Core i7 a waste of money for gamers, says NVIDIA

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Intel’s Nehalem architecture might have generated a lot of excitement and rave reviews, but it turns out that Nvidia isn’t that impressed with its impact on gaming performance. In fact, yesterday the company described Intel’s claims about Core i7s gaming performance as “disingenuous” in a presentation to introduce Nvidia’s concept of an optimised gaming PC.In the presentation, NVIDIA’s technical marketing director Tom Petersen said “I have a copy of Intel’s latest deck that they share with press and customers, and on there they have a slide that is called The Intel Core i7 920 Processor, where they claim that gaming performance goes up by 80 percent when you use a Core i7. Now, I was impressed by that claim, and I was trying to figure out how they could possibly say such a thing, and it turns out that Intel is basing that claim on only 3DMark Vantage’s CPU test.”As Petersen points out, this test “is designed to show CPU difference, it doesn’t actually measure gameplay, it doesn’t actually measure anything about game performance. Sure enough, if you do that test you will see Core i7 running faster, but I think it’s a little disingenuous to call that game performance.”To prove his point, Petersen outlined two types of PC, which he likened to cars - the Hummer and the Beamer. Petersen described the Hummer, saying that it “has got to be big, and it’s got to be expensive and of course it’s infused with Hafnium, which is kind of a dig at Intel. It has a Core i7, which is Intel’s latest, greatest CPU that they claim is the best for gaming.” The Hummer features a Core i7, 4GB of RAM, an X58 motherboard and a single GeForce GTS 250. Meanwhile, the Beamer swaps out the Core i7 CPU for a basic Core 2 Duo E8400, an nForce 750i motherboard and a pair of GeForce GTS 250 cards in SLI.The cost difference between the two is massive, with a Core i7 965-based Hummer costing $1,501 US based on pricing from US etailer Newegg, and the Beamer costing just $715 US. Petersen also noted that even a Core i7 920 setup with a single GeForce GTS 250 would still cost more than the Beamer SLI rig at around $790 US. The prices were based on the core components only, and didn’t include features such as the case or PSU.“You’re paying a pretty dear price to follow the Intel story of how to build the fastest PC for gaming”, said Petersen, as he showed a graph of how gaming performance scales with CPU upgrades. Petersen got his test results by adding together the frame rates from Crysis Warhead, Fallout 3, Call of Duty: World at War and Far Cry 2 at 1,920 x 1,200 (no AA or AF) and taking an average. With a Core 2 Duo E8400 and a GeForce GTS 250, the average was 41.6fps.He then showed how this increased as you upgraded the CPU (the blue line in the graph above), and compared it to how the frame rate increased when you added another graphics card in SLI. The frame rate only increased to 42.4fps after upgrading to a Core i7 965, but jumped all the way up to 59.4fps after upgrading to a GeForce GTX 260 (216 stream processors) SLI setup.This might seem obvious to those of us who know about how 3D acceleration works, but Petersen claims that the result is still “surprising to most people”. Petersen says that “it is a fact, that when you’re gaming and you’re running at resolutions of 1,920 x 1,200 or better, the Core 2 Duo is perfect for running all of today’s games. In real gaming, there’s no difference between a Core i7 and a Core 2 Duo.”Petersen accepts that some gamers want the very best of everything, and likens the combination of a Core i7 and SLI graphics to a Ferrari. “If you’ve got money to burn, and you want to get the latest Core i7, and you want to get great graphics cards, then sure you can get the best of everything. There is some small benefit to having a Core i7 965 over a Core 2 Duo when you’re buying the best graphics cards and running at the highest resolutions, so a Core i7 has a place and it does have a benefit in what I’m going to call the Ferrari configuration. But the truth is that when you’re trading off money, there’s nothing like the Beamer configuration.”“Particularly in today’s economic climate, people are concerned about getting the most value for their money,” says Petersen. As such, Petersen advises PC gamers to ignore Core i7 and instead set up a Core 2 Duo system using an nForce SLI motherboard. “With the leftover $800 I can go out and buy 16 games,” says Petersen, “it’s not even close.”Is Nvidia just stating the obvious here, or do you think the general PC gamer thinks that they’ll get a big boost in gaming performance from a Core i7 CPU? Would you rather have a Core i7 system with one GPU, or a Core 2 Duo system with an SLI setup? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.Source:[bit-tech]
 

mave3

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Nice share out there @gesherbrum
Nvidia gave it hard on Intel..
this is sure marketing strategies that they are try to apply here..!!!!
 

abobobilly

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waisay core2duo is a budget cpu & i think more than enough for now a days gaming.
one thing about which you are right about is 3d Mark Vintage is designed to show the CPU faster. People here only judge the CPU with their benchmarkings :D
most people usually like to buy (If core i7) Core i7 920 because it sure is expensive but gives performance with the ratio of money.
& Core i7 965 ..... What the "F"
this CPU is surely faaar more expensive that a 920. However the performance difference is only 8-10% ( i guess).....
& if you ask me, i would never spend THAT MUCH on just a CPU.....

well so far, AMD is going to launch a 6 core processor...... So lets wait for the Intel to Blow a BIG DHAMAKA :D

O'
& SLI Setup with midrange cards (like GTS250) is i think a good choice, that i would love to go for...... & If anyone wants more, i think the 260's SLI will be fair enough.
 

deltree

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now all the i7 owners here are going to be scratching there heads wondering what they just read, lol sorry fellows u actually spent more money on the wrong stuff :p
 

crysis2

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yes nvidia is right about cpu choice.But except gaming corei7 will smash the faces of all cpus.
 

na33m

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but they are futureeeeeeeeeeee safe now , i.e. if they dont fall into marketing gimics and go for like the next gen cpus
future safe .. yeah! yah ! for sure ,,
like we wont see any development after core i7 <_<

Nice share Gesh. but please whenever you share such info try to format it up a lil'

and what about AMD , they got some core2 alternatives ,right ?
 

xxSC4Rxx

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well not really my 4870x2 came to life when i changed to i7...the q6600 was great with the 8800gts but pc became tooo bottle necked...plus im set for quite some time now...so am pretty happy...its like if u bought an i7 to change it 6 months then yes its a big waste of money but if u wanna keep it over a year or so its not bad for the price
 

fawad

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I think that nvidia is trying to defend their market so that nehalem won't kill their sales, also intel wants to launch gpu so maybe another strategy to create confusion :S
 

devildante99

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Nvidia is actually spot on, Most of the people here are gamers, and they mostly play games, so buying a Core i7 is actually a waste of money see the example. Most games currently dont use the power of a 2 core Processor to the max, leave alone a quad and a i7. Just get a good enough CPU and get a decent enough card like a 4870 or a GTX 260.

A E8400 with a 4870, would be much better than a Core i7 with a maybe 9800GT or something, looking that a person has a fixed budget, if he is made of money, and can spend whatever he wants, then i7 is not a problem at all.

Another thing is that how many of people here do encoding and Stuff that are CPU intensive, thats the main question, i think not many, then what actually is the need of spending thousands of RS on a thing that wont help you a lot.

In short, i7 is more of a thing to show off, and nothing else. For now that is.
 
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