Core i7 a waste of money for gamers, says NVIDIA

[devilhimselff]

Well I just assembled a Core i7 Rig and just put it through paces.

My first Impression is that the there is not much difference in the gaming, BUT this is all on Stock. Still I am gaining few FPS, will post later, and Overclocking I am sure its gonna KIK ass.

I had a 750i MSI with E8400 running at 3.6GHZ stable with GTX 260 Core 216 SLi @ FTW Stats, and 2x2GB Corsair DHX @ 800 MHZ.

Now what I have you can see in my Signature.

The things that will made me choose for Core i7 were;
Future upgrades.
DDR3 Triple Channel, High end RAM.
X58 Mobo giving me option of either Sli or Cross Fire (More choices)
and Quad Core Core i7.

IF you cant to get OLD Quad Cores the processor price is the almost the same as core i7. Second IF someone wants to build a Rig from scratch, then, the choice should be Core i7, UNLESS budget constrains dont allow.
Lets say you want to patch up a core 2 duo system with Sli, its still a pretty steep investement, and mind you the Core i7 gaming performance is being compared to high end C2Ds only.

And in the END its all about owning the BEST of the BEST stuff, for which there is always a market.

Now to Nvidia Hmmm strange that they would say something like that, what happened to them rebranding the Hell out of their products and selling it to not so tech savy people, many times. And bringing out all sorts of Cards in the margin of months. IF we check the history see what happened after 8800Series onwards. Someone seems to be taking to much trouble with the PR stunt, may be cause of Intel's Larabee (I think thats the spelling)

 

[ubuntu83]

nVIDIA is trying to convey this to those who pair up a 9500GT,9600GT or a 9800GT with a Core i7 chip. The average joe guy doesn't know shit about high performance GPU's, who only buys pre built OEM computers. nVIDIA want them to make a better machine overall by pairing a Core i7 with a powerful GPU.

 

[AFQ]

core i7`s performance can be compared with high end C2Ds.
core i7 is not something that makes a a lot of difference to gaming.

 

[Slayer]

Oh bhai paragraphing to kar letai...
Anyways this was a real-nice share....
I think that nVidia is pissed off at intel for not giving them license to make core i7 compatible boards in addition to the fact that they'd obviously want their boards to sale out, since the release of the core i7 has affected that...

 

[iameXtreme]

devil u hit the nail on the head....its true you can pair up a q6600 with a powerful GPU and get great results in gaming....or a core 2 duo even. i was really happy with my q6600 setup...had no problems with it.....i bought the i7 because its new...i had the money to upgrade...so i upgraded it.....im a spoilt tech freak anything new that comes in the market and gets my attention i try to get it. thats all.

 

[REXXEN]

There's noticeable misunderstanding here , Nvidia's trying to say something else..
They're dissing intel for toying with gaming numbers because they're unhappy with intel's approach , Nvidia desires to play a role basically..
They're unhappy with the fact that the i7 was not entirly designed with gaming in mind to the full , as it only partally effect's it/benifit , not entirly !
The i7 makes a huge difference on Multi Gpu configurations , it does indeed change things almost twice as much.
Yes , that's exactly what I'm trying to say.. double !
People even talk about massive improvements over Quads that were @ 4.3Ghz when shifting to the i7 @ 3.6Ghz
Benchmarks dont explain everything , real time game play is much different !

Core 2 Quad (Very High)

Core i7 (Very High)

 

[shujaswati]

average 67.15 !!!!!, holy shit.....

 

[reaper]

future safe .. yeah! yah ! for sure ,,
like we wont see any development after core i7 <_<

Nice share Gesh. but please whenever you share such info try to format it up a lil'

and what about AMD , they got some core2 alternatives ,right ?

lolz there will be new processors ,, but those who own a core i7 wont have to upgrade for a little more time then the rest of us.

