|OT| DOTA 2 - Most Popular Mod in the world, Now AAA title [available for all]

lucebuce

Active member
Apr 12, 2009
339
0
21
Karachi
pfftt... he looks like a little Abuses will lead to ban compared to the almighty Arthas in dota 1.... I was really hoping that they try to keep the core design of Abbadon from dota 1... seems like they only took the horse seriously :(
I disagree. I think they made the character seem unique while still retaining some of the undead badass-ery of his WC3 counterpart. And let's not forget, he's voiced by TJ ramini, the same guy who delivered an excellent performance on Timbersaw's VA.
 

Raza7154

PG Xtremist
Jan 16, 2010
4,982
0
41
Karachi
it wasn't really "undead badassery"... the only badassery there was from Arthas and they didn't incorporate that into the new design.... anyone can wear a black cloack on a skeletal horse and look like a badass....

you look at Crystal Maiden... she is just like a more visually upgraded version of the old one... i was hoping something along those lines with Abaddon
 

lucebuce

Active member
Apr 12, 2009
339
0
21
Karachi
^^ They couldn't have made someone like Arthas because it would border on copyright infringement even if they used a different name for him and the sword. Valve are in a rather unique position because they have to port heroes from dota 1 to dota 2 without changing the foundations of the character and also making sure it has as little resemblance to a warcraft 3 character as possible. Abaddon is supposed to be a shrouded undead knight on a skeletal horse, and they nailed that part. Except for the voice acting, they really can't do much without changing the character entirely.
 

dododo123

Proficient
Apr 7, 2008
906
0
21
Hey striker, my pings to SEA have shot up to 300ms, and so have those of some PTCL friends of mine. After speaking with eclub, I sent an email Nayatels way, and this is what they had to say:

There has been no change in routing from our side as is clear from the traceroute - the latency increases on the last hop. The reason for "Request Timed Out" could be that ICMP traffic is blocked on that hop: this has no effect on data traffic. Anyway, I think you should observe this for a day or two and if the situation does not improve we can take this up with our upstream provider.

Any idea if this issue will be resolved?
 

StrikerX

Moderator
Moderator
Apr 6, 2009
6,636
52
54
Islamabad
[MENTION=3200]dododo123[/MENTION]

Load balancing (by redirecting routes from some other node while the tracert remains the same) from PTCL's end, don't know if intentional or automatic. I wish someone had some sort of contacts in PTCL with regards to routing etc.

Pass the following to eclub, the timing out hop is the equinix one. Ask if they from their end can liaison with equinix to sort this mess out.

p.s this definitely looks like an issue from equinix, I just checked and their backroute is not direct with PTCL. From what I can see in the trace it is coming in via US/EU. This should be an easy fix from equinix's side... if only someone can get them to do it.

Tracing route to sgp-1.valve.net [103.28.54.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 7 ms 7 ms 8 ms 10.3.240.1
2 7 ms 6 ms 14 ms 10.80.80.2
3 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms 10.1.1.14
4 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms static.lhr63.pie.net.pk [221.120.208.13]
5 34 ms 31 ms 31 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.252.13]
6 32 ms 32 ms 31 ms khi275-P01-pie.net.pk [221.120.254.46]
7 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms static-khi-ni02-swa.pie.net.pk [202.125.128.180]

8 101 ms 101 ms 102 ms habib-rafiq.khi77d2.pie.net.pk [202.125.129.218]

9 100 ms 100 ms 100 ms 32590.sgw.equinix.com [202.79.197.176]
10 101 ms 100 ms 104 ms sgp-1.valve.net [103.28.54.1]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Umair>tracert 103.28.54.1

Tracing route to sgp-1.valve.net [103.28.54.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms MyRouter.Home [192.168.1.1]
2 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 39.32.0.1
3 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.80.80.2
4 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms 10.1.1.14
5 17 ms 18 ms 17 ms static.lhr63.pie.net.pk [221.120.208.13]
6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.252.1]
7 38 ms 39 ms 39 ms khi275-P01-pie.net.pk [221.120.254.46]
8 36 ms 36 ms 36 ms static-khi-ni02-swa.pie.net.pk [202.125.128.180]

9 107 ms 116 ms 108 ms habib-rafiq.khi77d2.pie.net.pk [202.125.129.218]

10 * * * Request timed out.
11 312 ms 309 ms 310 ms sgp-1.valve.net [103.28.54.1]

Trace complete.
 
Last edited:

d3s0lator

Active member
Jul 30, 2010
277
0
21
DHA, Lahore
hes the only real counter to doom since forever ... but to counter that axe's ult goes through abadon ultimate or any ultimate if below that hp threshold :D
 

goldendays2003

DOTA Victim
Aug 27, 2010
1,748
0
41
35
Attock
but he is a tank. with a few strength items he should never be below the axe's ulti's threshold. Also axe's ulti scales very badly. It should have been percentage. Playing it would have been more fun then.
 

