Syria in crisis

[fahd]

Dajjal will be only come when Israel becomes the ruling state of the World as Dajjal will control the world from jerusalam.

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[maxold90]

it is shaitan's and his follower's doings... do you know that the religious books of jews talk about dajjal as their savior? and that is why they prepare this world with "confusion"... that is what they call "fitna" and that is the tool of dajjal... and that is what they have been trying to spread for more than a thousand years... and they KNOW FOR A FACT that only muslims will stand in their way and that is why they seed traitors among us who pose as leaders and scholars to spread "half truths"... a religion that asks you to be so good that a non muslims would say "agar umatee aisa to nabee kaisa?" ... do you think that religion wants "anger" and "hatred" or sectarianism? you know the answer and that is "no"... just recongize what is going on and try to overcome it by fighting against zulm or isolate yourself from fitna... sectarianism is fitna and the worst one is dajjal of whom even noah warned about... it is never too late and we should embrace islam fully rather than gpus and haswell processors

who is arguing about the faith and all , but matter of fact is that karbala happen in 680 where there is not the fault of any gora but its general consequences of ideology between two groups of muslims and where is all the people are there when dictatorship of syria is killing there own people (chemical weapons or not) . As far as embracing Islam , the first thing we need to do is to fight against our inner evil then our outer evil where we go opposite to it we are not reforming our self where blaming others about there wrong and why did every one forget that at the time when prophet migrate from mecca there is Christine community who give them place to stay . So all in all humanity is what Islam teaches , if syrian army is killing there people then its Islamic community duty to intervene and stop that bloodshed and if they fail to do so then they had no right to stop west from doing so (though west had there own interest in this but still) .

 

[upsetkillerNJB]

Just one problem: Pakistan's missile technology isn't that advanced. The furthest our missiles can go is 4000km I think, which isn't even enough to reach Europe, let alone the UK.

aaa nope bro , we stole French missile tech at the start and it has been developed to great lengths , its pretty much stronger than indias , something their media was stressing about for several months . and the list below is just the tip of the ice berg , just what the ARMY DECIDED TO DISCLOSE , GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE IS THERE

Surface-to-surface missiles

Battlefield range ballistic missiles (BRBM)

• Hatf-I/IA
• Abdali-I
• Nasr (Hatf-IX)

Short range ballistic missiles (SRBM)

• Ghaznavi
• Abdali-II

Medium range ballistic missiles (MRBM)

• Ghauri I
• Shaheen I
• Ghauri II
• Shaheen II

Intermediate range ballistic missiles (IRBM)

• Ghauri-III (Cancelled)
• Shaheen-III *

Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM)Taimur 7,000 km
Cruise missiles

• Babur (Hatf VII) - ground-launched cruise missile (submarine-launched version under development)
• Hatf-VIII (Ra'ad) - Air-launched Cruise Missile developed exclusively for launch from Aerial Platforms.

Anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM)

• Baktar-Shikan

Air-to-surface missiles

• H-4 SOW - rocket-boosted, precision-guided glide bomb
• Ra'ad (Hatf VIII) - air-launched cruise missile

Surface-to-air missiles


Anza Mk.1
Anza Mk.2
Anza Mk.3


And Pakistani super sonic stealth air craft made with china is above f16 level , and it can carry all those missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder#Variants

In May 2011, China offered 50 JF-17s to Pakistan on an urgent basis at no cost.

the 4.5gen version is already in production

Oh and did i mention we have over a dozen different unmanned aircrafts ? , one being
[h=1]GIDS Shahpar currently being made and improved[/h]

 

[GloriousChicken]

aaa nope bro , we stole French missile tech at the start and it has been developed to great lengths , its pretty much stronger than indias , something their media was stressing about for several months . and the list below is just the tip of the ice berg , just what the ARMY DECIDED TO DISCLOSE , GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE IS THERE

Surface-to-surface missiles

Battlefield range ballistic missiles (BRBM)

