Core i7 a waste of money for gamers, says NVIDIA

[Necrokiller]

I honestly dont know how a single 8800GT is satisfactory or even capable of dealing with Crysis.
Very High with a 8800GT !!!
I'm sure it can run it but @ what frames..

Maybe at 1280x1024 High is fine.. not over that. No way. I got 40-50fps at 1080p at Crysis...but with medium settings.

But in my case , applying AA and AF @ 1080p res , stresses the GPU alot..
Fallout 3 @ full settings @ 1080 is heavy , not very heavy but it is heavy..
And playing a game like that without performance drops is extremely satisfactory..
Same goes for Far Cry 2 , same goes for Deadspace , same goes for Mass Effect , Stalker , Fear , Brothers in Arms etc

Exactly my point. 8800GT does not have the horse power for AA and AF at 1080p.
Not for Deadpsace and Fear...both are extremely well optimized and I got over 60fps with my old 8800GT at 1080p. (heavily Oc'ed though)
But even that res REXXEN, GTX 285 is beastly... so still no need for tri-sli..hence, no need for Core i7 (unless you're doing heavy cpu intensive work OTHER than gaming)
I can understand if you're running 2560x1600 or above.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

ROTFLMAO!

Gesherbrum your constant battle to try to prove Core i7s as weak ... trying to defame them just because you bought the bad alternative to the i7 amuses me! And its getting pretty weak and stupid. You bought the SLOWER processor ... deal with it!

Who in their right minds would pair up a Core i7 with a measly GTS250 ? No one ... the GTS costs LESS than the bloody i7! ... Core i7s (and even the Phenom II x4s) are for those who put up or SLi/Crossfire the very top end cards. ANY gamer with a bit of brains knows that the GPU is what takes out the actual performance ... and the CPU should be enough to support the GPU.

Do the same "test" with a Phenom II X4 940 + GTS250 ... and a Phenom II X3 720 with a GTX260 Core216 SLi ... you will have overall the same results!

So yea with that article Nvidia just proved one thing ... if you pair up a high end CPU with a mid end GPU, or atleast as a rule of the thumb, use a processor worth more than the GPU for a gaming PC ... you are dumb and wasting your money!

And seriously ... who here actually think a person is going for "Value for money" performance when buy a Core i7 or a Phenom II X4. The 'top of the line' is bought for pure power ... bharam bazi so to say!

 

[Necrokiller]

And seriously ... who here actually think a person is going for "Value for money" performance when buy a Core i7 or a Phenom II X4. The 'top of the line' is bought for pure power ... bharam bazi so to say!

Thats quite sad and pathetic in my honest opinion. Why not buy a BMW and merc while youre at it LMAO! (and put it on CNG)

 

[REXXEN]

necrokiller; Why 3 cards , mainly because a single @ 1080p without AA and AF @ Very High gets 16fps during fights !!
It's the minimum frame rate that should always be noted..
With SLi , performance is very tolerable but then you suffer from performance dips..
Like fine , you'll be getting 50 or 60 but then during action your fps will drop to 28 or even 25 possibly..
with 3 cards , your happy
Because the 3rd card acts like a wall , it stops the frame rate from dipping to intolerable levels..
During heavy action , your frame rate is stuck to 40 or 35 , in extreme cases 30 with cars and choppers exploding in open areas..
Thus you dont feel jitters /shuttering..

 

[Necrokiller]

necrokiller ; Why 3 cards , mainly because a single @ 1080p without AA and AF @ Very High gets 16fps during fights !!
It's the minimum frame rate that should always be noted..
With SLi , performance is very tolerable but then you suffer from performance dips..
Like fine , you'll be getting 50 or 60 but then during action your fps will drop to 28 or even 25 possibly..
with 3 cards , your happy
Because the 3rd card acts like a wall , it stops the frame rate from dipping in to intolerable levels..
During heavy action , your frame rate is stuck to 40 or 35 , in extreme cases 30 with cars and choppers exploding in open areas..
Thus you dont feel jitters /shuttering..

So.... you built a rig for Crysis? Thats even worse.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

So.... you built a rig for Crysis? Thats even worse.

Once you go TRUE HD on gaming with those levels of eye candy and FPS ... you aint never going back.

Thats quite sad and pathetic in my honest opinion. Why not buy a BMW and merc while youre at it LMAO! (and put it on CNG)

No not really. Putting an i7 to proper use ... like REXXEN has by pairing it up with 3 cards ... is proper use of power.

