Oye lutte geye mare geye, random_user123 is a fraud !!!

[AbdulW87]

here i thought another deal gone bad YET AGAIN on PG. but seriously majority of us is not mature enough to deal online hell not mature enough to deal at a retail store i have seen people buy something and then go home and change thier mind and then go back to get a return or refund.

the problem with dealing online is both parties think that they can get away with lying because its online and no physical transaction so they are good.

and then we say why ebay or paypal dont come to pakistan.

 

[Major Aly]

1. Market place only for 18 year olds and above. How to implement this?.. Well on the top of my head maybe something like you have to fill a form for taking part in market place and the form involves giving your NIC number or your drivers license number or something of that sort.

Again PG is a dedicated gaming discussion community, marketplace is a plus bonus for all the users and it sees much abuse...
Sometimes there are some sensible kids too, on whose behalf their brothers of fathers deal instead.

2. Pak Gamers should open a bank account which should act as intermediary between all market place deals. So lets say if Seller is in karachi and buyer is in islamabad, The buyer first deposits the money in PG's bank account. Seller obtains confirmation of payment from PG management about receipt of payment and ships the goods to the buyer. After shipment, PG transfers the payment to the seller. Ofcourse PG to deduct a nominal service charge for this service.

This is a VERY bad idea...

Like Shyber mentioned, everyone on PG works voluntarily.

More than 50s deal may take place in a day by various people, so you'll need a 24/7 dedicated person to watch over the bank account, determine whose money is whose even after the confirmation etc...

Extreme hassle, and uper se agar koi garbar hui to foran PG ki administration ke khilaaf hate threads and pages.

Not a good idea.

 

[AbdulW87]

I have a suggestion to avoid all these problems.

1. Market place only for 18 year olds and above. How to implement this?.. Well on the top of my head maybe something like you have to fill a form for taking part in market place and the form involves giving your NIC number or your drivers license number or something of that sort.

2. Pak Gamers should open a bank account which should act as intermediary between all market place deals. So lets say if Seller is in karachi and buyer is in islamabad, The buyer first deposits the money in PG's bank account. Seller obtains confirmation of payment from PG management about receipt of payment and ships the goods to the buyer. After shipment, PG transfers the payment to the seller. Ofcourse PG to deduct a nominal service charge for this service.

we should add both nic and drivers license because i can just pick up my dads/brothers nic to use. we can check the nic but how to check the DL against it.

i somewhat like the second idea. its like PG-Paypal. what if the buyer is not happy with the item he recieved would he get his money back.

 

[alamode]

This is a VERY bad idea...

Like Shyber mentioned, everyone on PG works voluntarily.

More than 50s deal may take place in a day by various people, so you'll need a 24/7 dedicated person to watch over the bank account, determine whose money is whose even after the confirmation etc...

Extreme hassle, and uper se agar koi garbar hui to foran PG ki administration ke khilaaf hate threads and pages.

Not a good idea.

Thats why the service charge. I see PG trying to raise money via donations.. Well i dont think people really care much about donations so i think this service would help PG raise money. Ofcourse yeah it would be a hassle but if the bank has online banking, It would not take much time to see if payment has been received in the account.

Maybe we could only take NIC/DriversLicense number from Sellers and not buyers. Maybe sellers only need to be registered with the PG admin and become an authorized seller in order to sell their stuff. Not every random guy.. Anyway..

 

[Major Aly]

Thats why the service charge. I see PG trying to raise money via donations.. Well i dont think people really care much about donations so i think this service would help PG raise money. Ofcourse yeah it would be a hassle but if the bank has online banking, It would not take much time to see if payment has been received in the account.

You need a trusted person for this kind of work.

Now suppose this trusted person ran into some personal problem...

A deal is waiting to be made after the deposit but no response.

Deal delayed etc whatever

It's a very slow process and seeing the minds of the people in marketplace, service ko choro, service charge de kar bhi na koi koi super duper ajeeb keera nikaal hi lainge and blame karain ge kisi na kisi cheez ko in the end

Aur jahan tak baat rahi donations and raising money ki...

Bhai aap batao mujhay ke aap kya prefer karo ge?