• Hatf-I/IA
• Abdali-I
• Nasr (Hatf-IX)

Short range ballistic missiles (SRBM)

• Ghaznavi
• Abdali-II

Medium range ballistic missiles (MRBM)

• Ghauri I
• Shaheen I
• Ghauri II
• Shaheen II

Intermediate range ballistic missiles (IRBM)

• Ghauri-III (Cancelled)
• Shaheen-III *

Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM)Taimur 7,000 km
Cruise missiles

• Babur (Hatf VII) - ground-launched cruise missile (submarine-launched version under development)
• Hatf-VIII (Ra'ad) - Air-launched Cruise Missile developed exclusively for launch from Aerial Platforms.

Anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM)

• Baktar-Shikan

Air-to-surface missiles

• H-4 SOW - rocket-boosted, precision-guided glide bomb
• Ra'ad (Hatf VIII) - air-launched cruise missile

Surface-to-air missiles


Anza Mk.1
Anza Mk.2
Anza Mk.3


And Pakistani super sonic stealth air craft made with china is above f16 level , and it can carry all those missiles

CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In May 2011, China offered 50 JF-17s to Pakistan on an urgent basis at no cost.

the 4.5gen version is already in production

Oh and did i mention we have over a dozen different unmanned aircrafts ? , one being
GIDS Shahpar currently being made and improved

LOL Sounds like pakistani version of Area 51 secrets xD

 

[upsetkillerNJB]

every country has em , MashAllah we are not something usa can come and capture , our pak army got several awards and were winners of the last contest in Britain for strategy and patrolling

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

Just one problem: Pakistan's missile technology isn't that advanced. The furthest our missiles can go is 4000km I think, which isn't even enough to reach Europe, let alone the UK.

tipu 1 and tipu2 will range upto 7500km and it is just not about range... accuracy is also a thing and given that half of the indian missiles fail at launch, we are far far ahead

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

@HAMMER of THOR You're not a Zaid Hamid follower, are you?

i do see what he says and what he says is true but i think he is too aggressive(i am too tonight though, as i was just in an argument with people on points of their version of "freedom" against ours)... their are questions about his faith and as the prophet saw said that the scholars of this time would be worse than anyone then i am sure they are all propagandas but where there is fitna, one should stay away...no sir i just am just worried about the future and my role in it.. and if there are wars where it is against zulm i don't want to be someone who is left behind...

 

[Lord AvaLon]

our prophet saw predicted a war on the banks of river Euphrates(furat) about a gold mountain(same river that goes through this area as syria/iraq etc)... and he said not to take part in it as 99% will die and the survivor will think that he is the only one alive... this has to be that war(mountain of cash/gold/gas pipeline)... it is russia who will attack after u.s intervention and muslims will join forces with the u.s forces to destroy russians where they will cut the red blondes(russians) like vegetables... these prediction are so many and hard to interpret in this modern world but one thing is for sure... the end battles are here and the way it is going i expect to see dajjal within the next decade...

Dear Bro,
I hope you read all those books that you shared in the previous pages, partly because it is absolutely necessary to assess the facts prior to the need of having it shared on a massive level and partly owing to your analysis of the situation which you seem so adamant to prove.
Much was I delighted to read the stuff but the contradiction in your statements and the material is too obvious to ignore and I would therefore request you to either re-read what you shared or don't go astray painting an entirely different point of view. If i may refer you to the footnotes, you will see that the predictions, some of which have already been quoted to many times; be them written or graphical material do not qualify as authentic. In addition, most of the references made have been removed which I only guess might be owing to the similar reasons.
Secondly they hail the very same TTP which you referred to as agents as the savior of Islam and "the true muslims".
Thirdly, if you kindly explain your rhetoric of "mountain of gas pipeline" emerging from the river of Euphrates, you will be doing us all a favor by the same enlightenment which augmented your feelings to let the ignorant gauge the urgency of the matters at hand.
Fourthly, it must be given due consideration that Syria in the predictions is area encompassing just not the country in equation but Palestine and Yemen as well. And the war as per the author's view, has already been started along with the true Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda) invading the territory of Floja with black flags.
Moreover, with the end of war you refer to will be the time Dajjal will appear, which is not happening until and unless Hazrat Mehdi comes into the picture.
Not going into further details to avoid this arduous task. But allow me to say that being overly utopian may not harm, but losing entirely the ability to see in the right direction would of course hurt.