 

[REXXEN]

lol
necrokiller:
Do I have to name all the games I play , Crysis for me is a prime example...
I did mention a few games in my earlier post..
Crysis isn't the only game that supports or benefits from SLi , lots of games do..
Even Left 4 Dead does !

Sir Ahsan ; thank you so...
I was starting to believe I made a mistake by posting...lol , I was feeling all cornered..
But thanks to you , I'm happy to know that there are guys who fully understand what I'm trying point out..
Yeah after playing games @ 1080p or higher , there's no turning back , spot on

 

[Necrokiller]

Once you go TRUE HD on gaming with those levels of eye candy and FPS ... you aint never going back.



No not really. Putting an i7 to proper use ... like REXXEN has by pairing it up with 3 cards ... is proper use of power.

My argument is simple.
I am gaming at 46" inch Sony Bravia TRUE HD...and i can play just about anything..except Crysis at VERY HIGH 16xAA and 16xAF. But guess what, the game is just not worth dropiing $3000 on just to play at those levels. No sir, its just not justifiable. The game is coded badly to some extent..with a mediocre story line. its nothing more than a tech demo you can play.

Now someone who wants to ENJOY the CORE GAMEPLAY rahter than pretty graphics, can appreciate the value of the game just by spending average amounts of money. Theres a limit to how much graphics can make the game better... its all about core gameplay to real gamers that is. 80% of gamers dont even care about the eye candy.. Theres a reason why Super Mario is the worlds best selling game of all time...and not Crysis. Theres also a reason why Nintendo Wii is the best selling console in the world out of the 3 next gen consoles. Even thought its not as powerful. I rest my case.

REXXEN, I dont think you made a mistake by posting.. but you're making a istake by trying to justify yourself. Its only natural to do so by the way in your case. If you're happy..then I guess you don't need to do that here.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

My argument is simple.
I am gaming at 46" inch Sony Bravia TRUE HD...and i can play just about anything..except Crysis at VERY HIGH 16xAA and 16xAF. But guess what, the game is just not worth dropiing $3000 on just to play at those levels. No sir, its just not justifiable. The game is coded badly to some extent..with a mediocre story line. its nothing more than a tech demo you can play.

Value for money ... no it aint mate. It never is.

But when you have a lot of money ... and I mean a lot ... getting the top of the line is worth it ... because you can and it dont matter

Tri-SLi is overkill in my book as well ... but when you gota overkill ... you gota do it properly. Getting a Core i7 with a GTS250 isnt proper ... its dumb. I was trying to prove that to the topic starter who is basically trying to some how justify his AMD purchase which is not able to keep up with any Core i7 in the benchmarks here ... and everywhere else.

 

[Necrokiller]

Hehe okay. Well, he was trying to prove that with some valid articles and stuff..not just his opinion. Fanboism is very common everywhere haha

Okay Sir... if you've got that much money to burn... then i guess you can do anything. But it doesn't mean its justifiable. What you're saying is, 'even if you're doing something wrong, do it right'...but the deed is still wrong my friend. Allah ka bohat karam hai mujh par bhi... but whats dumb in my books, is getting more than what you need. And let me tell you, the frames you're getting is Crysis (or other games which realy don't require tri-sli even at high res and AA levels) is only as high as the money you spend on it...which is a never ending story.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

Yeah after playing games @ 1080p or higher , there's no turning back , spot on

With THAT setup you shouldnt even be talking of just 1080p! Like seriously .. thats WEAK with what you have

2560x1600 should be your minimum. Your setup is like ... max everything ... overkill you can say ... but its properly spent and well choosen .... like for starters you dont have a Phenom II with those 3 GPUs

Plus ... you made the setup for bragging rights and having the "ultimate" ... and you have spent well in that regard! Its an overkill setup ... but properly done nonetheless.

but whats dumb in my books, is getting more than what you need.

Bolay to value for money ...

Personally id never go SLi or Crossfire ... not unless I get 100% gains in every game ... which is rare. Its 720p no AA no AF for me right now ... and if I upgrade, id probably get to 1080p (no AA no AF) and stop there. Value for money and need like you said.

If someone gives me 5 lakhs though ... id be build a water cooled Quad GPU setup with insane clocks ... overkil you know ... to get the the max. Its fun if you have ze money!

But I do agree, you simply cannot justify a Tri SLi setup here for gaming unless you are aiming for insanely high frames and resolutions ... and bragging rights. But when you wana go to the max ... there aint no justification needed.