 

[devildante99]

Rexxen, i respect your opinion mate, but let me tell you something, you have a feakin GTX280 is 3 way sli, please tell me that how many people can afford that, Not many here can get rigs worth 2 lac,

That is not what Nvidia is talking about, They are saying that, lets suppose you have 60000RS, now most people would see that as i7 is a new processor, and intel's finest, lets get that, it would be excellent for gaming. Now he gets it, spending the bulk of the budget on the proccy, then he thinks, i am a really good gamer, lets get a GPU but he only gets a 9800GT or 9600GT. But thats where he went wrong.

Now with that 60000, if he had gone with a 4870 with a E8400 or something like that, maybe a Crossfire rig with a 4850, his rig would be way ahead compared to that i7 one.

The point is, in pakistan, not many people understand this, they get the best processor thinking that it helps in gaming, but actually the GPU is the thing, which determines the FPS. Spending 90% of budget on a i7 CPU, DDR3 ram and a compatible motherboard is insanity.

I have seen many people doing this.

Nvidia is trying to make people understand that GPUs determine the gaming experience and getting a better GPU with a Dual Core PC, is much better. More cost effective, and give excellent performance.

Look at my rig, i have a E2200 with a 8800GT, every game i have runs perfectly, no problem at all, everything at high, 1600x1200. With no overclocking. And actually i dont see a upgrade for me till next year, maybe till the time when my 8800GT isnt able to play any game on decent IQ.

 

[Dark Sith]

nvidia is not geting alone with intel , the price diff is there but the performance is stellar , but i am skeptial , never have used a phenom 2 , guys can the latest phenom that is avaliable on galaxy beat a corei7-920 oc to 3.5 ghz.

u have never used amd in the past hence i dont know , so i am asking , if and is that good and cheap why dont all gamers just switch to amd then .

pls help
(2t)

 

[Necrokiller]

That was one hard post to read. Anyway...

Now unless someone wants to brag about the money they've spent, theres no real advantage to buy the latest tech as soon as it comes out. It takes time for the software to catch up. For gaming, you aren't gonna see real advantages unless youre running sli/CF, tri-sli/tri-fire at super high resolutions. Thats where you need a powerful CPU to feed the multi gpus setup and the Core i7 really do shine there... but then again a cheaper dual/quad core setup and a singel faster card can do well there too.

 

[devildante99]

nvidia is not geting alone with intel , the price diff is there but the performance is stellar , but i am skeptial , never have used a phenom 2 , guys can the latest phenom that is avaliable on galaxy beat a corei7-920 oc to 3.5 ghz.

u have never used amd in the past hence i dont know , so i am asking , if and is that good and cheap why dont all gamers just switch to amd then .

pls help
(2t)

The thing is that, intel has been doing wonders since its C2D release, and has now caught a major market share, the comsumers have made a brand loyalty towards their products, and it would now be quite difficult to switch towards AMD.

Another thing is that before Phenom 2, AMD wasn't doing well, but the release of this CPU has done wonders for them, and now they are the real VFM.

 

[Necrokiller]

Plus, making a switch to a different brand CPU is not as easy as just buying it. You need a new motherboard and all that. Many would just settle for the same brand. And you can't go wrong with Intel now, can you?

 

[devildante99]

We cant, but one can move to the substitutes if the offer more value to the consumer.

 

[REXXEN]