A deal that will take 3 days to complete ya a deal that will take maximum one day?

Slow process and people much likely prefer and want their money safe and sound and in their pockets or bank accounts...

 

[Gameson]

Seriously though, there's no limit to stupidities and annoyances. Look at all the friggin marketplace rules. All of'em are bloody common sense. Heck, I haven't even read all of 'em and no probs what so ever in my nearly 40 deals on PG.


Thing is, even if we add more restrictions, there's no limit to stupidity.

I try to avoid inter-city deals myself, specially for something complex and without warranty. Either that, or I try to nominate someone who can trade on my behalf in the city and then do the shipping.

And a few of my Lahore big deals were carried out thanks to amaga. It's always tricky buying hardware without warranty without you checking it out yourself. Hence it's my general advice to people to avoid inter-city trading for complex items.

What about this one:
http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/f31/pg-staff-member-backed-off-104107/


mishaps can happen any time, to any one....mods are no exception, they can also fell in.......

 

[deoX Dna]

No. This Daniyal guy.

Let me get my positive feedback, then i will share...

and i 2nd the IQ test. Just dont let it be in 100's .

maybe i should give you a negative score and tell the whole PG the real story behind your illiteracy

 

[AbbY]

Can't be done. PG isn't an organization and its tasks are handled voluntarily. Just look at the marketplace activity levels. It's impractical.
All trading on PG depends on the community. It should work on the "Caveat Emptor" principles.

I can help any low TS people for intercity dealings from Lahore. Dont know about others, but I'm sure there are many people who would be willing to volunteer, no?

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What about this one:
http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/f31/pg-staff-member-backed-off-104107/


mishaps can happen any time, to any one....mods are no exception, they can also fell in.......

I went through that again. Puh-leez. It was not a back off. It was a mere misunderstanding on part of the seller OR the seller wanted to make an issue out of it OR he wanted to make an issue out of it because an Admin was dealing. Notice, Shyber doesn't mention anywhere that RESERVE THE ITEM FOR ME etc.

---------- Post added at 07:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:38 PM ----------

Another thing, sellers and buyers, make sure you CALL the other person and TALK to him about the deal etc. One can very easily judge from the talking style, voice etc about the maturity, age and literacy.

 

[hasanJ]

I've always considered adding an IQ test to the signup process.

sirf teen char members hi ghoom rahay hongay PG par (sm1)

 

[AbdulW87]

only NIC holders should be allowed to sell on PG atleast it will decrease the number of immature kids always whining about everything. I know my comment might offend the good kids like shary but i dont mean to offend anyone i just want peace at PG

---------- Post added at 09:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:15 PM ----------

http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/f3/guyz-need-advice-fair-107103/index11.html

i guess this thread rules out my advice of allowing NIC holders to sell on PG. I dont want to but i can see PG closing the market Place in the future

 

[w00t]

I don't have a NIC, neither am I legally 18, yet I make alot of deals, each and every one of them went fine. What you guys are talking here cannot be done on this small level, you might perhaps enforce such rules if there is a dedicated site to such dealings as are amazon etc, but since this a gaming community I doubt anything this strict can be done. There are some mishaps here and there, you can't just stop these, it's the human nature.

 

[HOTSHOT]

After reading so many troublesome dealing threads. Dealing here looks more than risk. Its better to do hand to hand dealing..

 

[Blastwave]

only NIC holders should be allowed to sell on PG atleast it will decrease the number of immature kids always whining about everything. I know my comment might offend the good kids like shary but i dont mean to offend anyone i just want peace at PG

Your comment is not offensive, its downright stupid.

Moderation, rules, regulations, terms and conditions should at all time including but not limited to all deals here be kept at face value and not be a hassle.

You do realize its PakGAMERS, not Pakwheels or Pakpets where only mostly adult populace maintains an air of sanity.

Kids are kids and they will screw up at one point or not.

The fact the matte is that some of the highest trader scores are with kids who DON'T have NIC. We should ban them? since they're the most reliable people to deal with.

I am in favor of making a regulation that necessitates a MOD being present at time of a deal. Whenever a deal is finalized a MOD should approve it, only then the parties can exchange product for money or swap.