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

Dajjal will be only come when Israel becomes the ruling state of the World as Dajjal will control the world from jerusalam.

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Well Allah knows absoltely what will happen... but it goes like this... the war around furat river will happen(looks like the syria fiasco)... after this mehdi would come and only 313 people will accept him as the leader(the same amount as that of badr)... people will not accept him at first but after the muslim armies attacking him will be devoured in an earth quake people will come to know the truth... he will unite us muslims and raise a huge battle at about 6-7 fronts at the same time(pakistan india war will be in it too) and his headquarters will be syria at that time... after we annhilate israel and india he will rule for 7-9 years of incredible peace and glory for the muslims and he will rule from jerusalem.. dajjal will be in hiding and would actually be waiting for his followers(u.s/israel/india) etc to win against us but he won't be able to bear the loss and then he would come out of hiding from some caves he would be in and united a lot of jews and what not to fight against muslims... due to his incredible fitna he will acheive a lot of victory, so much so that he will rule everything and only "true" emaan would be left in medina only... i don't really know how it will happen next but as far as i know that esa will come after that and reunite the muslims... dajjal is a fitna against which us normal muslims cannot fight at all... we can only run and hide like the only genuine muslims will do... jesus christ will come and defeat him but i don't know how long that will be after dajjal comes and what not... dajjal's immense power will all be a farce and technology based... he will confuse people so badly that they will see their dead parents and what not... i don't know how bad it will be... it is still all speculation really as they are predictions in the words of old... we do not know what is what properly untill in happens... just do whatever you can to save your faith as that is all we have that matters...

 

[Lord AvaLon]

Obama says US should strike Syria, will seek congressional vote | WORLD - geo.tv



woow...just mind blowing.....

I admire their courage. They are yet to make a graceful exit from Afghanistan due to the raising antiwar sentiments and now talking about another invasion...

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

Dear Bro,
I hope you read all those books that you shared in the previous pages, partly because it is absolutely necessary to assess the facts prior to the need of having it shared on a massive level and partly owing to your analysis of the situation which you seem so adamant to prove.
Much was I delighted to read the stuff but the contradiction in your statements and the material is too obvious to ignore and I would therefore request you to either re-read what you shared or don't go astray painting an entirely different point of view. If i may refer you to the footnotes, you will see that the predictions, some of which have already been quoted to many times; be them written or graphical material do not qualify as authentic. In addition, most of the references made have been removed which I only guess might be owing to the similar reasons.
Secondly they hail the very same TTP which you referred to as agents as the savior of Islam and "the true muslims".
Thirdly, if you kindly explain your rhetoric of "mountain of gas pipeline" emerging from the river of Euphrates, you will be doing us all a favor by the same enlightenment which augmented your feelings to let the ignorant gauge the urgency of the matters at hand.
Fourthly, it must be given due consideration that Syria in the predictions is area encompassing just not the country in equation but Palestine and Yemen as well. And the war as per the author's view, has already been started along with the true Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda) invading the territory of Floja with black flags.
Moreover, with the end of war you refer to will be the time Dajjal will appear, which is not happening until and unless Hazrat Mehdi comes into the picture.
Not going into further details to avoid this arduous task. But allow me to say that being overly utopian may not harm, but losing entirely the ability to see in the right direction would of course hurt.

yaar the thing is that i type too quickly and lose sight of what i have written... sad fact... anyhow let me try and be more coherrent...

