karachi's potential. They are, by far, the biggest bully in the playground. While I'm happy there's some element of an action against them, but at the same time I'm uncomfortable with the notion that they're the only group being targeted. This strategy could back-fire and only end up strengthening their support.

 

[StrikerX]

If anything, MQM is only holding back Karachi's potential. They are, by far, the biggest bully in the playground. While I'm happy there's some element of an action against them, but at the same time I'm uncomfortable with the notion that they're the only group being targeted. This strategy could back-fire and only end up strengthening their support.

Tbf PAC/Lyari was targeted before rangers attempted anything on MQM and they're pretty much wiped. The only difference I see is MQM coming on media and crying 'bloody murder' and then saying hamara media traaaaayeeelll. MQM does spin things well, compare their people who come on TV shows and people from other parties. They will always find a single point and then start scratching it endlessly.



Now that doesn't mean other stakeholders (PPP/ANP/JI/rel. outfits) in Karachi are doodh kay dhullay huay, they have their own goons as well (just like MQM) but just an example ANP par danda aya, look whose line they're toeing now.


Anyways, this op. in KHI should continue but now I want to see convictions from courts as well and for Gods sake these idiots in parliament need to revamp the evidence laws.

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[namsu99]

This is not entirely true-

In Musharraf era, Mustafa Kamal made alot of improvements to infrastructure, I think each and every street in karachi was repaved, while new bridges all over the city popped up. Credit should be given, where its due.

It will be easier for me to explain by breaking down MQM in 2 segments : 1) Militant (Bhatta lena, Khaal lena, providing shelter to goons and criminals)..2) Political Leadership i.e most of Rabbita Committee .

1) Militant : When you hear about "Karachi Ke halat " , you need to understand that there needs to be atlea​st two forces to create friction. So saying MQM is sole responsible is wronge, as I explained in my post that MQM only has political stronghold in 35-40% Karachi, which means the rest of Khi is divided into groups. All political parties in Karachi, including MQM has militant presence. So trying to eliminate one militant force means you are creating a vacuum for other militant organisations to take its place. In my opinion Army/Rangers need to eliminate each and every militant force. Also to note is that this militant thing was further fueled when the operation in 1992 took place, where later army and govt. both apologized to MQM for murders of supporters.

2)Political : While no logical person would support a militant winged organisation, its their leadership or what you hear "Rabita committee" that people support. While in uneducated masses the appeal of Altaf Hussain might be something, other middle class households dont pay that much heed to him. One look at their leadership shows that its a well educated organisation. Made up of middle class doctors, engineers and management people. Anyone who has heard AH speak knows that he is a man-child who is completely unfit to rule the party or understand complicated political decisions. Altaf hussain doesn't have say in the manifesto MQM makes, its not his job. His job is to be the face, he has nothing to do with the brain behind the organisation. MQM needs to get rid of altaf hussain asap, which it cant, casue point 1)

Karachi can only flourish if police becomes competent, Karachi gets it due funding, afghan refugees problem is taken care off and local municipalities are given more power and control.

All of this is just simply my observation.

Seconded.
Having lived in Karachi my whole life, this much is pretty obvious.

Unfortunately, of the two wings, the militant segment has become more powerful recently. It's power comes from an insane amount of 'gunday and badmash' joining it's ranks. It's them who keep the idea of the muhajirs being under attack.

Also, this segment is not only limited to the streets. There are completely uneducated people in almost all MQM held offices and government departments, who's job is nothing more than facilitating their 'bhais'. Thats their way of making sure the government officers working in their respective departments are easily able to gobble up as much cash as possible. They serve as a means of blackmailing others in the same office.

The political wing is losing its power just as the militant wing is gaining it. The few capable politicians MQM has in its ranks are trapped themselves.

Even though Altaf Hussain is supposed to be a just a figurehead, he has the support of the militant wing. He let's them do what they want and they in turn provide him with a steady supply of cash as well as eliminating his rivals. And because of this, it's not easy for the party to get rid of him. Even now there are factions and divides within the body which are only held in check cause of Hussain and his physical power. Once he goes, the party will either breakup or will completely reinvent itself into a completely different body.

 

[LeGenD123]

MQM

1. Known for:

• Extortion
• Bullying others
• Murder
• Corruption

2. Led by a person who lives in UK and doesn't knows how to control his tongue.

3. Conducts politics of division (represents only Urdu speaking sect)

Holistically, this political party is as bad as PPPP. In short, PPPP and MQM are like two sides of the same coin. People, living in Sindh, keep on voting these two and then wonder why this province have become a hub of terrorism.

I apologize if my comments offend anybody, but I will point out the ground realities and not blindly adhere to 'politically correct' views.

I fully acknowledge efforts of good people in both of these political parties but don't expect these two to transform Sindh into a progressive state/province of the nation unless these political parties are taken over by leaders that are loyal to Pakistan and not committed to corruption.

 

[shahzadfootball]

This is not entirely true-

In Musharraf era, Mustafa Kamal made alot of improvements to infrastructure, I think each and every street in karachi was repaved, while new bridges all over the city popped up. Credit should be given, where its due.

Agreed,everyone can see the contributions made by Mustafa Kamal and credit should be given however my stance was that MQM didn't change Karachi on the whole in terms of long term planning as in no civil planning of the city.You live in Germany and you can list so many differences.I lived in Beijing for 8 years and it was total crap when I went there but when I left a year ago,it totally evolved and it is such a beautiful city now.8 years,that's all it took them and MQM have been in Karachi for more than 2 decades .

I see a lot of flyovers in Karachi and signal free zone and what not but they are not properly planned .If you take the bridge over to the Niipa or many other fly overs at night,you will find that hardly any lights are illuminating the road while there are no white lines to establish the lanes.That is something that bothers me that these projects gets so heavily funded and yet it seems as if money is not "Properly" spent on it .

 

[genious]

With all the traits you mentioned above, why would it be necessary to keep an evil in the economic hub of the country? N-League though in power but doesn't seem to have a clear stance on Karachi.

N league dont give a shit about karachi because they dont have any stake in it.Karachi is ruled by MQM and PPP and others.and MQM got its boot in the ground and no one can wipeout an already established party so easily they got a VOTEBANK in KARACHI THATS TRUE.So even establishment can see its not wise to wipeout MQM instead they choose to clean it and replace Bhai and put someone from karachi as its leader.

 

[StrikerX]

Clean yes, don't think anyone wants MQM gone. Need to de-weaponize Khi first and foremost.

Spoiler: show

that won't stop them from putting people in meat grinders/qeema machines though :crazy: tis true

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[Pleasant]

Btw In my recent visit to karachi i found it to be much secure and safe then before

 

[Lord AvaLon]

Thank you everyone for your valuable opinions.
What I could gather from the posts above is;
1. Nobody is oblivious of the fact that MQM has been involved in malicious activities including murders, extortion and disturbing the peace of Karachi.
2. Though their existence may not be potentially favorable to the country but Urdu speakers consider them their saviors.
3. No matter what allegation is levied against MQM, people will continue to vote for them and they will remain in power.
4. The operations which is being conducted in Karachi is targeted against MQM and not any other party which may tip the balance of power among parties which have militant wings.
5. If Altaf Hussain did not have the reign of party, establishment would not be targeting him; thus endorsing that he is leading the party.
6. The people sincere to the manifesto of party and its agenda are not in power but the true power and authority emanates from the sector in charges and militant wings which are necessary for the party.
7. In the short term, though establishment may succeed to steer Karachi clear of such elements to maintain peace but this method will not be successful in the long run.
Please correct me if my observations are wrong.