About time PG recruited new MODS for Marketplace.

 

[Spyder]

No. This Daniyal guy.

Let me get my positive feedback, then i will share...

and i 2nd the IQ test. Just dont let it be in 100's .

Dude seriously. WTF is your problem? First you're bashing with Ali Tayyab over your illiterate knowledge of PC hardware and now you're ranting over another member. Hardly I have seen you anywhere even respecting a mod i.e. Shary Bhallu TC from the marketplace. No offense but in my opinion, you're more of a 'Serious Lota' than a 'Serious Sam'.

ii) Also it should be made mandatory for the buyer to acknowledge, take pics and upload them in the seller's thread of all the items received as a form of confirmation immediately after receiving the items. This way, if the buyer later on decides on fraud, he can't do it.

Excellent idea IMO. But then again they can take images after breaking items even. But that point is eliminated when a trader mentions 'Shipping on Buyer's expense and risk'.

 

[AbbY]

Your comment is not offensive, its downright stupid.

Moderation, rules, regulations, terms and conditions should at all time including but not limited to all deals here be kept at face value and not be a hassle.

You do realize its PakGAMERS, not Pakwheels or Pakpets where only mostly adult populace maintains an air of sanity.

Kids are kids and they will screw up at one point or not.

The fact the matte is that some of the highest trader scores are with kids who DON'T have NIC. We should ban them? since they're the most reliable people to deal with.

I am in favor of making a regulation that necessitates a MOD being present at time of a deal. Whenever a deal is finalized a MOD should approve it, only then the parties can exchange product for money or swap.

About time PG recruited new MODS for Marketplace.

I disagree. We have enough MODs for the marketplace. The people need to stop scamming. No matter how many mods we have, the scams wont stop. Scamming even happens on ebay to some extend. But yeah.. You get what I mean.

As for the kids are kids part, not all kids will mess up. Not all kids have the incentive to scam. Its a teenage phase they are going through, they'll man up and realize their mistakes soon. Btw, this is a generalized statement. I'm a teenager too and have around 30 successful deals on PG so far =) And I know many other, considerably, 'kids' on PG who are 15-17 yet know how to deal with maturity and professionalism.

I don't have a NIC

I lol'ed

 

[Blastwave]

I disagree. We have enough MODs for the marketplace. The people need to stop scamming. No matter how many mods we have, the scams wont stop. Scamming even happens on ebay to some extend. But yeah.. You get what I mean.

As for the kids are kids part, not all kids will mess up. Not all kids have the incentive to scam. Its a teenage phase they are going through, they'll man up and realize their mistakes soon. Btw, this is a generalized statement. I'm a teenager too and have around 30 successful deals on PG so far =) And I know many other, considerably, 'kids' on PG who are 15-17 yet know how to deal with maturity and professionalism.

Way too completely NOT underline the part where I said " The fact the matter is that some of the highest trader scores are with kids who DON'T have NIC. We should ban them? since they're the most reliable people to deal with." !

A generalized statement yes, because in every single ehh conflict-thread, unless some dinosaur [old member/mod] of forum spoke up, everyone went medieval on everyone else.

I DON'T want any NIC restrictions, no age restrictions and particularly no regulations that suffocate both the buyer and seller here. EVER.

 

[Lord Ammar]

Here's what I do when dealing: I use common sense. Because every time I see a deal going bad its due to someone's stupidity or naiveness. So no need to alter rules because of a few bad deals.

 

[wld007]

wat kind of fu**heads fraud for video games...pathetic.

 

[TrueCoolGuy]

lol everyone needs to chill. There should be a button that allows you to reach out through other ppls computers, So if there is ever a troll, ignorant kid, arguman. You can go smack smack

 

[alamode]

Lol. People getting so offended at the idea of the market place being 18+ ?

Well the idea i was trying to get across was one should get proper approval from moderators before being able to sell stuff of the market place. Be him 18+ or not. If 18+, provide NIC no. If not, Then obtain prior approval from moderators in order to be able to sell your stuff and since some of the most important sellers are actually under 18, Moderators shouldn't have a problem giving them approval anyway.

The point being, People under 18 SHOULD be monitored.