TTP and alqaeda are not the saviors of anyone... they were created by our enemies in the first place... the muslims world is a confusion right now and no one is in the right as they are fighting against themselves all the time. TTP is only a sect of so called mujahideen which happen in pakistan and in my view they kill muslims so are in the wrong... and the only hadees i can find that fits them is of "kharjees" who kill muslims by applying things that apply on kafirs and will spare kafirs and would be young and stupid and what not...i could be wrong but that is what i mean by the "confusions" of the times... so either completely isolate yourself from these things and pray to ALLAH like one should or fight against the injustice on kafirs on you(the only thing remotely nowadays for pakistanis might be to fight with afghan freedom fighters against u.s forces or against indian forces in kashmire etc)... those are the only 2 options to protect your faith...

I AM NOT AN EXPERT and the information is too much to put down coherently by someone like me who is you would hardly call a religious person let alone an expert. Now about the river of furat... well if the war starts then you know that it will escalate as russia is also up to fight and also iran and what not. And it will spill on to every country around this river easily and much much more. Now i have heard to predictions... one that the fight would be so deadly that 99% will die and we should not participate(people with black flags are the arab mujahideen currently fighting in syria and will only be the good people with black flags, whom we must help, when mehdi comes as right now they are misguided paid goons of qatar and s.a). This battle is to fought over a mountain of gold so the current wars and deaths for more than a century have been on the fossil fuel and with equates money/gold... i have no doubt that the gold mountains are these pipelines but ALLAH knows the actual truth as no one knows the future other than Him and we can only speculate on the things He hinted us with through our prophet saw. I don't really know who is gonna fight against who in this war.. and i am hearing that red blondes will be badly defeated in this war and that is russians(i am just hearing this but i don't know the proper source)... if that is true then russia will attack after u.s takes down the assad regime and the black flag fighters will unite with u.s to fight against the invading russians who want their own pipeline... there is just no doubt that the mountain of gold is the european pipelines... israel already has a pipeline so if nothing is built, it will develope a monopoly and that is its interest... I don't know who is gonna fight against who in this battle for sure... but mehdi should come after this war to unite the muslims after utter devastations... and a war happens on many fronts including india pakistan(though our war might start before that and read shah walli ullah's prediction on that, all of which have come true, it is in the last pdf)..

according to shah walli ullah(as far as i could understand and consider this para as incoherent) we will fight with india in some muharram(it is about to come for this year) and the river of attock will run red with blood 3 times(that means india will gain ground in our country)... i don't uderstand it fully but there is a mention of a pashtun army which will rise with the help from west(mujahideen to come to help us maybe) and this army would be so "khaufnak" that the earth will tremble or something(i am guessing just a huge amount which means help sent from mehdi or whatever)... basically there is no escape for muslims.. they have to fight... the utopian suggestion is when the true fitna arrives(dajjal)... it is all incoherent for me as to what will happen to our region and overall too... it is just too much to handle really and we just have to be ready and see how it comes... but the point is to be ready

dajjal will come much later after we achieve complete victory and mehdi rules for 7 great and prosperous years from jerusalum ... after that the worst fitna of all times will apear... this is the most coherrent picture in my mind but i don't know if this war will happen now or not as it could stop and start again a decade later... but if it goes on then i would think this is IT... who knows though other than ALLAH...i am hell bent to tell you as i am extremely worried right now myself... dajjal is a whole another story and before that many things are going to happen but dajjal should make an appearance in our lifetimes(and as it looks, about a decade later or even less, who knows).. i hope that i am more coherrent this time but don't take it all as true as it is my humble and stupid interpretation...

the task of discussing these things on forums indeed in arduous and i just sometimes assert things without trying to explain the reasons behind it, it makes me come off as blunt and arrogant... but in reality i am just damn lazy to explain each and everything... i have been talking all night about this topic on the internet and didn't realise that i missed isha prayer.. now you see the fitna of these times...