StrikerX

Moderator
Moderator
Apr 6, 2009
6,636
52
54
Islamabad
Guys please ping the SEA IP and tell me what ping you get: 103.28.54.1 / 103.10.124.1

p.s things look ok at my end now except for the internal delay (that is about 60-80ms) so remove that and the ping is normal again.
 

d3s0lator

Active member
Jul 30, 2010
277
0
21
DHA, Lahore
axe ultimate maxed out is 625 flat dmg goes through anything no armor or magical just pure hp ...so that becomes uncounterable by anything other then raw hp then you dont have armor or magic reduction to save you from counter helix or the rest of the team which will be based on physical dmg or either nukes ... anyways axe's ultimate goes through abadon when he is using his ultimate that was the question not how axe should take abadon out 1v1 (which he can provided abadon comes with creeps :p)

to put into perspective why percentage gain is not a good thing for axe is because we already have a similar spell called reapers scyth of necrolyte which takes out based on your missing hp in other words you can kill someone if there on half hp (provided no magical dmg reduction items such as hood or pipe is present)

an example to show the actual power of axe's ultimate will be comparing it to lina or lions nukes which do inherently 25% less damage due to inherent hero magic reduciton ...not counting viper's skin, pudge, phantom lancer and many others hell bristal back completely makes there ulti into a joke with 40% reduction outright ...do the math 1025 for lion and 1250 for lina with scepter upgrades ..now reduce those amounts by 40% ... now reduce the amount further by atleast more then 25% since someone will get a pipe or bristle will have hood which is 30% diminishing ... now thats a very small amount of damage is it not ?

now compare it to flat 625 damage no bullshit involved ...wont matter if your in bkb, repel or abadon ultimate your going to kill him at 625 hp or anything less then that ... an abadon at lvl 25 has 2,198 hp ...lets make it aprox 2500 if he has some bracers thats your tank class which you can kill at his one third aprox hp ... an average drow, sniper or even troll has roughly 1600 - 1800 hp since they go for damage items ...thats a very good and easy kill for axe ...and to top it off after aghanim you gain 6 sec cooldown ...thats a joke :D (oh you get 25% movement speed for all your nearby allies too)

in short dont go after axe just never go near him, kite him and etc but not near his ult range when your near his culling dmg
 

Raza7154

PG Xtremist
Jan 16, 2010
4,982
0
41
Karachi
^ this

people don't seem to realize that Axe's ulti is not affected by ANYTHING!!! no armor, no magical resistance, no nothing... if you're hp is lower than 625, you die.. simple as that.... in that regard, it's damn strong as it is...

abbadon's ulti isn't really the most irritating of things... in teamfights, people can just stun lock him till ulti ends, and then kill him.... his most irritating ability was always Aphotic Shield... it'll be interesting to see how good it is in this meta...
 

d3s0lator

Active member
Jul 30, 2010
277
0
21
DHA, Lahore
finally someone realizes the shield plus hp combo is insane and please use abadon as a support no semi carry no carry just plain support plus off tank nothing else suits him its dum to play him otherwise
 

Raza7154

PG Xtremist
Jan 16, 2010
4,982
0
41
Karachi
finally someone realizes the shield plus hp combo is insane and please use abadon as a support no semi carry no carry just plain support plus off tank nothing else suits him its dum to play him otherwise
i've actually always appreciated his support carry ability.... he's a great chaser, and can tower dive pretty well with the Shield... but yes, you're right in the regard that he's primarily a support
 

d3s0lator

Active member
Jul 30, 2010
277
0
21
DHA, Lahore
just played with 2 abadons both thought they were carry inspite of a built sf and a furion to top ...abadons thinking they are carry always shield themselves and use lvl 1 to dmg not to heal anyone thinking themselves more valuable. they use there ulti offensively (not a bad thing but no point) and since abadon has low farming capability due to the mana cost of shield to be spammed they dont get enough farm and eventually cant even carry ...spending 90% time in jungle and then not delivering on the carry ability... while the actual carries have to play entire game 4v5 or worse if they are farm heavy carries
 

dododo123

Proficient
Apr 7, 2008
906
0
21
Guys please ping the SEA IP and tell me what ping you get: 103.28.54.1 / 103.10.124.1

p.s things look ok at my end now except for the internal delay (that is about 60-80ms) so remove that and the ping is normal again.
My pings have normalized (110ms). Phew!
 

goldendays2003

DOTA Victim
Aug 27, 2010
1,748
0
41
35
Attock
just played with 2 abadons both thought they were carry inspite of a built sf and a furion to top ...abadons thinking they are carry always shield themselves and use lvl 1 to dmg not to heal anyone thinking themselves more valuable. they use there ulti offensively (not a bad thing but no point) and since abadon has low farming capability due to the mana cost of shield to be spammed they dont get enough farm and eventually cant even carry ...spending 90% time in jungle and then not delivering on the carry ability... while the actual carries have to play entire game 4v5 or worse if they are farm heavy carries
played with a carry abadon today. He sure proved it that it is possible. it was pretty much a 4v4. their naix left and our bane left soon after. Also our clinkz played solo all game and he didn't have any idea what he was doing. so 3v4 basically. He solved the farming issue with the bf and kept getting kills by playing very aggressive. he is also very good at 1v1 with pudge. especially when rot starts to heal him. here is the match.
DOTABUFF - Dota 2 Stats - Match 241845337
 