@ devildantc99 ; I knew , someone was going to say that..
What I have , yes happens to be 3 cards but the point I'm trying to make was one related to any multi gpu system , which also means the GTX 295 or the X2 Single...
Or even other Graphical interface systems , like the Quadro etc..
Yes , those benefit just as decently.
Expecting performance jumps , has become a trend these days....ever since the Core Duo came out , every one now expects the next processor to jump ever higher.
The i7's are fast where it really needs to be , just like you said..
Your games run perfectly smooth , there's no need for you to invest in any other processor out there , even if there are faster ones out there !
So how could a faster Core i7 be of interest to anyone who already happens to be satisfied with performance on his dual core..
The only reason why you'd want/find reason to invest in boards worth 40 or processors worth 100 , would only be when your multi gpu system's being choked by current/former Quads..
Only then would you want the upgrade , other wise why would you want more speed when things are already considered as smooth enough , right..
Thus in my case things weren't smooth enough and I needed the upgrade where it was needed..
Primiraly because of Nvidia's gpu's..
Nvidia's TRi , Dual GPU and Quad systems benefit from the i7..
Games like Crysis , Fallout 3 , Far Cry 2 that are very demanding @ very high settings , benefit vastly.
One would never consider spending 60000 , to play Crysis @ full.....right
Why not imagine having a single GPU for 15000 that could perform better then 2xGTX285's !
We all know , that there are many GPU intensive games , thus the requirement for SLi comes in , which then causes boards and systems to choke , which then requires people to spend truck loads on their entire system..
Having a company like Nvidia bash intel , simply is double standards..
If CPU intensive games performed just as worse compared to gpu intensive games , I'd then believe what the Nvidia guy was trying to say..
He also states that people spend money just because of bragging rights , how ridiculous is that...
When they are the ones manufacturing cards that cost a fortune , just so those barely performs decently in GPU intensive games..
When they're the ones causing us to upgrade again and again because games tend to be demanding on Graphics cards..
I just posted pictures of what the Old Quad does and what the i7 does and there you have a guy from Nvidia say the the opposite , saying stuff like multi GPU system do not benifit noticable..
2 Years after them releasing the 8800GTX they released the 9800GTX and then a couple of months after they released the 9800GTX + , lol..
Where was Nvidia's affection/feelings for customers then.
Why dont we blame Nvidia for being unable to produce cheaper more powerful cards that can deal with games like Crysis etc..
Nvidia's doing short cuts on it's own , it could build GPU's that could handle games like Crysis long ago but it did not.
And now they're flaunting the Core i7..
They're busy pointing their finger @ intel , so basically it's a rant between companies and Nvidia's trying to look all pretty in this picture..
Like I said , I believe they're simply expressing their dissatisfaction with Intel's method's of keeping companies like Nvidia out of the loop..

 

[devildante99]

But here we come back to the point, what actually is a need of getting 3 GTX280s, not an average person can get that.

And besides due to the custom configs, we can run crysis at 90% of very high, with a 8800GT, so that no need, and i haven't seen any game apart from crysis and Gta4 that push even a 8800GT to its limits.

 

[Necrokiller]

We cant, but one can move to the substitutes if the offer more value to the consumer.

Like I said, making a switch is worth it if you're building an entirely new rig. If I was to upgrade my CPU and AMD was wayyy better.. I would rather get a faster Quad Core than buy a whole new chipset for an AMD cpu. Overall its not worth it. And don't forget overclocking... Intel has better value there.

and i haven't seen any game apart from crysis and Gta4 that push even a 8800GT to its limits.

Not true...depends entirely on what resolution youre playing at whether you want AA and AF. A single 8800GT starts to choke at 1680x1050 and above.

 

[devildante99]

I have played most of my games at 1920x1200, so that argument is false.

 

[Necrokiller]

I have played most of my games at 1920x1200, so that argument is false.

I had XFX 8800GT 512mb bro so I know what im talking about. Its fine... I got around 35-40 fps in some demanding games...but not over 60fps.

 

[REXXEN]

@ devilantec99 ; the need is clear , the definition for many is different..
I had two 8800GTX in SLi , bought them 2 years back , the need became obvious when I started playing games @ higher resolutions..
My 8800GTX in SLi , was horrible in Crysis , I honestly dont know how a single 8800GT is satisfactory or even capable of dealing with Crysis.
Very High with a 8800GT !!!
I'm sure it can run it but @ what frames..

Again , as long as ur happy , I'm happy..
But in my case , applying AA and AF @ 1080p res , stresses the GPU alot..
Fallout 3 @ full settings @ 1080 is heavy , not very heavy but it is heavy..
And playing a game like that without performance drops is extremely satisfactory..
Same goes for Far Cry 2 , same goes for Deadspace , same goes for Mass Effect , Stalker , Fear , Brothers in Arms etc