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

In 2011 there was an indian "priest" who wrote and article about war... he said that the "mohrat" is good for war with pakistan starting from 2007-2027 and if the opportunity is missed then we would have to wait for a 100 years more for a war. These are the people who do nothing at all without these pandits and their astronomy skills to predict good mohrat for everything... from starting a bussiness to weddings(you must have seen some indian movies)... and they have said that after we start the fight , a messiah will come and lead them, this messiah will come from the mountains of himalayas where he is waiting in a cave for them to wage the war. Jews also talk about a messiah who will be their savior, who is promised to them by moses's times or whatnot(dajjal baby, even our indian are waiting for him)... i have a picture of the article that explain this phenomenon of indian pandits... here it is

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

LOL Sounds like pakistani version of Area 51 secrets xD

haha... there is so much that it is funny... the indian media propaganda is so funny sometimes... they were mongering about a facility in khushab where they say we are developing a nuclear arsenal bigger than anyone besides u.s and russia... there are also claims of ball sized small tactical nuclear devices right now and the army has threatened that they will distribute it to everyone if pakistan is attacked(don't know if it is true or not but you can search google and you would find many sources claiming this)... we were the next target after afghanistan but america failed big time and now has left that duty to india.. there is a reason they never did it and there is a reason india just doesn't do it...

 

[Lord AvaLon]

^^^
Guess what, its all guesses.
Allow me to ask, did we not already have a war as explained in your text? By allaying with America to put an end to the atrocities of Russia committed in Afghanistan? Were the people not cheated by America invading the very land she liberated a couple of decades earlier? But guess what...
Anyways, Russia rather choose to walk out than vetoing the whole fiasco which can be called a silent agreement. I don't even find a remote reason for it to take such an aggressive stance against US.
For the guys talking about India Pakistan rift, you don't need to worry. Since we are much needed in the smooth transition of Afghanistan to a democratic regime in the post 2014 scenario and I know the government wont miss a chance to earn a nod of approval from super powers given the scenario created by our mighty brigades(ghairat brigade?) in the wake of proxy war and eventually increasing the trust deficit between Pakistan and America. India too needs a recognition of regional power if not global as envision by US to balance the power in South Asia. Times are high for both the countries and any chance of major military operation from any side is not really an option. Consider the fact that already 150,000 soldiers from LOC have been re-located to FATA and adjoining areas to fight the terrorism and India didn't play mischievously on that part of border. Luring the voters in the next election is the name of the game being played to show case the might of Indian army and it will stop as abruptly as it started.

 

[Lord AvaLon]

haha... there is so much that it is funny... the indian media propaganda is so funny sometimes... they were mongering about a facility in khushab where they say we are developing a nuclear arsenal bigger than anyone besides u.s and russia... there are also claims of ball sized small tactical nuclear devices right now and the army has threatened that they will distribute it to everyone if pakistan is attacked(don't know if it is true or not but you can search google and you would find many sources claiming this)... we were the next target after afghanistan but america failed big time and now has left that duty to india.. there is a reason they never did it and there is a reason india just doesn't do it...

Too early to reach a conclusion? How was America failed big time in Afghanistan?

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

Too early to reach a conclusion? How was America failed big time in Afghanistan?

bro one post at a time... i lose track... well do you think america is successful? they came and now they are pulling out... isi trapped them here just like they did to russia and now america has caught on to the game and cannot take it anymore and is quiting this hectic occupation... the afghan taliban are still there and are not even negotiating... i will call it a loss... why is karzai running to us for help? because he knows only isi can control them... america has failed...