 

[milkyway]

TO be honest, i knew this already. People who buy core i7's are people who like to burn cash.

otherwise, it dosent take a nutter to realise that a quad core cpu is already enough, as games are more GPU dependant.

 

[Necrokiller]

Plus ... you made the setup for bragging rights and having the "ultimate" ... and you have spent well in that regard!

The ultimate is SkullTrail

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TO be honest, i knew this already. People who buy core i7's are people who like to burn cash.

otherwise, it dosent take a nutter to realise that a quad core cpu is already enough, as games are more GPU dependant.

Well said.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

TO be honest, i knew this already. People who buy core i7's are people who like to burn cash.

otherwise, it dosent take a nutter to realise that a quad core cpu is already enough, as games are more GPU dependant.

Sometimes a purchase is not for fulfilling a NEED ... but going to the MAX.

By your logic ... buying any sports car is burning money, cus you can never go anywhere fast because of the speedlimit.

Same goes for everything ... expensive cellphones, expensive watches ... basically anything thats expensive.

The ultimate is SkullTrail

Nope. Im pretty sure in game performance 3 GTX285s in TRI SLI are faster than the 9800GX2 SLi setup.

 

[Necrokiller]

Sometimes a purchase is not for fulfilling a NEED ... but going to the MAX.

By your logic ... buying any sports car is burning money, cus you can never go anywhere fast because of the speedlimit.

Same goes for everything ... expensive cellphones, expensive watches ... basically anything thats expensive.

Exactly my point... all of that is just show off. And if you get your satisfaction from that.. then thats quite sad and pathetic. People are dying of hunger and all ppl with money do is satisfy their filthy needs and pretend they care about the poor Tsk tsk (thats not a personal attack...im just generalising)

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Nope. Im pretty sure in game performance 3 GTX285s in TRI SLI are faster than the 9800GX2 SLi setup.

What does skulltrail have to do with 9800GX2? Im talking about 8 cpu cores or more. hahaha so what if its not being utilized... you dont want value for money right... just the MAX. You're contradicting yourself. By the way, even Crysis doesnt utilize 4 cores. Google it up.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

Exactly my point... all of that is just show off. And if you get your satisfaction from that.. then thats quite sad and pathetic. People are dying of hunger and all ppl with money do is satisfy their filthy needs and pretend they care about the poor Tsk tsk

No offence, but your in that list too if you look at it. A 46" HDTV, PS3, X360, Wii, DS and that PC ... not exactly value for money but more like showoff. Esp. if one puts all that in ones signature when it already has a My Rig option to tell.

Bura laga na ?

My point ? Please dont pass such comments about people ... its disrespectful. Lets keep the mahaul cool aite ?

What does skulltrail have to do with 9800GX2? Im talking about 8 cpu cores or more. hahaha so what if its not being utilized... you dont want value for money right... just the MAX.

SkullTrail that time was shown of with 9800GX2 in SLi and QX9770s (if I got the number right). If you are reffering to the 8 cores ... yup ... that would be the ultimate.

 

[REXXEN]

My argument is simple.
I am gaming at 46" inch Sony Bravia TRUE HD...and i can play just about anything..except Crysis at VERY HIGH 16xAA and 16xAF. But guess what, the game is just not worth dropiing $3000 on just to play at those levels. No sir, its just not justifiable. The game is coded badly to some extent..with a mediocre story line. its nothing more than a tech demo you can play.

Now someone who wants to ENJOY the CORE GAMEPLAY rahter than pretty graphics, can appreciate the value of the game just by spending average amounts of money. Theres a limit to how much graphics can make the game better... its all about core gameplay to real gamers that is. 80% of gamers dont even care about the eye candy.. Theres a reason why Super Mario is the worlds best selling game of all time...and not Crysis. Theres also a reason why Nintendo Wii is the best selling console in the world out of the 3 next gen consoles. Even thought its not as powerful. I rest my case.

REXXEN, I dont think you made a mistake by posting.. but you're making a istake by trying to justify yourself. Its only natural to do so by the way in your case. If you're happy..then I guess you don't need to do that here.