K3yser

Troll Bait
Sep 7, 2011
2,519
0
41
Karachi
^ this

people don't seem to realize that Axe's ulti is not affected by ANYTHING!!! no armor, no magical resistance, no nothing... if you're hp is lower than 625, you die.. simple as that.... in that regard, it's damn strong as it is...

abbadon's ulti isn't really the most irritating of things... in teamfights, people can just stun lock him till ulti ends, and then kill him.... his most irritating ability was always Aphotic Shield... it'll be interesting to see how good it is in this meta...
had a great game with kingslayer here... this enchantress in o0ur team kept attacking him on his ulti... sob got out each time with full hp!
 

goldendays2003

DOTA Victim
Aug 27, 2010
1,748
0
41
35
Attock
.and to top it off after aghanim you gain 6 sec cooldown ...
axe doesn't have enough mana regen to spend 200 mana every 6 seconds, probably thats why people hesitate to go for a scepter with axe. I am still to see a late game successful axe. mostly kiting takes care of him.
 

Raza7154

PG Xtremist
Jan 16, 2010
4,982
0
41
Karachi
axe doesn't have enough mana regen to spend 200 mana every 6 seconds, probably thats why people hesitate to go for a scepter with axe. I am still to see a late game successful axe. mostly kiting takes care of him.
one of the primary reasons why so many good players make Arcane Boots on him.... That and Scepter ensure that you can atleast take down 2-3 supports before running out of mana

- - - Updated - - -

and i completely forgot bloodstone as well... another great item for axe
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
We have disabled traderscore and are working on a fix. There was a bug with the plugin | Click for Discord
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • L LegacyGamerGuy:
    About the Microsoft (and Sony) debate, I feel both have become too greedy and losing their minds over corporate greed. Personally, I will never buy any console next gen and switch to PC gaming where democracy reins.
    Link
  • L LegacyGamerGuy:
    No news about Google Play Store hacking. What is the source?
    Link
  • Link
  • Aciel Aciel:
    This is the error.
    Link
  • Aciel Aciel:
    Online session is enabled for UBL. I have an active subscription with my NayaPay card (it is already added to Google Payment Methods).
    Link
  • B Baghi:
    did you try setting up Google Payments? For UBL you may have to get it enabled for internet transactions, Naya should work without it!
    Link
  • Aciel Aciel:
    I tried both NayaPay, and UBL, but I keep getting "correct country selected..." error. I already have PK set there 🤦‍♂️
    Link
  • Aciel Aciel:
    Baghi said:
    Link
  • B Baghi:
    Yes
    Link
  • Aciel Aciel:
    Does your VISA Cards work on Google Play Store?
    Link
  • M murtaza12:
    XPremiuM said:
    Why? Was the site hacked or something?
    Yes
    Link
  • XPremiuM XPremiuM:
    GloriousChicken said:
    Everyone, please change your passwords.
    Why? Was the site hacked or something?
    Link
  • GloriousChicken GloriousChicken:
    Everyone, please change your passwords.
    Link
  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    The only valid thing from his pov he said in the video is AC dead since Black Flag. According to woke police that game was woke too. Welsh man in West Indies. So atleast he's consistent I guess lol
    Link
  • Link
  • XPremiuM XPremiuM:
    Necrokiller said:
    It's based on an actual real life person so I don't think the woke police have a valid case here.
    Nope. They have a very valid case. The above video explains it all.
    Link
  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    It's based on an actual real life person so I don't think the woke police have a valid case here.
    • Like
    Reactions: SolitarySoldier
    Link
  • XPremiuM XPremiuM:
    Meanwhile Ghost of Tsushima PC version is out now. Looks 100 times better than ASS Creed already.
    Link
  • XPremiuM XPremiuM:
    Did y'all see the new Assassin's Creed trailer? They finally made a AC set in Japan & then they put a negro as the male protagonist. Ubisoft is taking cues from Disney, and it isn't gonna end well for them, just like Disney. Go woke, go broke!
    Link
  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    First Fallout 4 update and now this 🤡
    Link
  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    MS and Bethesda continuing their streak of massive Ls 😬
    Link
  • Link
  • funky funky:
    Hello
    Link
  • NaNoW NaNoW:
    by closing down good studios
    Link
  • NaNoW NaNoW:
    well he is breaking barriers
    • Like
    Reactions: KetchupBiryani
    Link
    L LegacyGamerGuy: About the Microsoft (and Sony) debate, I feel both have become too greedy and losing their minds...