Do we have free will?

[munsifb]

But still newton's mechanics make more sense then Noah's ark story.

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[Ottoman]

It should make sense at the sub-atomic level as well but it doesn't. I have little doubt Schroedinger/Heisenberg equations would make lesser sense if we go further deep.

 

[munsifb]

It should make sense at the sub-atomic level as well but it doesn't. I have little doubt Schroedinger/Heisenberg equations would make lesser sense if we go further deep.

It will make sense if you understand it correctly but Noah's ark story. Really ?

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[Ottoman]

^What's up with the Noah(A.S)'s ark story? What's so far-fetched about it?

Still more believable than some of the things scientists come up with :laugh1:

 

[Distress]

But still newton's mechanics make more sense then Noah's ark story.

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plz enlighten us about pre big bang era using ur scientific approach
if u r arguing over Noah AS story then I m afraid miraculous birth of Esa AS is also going to trouble u as it is biologically impossible
That's where blind faith comes in

 

[munsifb]

^What's up with the Noah(A.S)'s ark story? What's so far-fetched about it?

Still more believable than some of the things scientists come up with :laugh1:

Like what ?

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[AsliSarmachar]

only Allah swt knows
ok let's come to ur point what was before big bang? who created that very first atom that leads to bigbang?

Time didn't exist before the before the big bang. I cannot answer your question right now but I can say scientists were able to create matter with vacuum


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[munsifb]

plz enlighten us about pre big bang era using ur scientific approach

I believe aslisarmachar has answered your question to some extent. Now tell me whats your approach of pre big bang era ?

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[Ottoman]

Like what ?

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I asked first. What's so far-fetched related to Noah's Ark?

 

[munsifb]

Fair enough. Would you mind if I pm you a YouTube video ?

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[Ottoman]

Go ahead. And let's take our discussion to PM's. We're already messed up this thread.

 

[Distress]

Time didn't exist before the before the big bang. I cannot answer your question right now but I can say scientists were able to create matter with vacuum


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in a controlled environment.. they didn't create matter out of thin air
and ur own statement "scientists were able to create matter", there were no scientist so who ignited big bang?
some force must hav triggered matter to explode what was that force?

 

[Distress]

I believe aslisarmachar has answered your question to some extent. Now tell me whats your approach of pre big bang era ?

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he didn't answer any of my question. see my reply to his post and well my approach is clear. blind faith in matters of religion only Allah knows what happened before the creation of time and space.
Now ur turn prove big bang theory and infrom us about pre big bang era using ur scientific approach

 

[munsifb]

Go ahead. And let's take our discussion to PM's. We're already messed up this thread.

Pm is not working. It is giving me error

 

[Nauman 360]

you really believe that ?

our brain did not evolved through natural selection over millions, or even billions of years because you and your brain is just a few decades old.lol

another question for you is would it be difficult for someone to know what choices we'll make if he knows everything about you and everyone around you and the type of "chemical reactions" happening in your brain and their outcome ? yes ? how exactly him having this knowledge takes away your free will from you ?

I don't understand the first question, what about the decades?. If the choice you're going to make is TOTALLY created, shaped and caused by external influences than free will doesn't exist. because that free 'you' is an illusion.

you don't think your brain has any neurons ? or any other parts mine has? you think the 'you' in there is a big ball of magic light?

 

[munsifb]

he didn't answer any of my question. see my reply to his post and well my approach is clear. blind faith in matters of religion only Allah knows what happened before the creation of time and space.
Now ur turn prove big bang theory and infrom us about pre big bang era using ur scientific approach

There is no such thing as blind faith. Faith is itself blind. As for the answer I dont know what was before the big bang. But do answer my question now you are saying something must have created this universe then who created the creator? But please dont say we are not allowed to dwell in such topics.

 

[abcd]

This is becoming more of a science vs religion thread but since so many of people are using scientific 'facts' to support their arguments here is my view on it.

You cannot disprove (or prove) religious concepts with scientific theories. Why? Because scientific truths are transient while religious truth is for all times.

For hundreds of years the greatest scientists and philosophers of the world told us that earth is at the centre of the universe and everyone believed them. Then Galileo and Copernicus came along and told us that we are revolving around the sun in circular orbits and we started believing them. A few years later Newton came up with his theories and told us that the orbits are not circular but elliptical. We believed Newton for a couple of centuries until Einstein decided that Newtonian mechanics should go out the window and quantum physics and relativity are the real deal. Thus there has not been any period in history whose 'scientific truth' has survived more than a couple of generations.

At least the religious folks are sticking to the same story for fourteen hundred years

 

[Distress]

^If u don't know what was before big bang and u don't hav blind faith, how do u expect me to give an answer to that absurd question? Allah Swt didn't tell us what was before him, maybe he will tell us after "qiyamah". but u don't believe in dooms day if u don't believe in creator so who is gonna tell u what was before big bang? ur flesh made scientists? :lol:
Mods: please use ur free will and close this thread as it's turning into a religious discussion and leading towards shirk

 

[Nauman 360]

plz enlighten us about pre big bang era using ur scientific approach
if u r arguing over Noah AS story then I m afraid miraculous birth of Esa AS is also going to trouble u as it is biologically impossible
That's where blind faith comes in

I have to agree with you there my friend. Blind faith indeed.

 

[K3yser]

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