Justify spending money , hell I bet non of us can...
Since we're speaking numbers with cash , why not speak numbers with performance results..
About eye candy , I apparently see things differently..
I did enjoy Mario and my favorite fps is actually Metroid Prime , not Crysis..
My favourite Console manufacturer is Nintendo by the way...
But stating eye candy has no effect on your enjoyment level , is rather not the case with Crysis , Mass Effect or even Fallout 3 for that matter..
Once you play Crysis with eye candy turned on , you'll love the game many times more..
You can tweak the Graphics to look better you know , eye candy in this case does matter..
If you had played Crysis @ the settings I prefer , I'm sure your opinions might've been a tad different about the title..
If you play Fallout 3 with every thing turned @ 1080p , you enjoy it much more..
There are ways and then there are different ways of enjoying the same thing many times more..
There's no specific socially constructed group that votes for less eye candy over more eye candy..
I didn't bother with the game's story , as there are plenty other ways of appreciating a title..
It's the same as saying , buying a sound system worth 40,000$ is a waste , when true audiophiles can enjoy listening to digital music on their logitech speakers..
I'm merely trying to point out a distinctive fact , not trying to defend my self..lol
Its not like you think , that deep down there's some voice saying I made a mistake buying 3 cards..
As I have clearly benefited and gained plenty levels of enjoyment by purchasing 3 cards..
Because of which I should hopefully be doing the same in the future..

Seriously...lol
Why would it be natural to defend my self , I'm not doing any of that..
I'm trying to point something out , not defend my self but state something that exists..
Why watch Blue Ray movies , why not watch movies in bad print then !!
A blueray movie is expensive , yes...
A dvd movie in normal print is cheap , right..
The way your adding things makes me think as tho your trying to say a true movie enthusiast would prefer watching the same movie in a dvd print..
Aren't Blue Ray Players expensive , why...
Isn't it simply because they're high resolution movies , isn't it also because you'll enjoy the movie the way it was meant to be enjoyed..

 

[Necrokiller]

No offence, but your in that list too if you look at it. A 46" HDTV, PS3, X360, Wii, DS and that PC ... not exactly value for money but more like showoff. Esp. if one puts all that in ones signature when it already has a My Rig option to tell.

Bura laga na ?

My point ? Please dont pass such comments about people ... its disrespectful. Lets keep the mahaul cool aite ?

Im not being disrespectful and I dont intend to do that. Ididnt buy that TV just for my gaming needs. My 27 CRt broke. And its used by the entirel family to watch HD cable, movies and I play games whenever I can. so yeah...mujhe bura nahi laga. Now how many ppl are actually using that tri-sli core i7?

Actually I was thinking myself thats its very stupid to put that all in the sig. But this is the only forum Ive seen this My Rig option at. Generally in all other forums ppl go directly to the sig to see ones rig..so I automatically put it there.

Eye candy matters REXXEN, it does... but the game must be worth it too. Thats all im saying. Lets not get personal and defensive here. I think even I appreciated your rig in my Introduction here...thats one of the reasons I joined PG.
http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/int...-joining-you-all-way-canada-d.html#post331354

 

[Sire Ahsan]

Im not being disrespectful and I dont intend to do that. Ididnt buy that TV just for my gaming needs. My 27 CRt broke. And its used by the entirel family to watch HD cable, movies and I play games whenever I can.

You know most people are happy with 21" TVs and monitors ? Peoples wants matter ... some people want more. You are satisfied with a 46" HDTV good for you ... some people want bigger ones. And Wii, PS3, X360,PC ... big list my friend ... very few people here have all those consoles.

Everyones needs are different. To you your GTX260 fulfills your need ... but if had the need (or want) to go higher ... you would have.

Now necrokiller and REXXEN ... you guys have a conversation and all but please DO NOT start any personal battles okay ? NO remarks etc. Okay ? Else ill have to lock this

 

[Necrokiller]

You know most people are happy with 21" TVs and monitors ? Peoples wants matter ... some people want more. You are satisfied with a 46" HDTV good for you ... some people want bigger ones. And Wii, PS3, X360,PC ... big list my friend ... very few people here have all those consoles.

Everyones needs are different. To you your GTX260 fulfills your need ... but if had the need (or want) to go higher ... you would have.

Now necrokiller and REXXEN ... you guys have a conversation and all but please DO NOT start any personal battles okay ? NO remarks etc. Okay ? Else ill have to lock this

Sure thats a big list. But I bought all of them at HALF price. Value for money? hell yeah!! And Im selling them anyways coz I don't play PS3 and Xbox 360 that much...and I enjoy Wii the most. So you wont see that big a list soon.
Now if tri-sli gains are THRICE than a single one... then ill be the first one to buy it!!

back to topic:
Nvidia and Intel are arch rivals...so the reason for that statement is automatically understood.