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^^^
Guess what, its all guesses.
Allow me to ask, did we not already have a war as explained in your text? By allaying with America to put an end to the atrocities of Russia committed in Afghanistan? Were the people not cheated by America invading the very land she liberated a couple of decades earlier? But guess what...
Anyways, Russia rather choose to walk out than vetoing the whole fiasco which can be called a silent agreement. I don't even find a remote reason for it to take such an aggressive stance against US.
For the guys talking about India Pakistan rift, you don't need to worry. Since we are much needed in the smooth transition of Afghanistan to a democratic regime in the post 2014 scenario and I know the government wont miss a chance to earn a nod of approval from super powers given the scenario created by our mighty brigades(ghairat brigade?) in the wake of proxy war and eventually increasing the trust deficit between Pakistan and America. India too needs a recognition of regional power if not global as envision by US to balance the power in South Asia. Times are high for both the countries and any chance of major military operation from any side is not really an option. Consider the fact that already 150,000 soldiers from LOC have been re-located to FATA and adjoining areas to fight the terrorism and India didn't play mischievously on that part of border. Luring the voters in the next election is the name of the game being played to show case the might of Indian army and it will stop as abruptly as it started.

well the war in afghanistan in russia did not fully destroy russia although it came close and we just got money from america and nothing more than moral support, we fought it ourselves... and the war i am hearing about with red headed blondes(i repeat i have not seen any source and i am just hearing about it) says that these alqaida fighters will align with u.s(they already are even if they don't know it)... i have said many times that i know that this war will happen but i don't know who is against who even though i have heard this and this. And i say again, do not question me like i am an expert... do your own research and make up your own mind... according to india pakistan situation... america will leave india in charge and that will be something something anal for india if it does. They are indeed gearing for elections but do see the above urdu article which will clearly lead you to believe that india actually does want war(we don't care enough if they give us kashmir but india really wants to destroy us)... I just don't know how could india launch an attack on pakistan, simply because our tech is more devastating than their even though their "numbers" are bigger in everything, from range to army size and ammunition... An india pakistan war will only start when we are pulled into a war which is not ours e.g a world war that might start from the current fiasco in syria... people are thinking world war3 right now so if that starts then we and india can start too... and in this world war "shah walli ullah" predicted total leveling of "britain", which might mean that the next world war is nuclear and i am sure it would be

it is indeed guess work... who knows ALLAH's will... there were a select few who are shown some hints about the future to warn others like our prophet did and some holy sufis like shah wali ullah did... but you have to say that they were so accurate(for the things that have already happened)... there is just no coherrence about the time and as the language is old... a sword means a gun and gold can mean the current fossil fuel world domination of these dajjali ways... i am just worried and over "excited" at the same time... i want to join the fight and become a fighter in the way of ALLAH but then i think of trying to be a good humble person who should stay away from all the confusion.

 

[YanZZah]

On the subject of chemical weapons: US used chemicals in the war in Vietnam where they used Agent Orange and in the Iraq war where depleted uranium weapons were used. And of course the two weapons of mass destruction on Japan. If hypocrisy was an Olympic sport. America would win all gold medals in these war games.

 

[K3yser]

@ India/Pak tension: its totally because of Indian Elections in 2014. Nothing else.

@Chemical Weapons: whole discussion is moot anyways, just that this leads a whole new dimension to The Newsroom eps now :/

 

[Ali250]

To everyone feeling invincible just cuz we have a bunch of fancy missiles:
Our country's burning from the inside, we've been on the failed states index for some years now. Foreign powers don't need to get their hands dirty and invade to defeat us, they just need to stay the hell away and leave us to our own, we seem to be self-destructing faster than any military invasion could destroy us.

P.S. A few economic sanctions and closing the doors to IMF loans could help accelerate the process.

Dajjal will be only come when Israel becomes the ruling state of the World as Dajjal will control the world from jerusalam.

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Well that's pretty much true already. The Zionist lobby in Jerusalem is the dominant global power via Washington.

 

[Wolfy]

there is a saying.. when there is a fire there is smoke.

people are talking about this now, the controvercy is now beyond one's explaination and we are going towards more unpredictable future than before, I would say we open our minds and rather giving false assumptions based on " Nothing will happen" we should start THINKING atleast on " what if that happen"