City or Liana or Rolla Gli

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fawad

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well, new corolla sales are higher than city, partially because you can't fit CNG kit on city :D

I honestly dunno which one to choose. personally, I'd go for city as I'm a honda fan. but corolla is a good car too. don't go for liana, piece of crap.

and petrol engine has more acceleration than diesel :) no doubt diesel has far more BTU figures than petrol but it's not meant for acceleration.
 
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vyrus

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^ Only reason diesel cars arent faster than petrol ones is because how heavy the diesel engine is. Not to mention the size.
 

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@Vyrus.... look at this

Now you can see... that Gasoline's (Petrol) is one top.
CNG kittls are only fitted in Patrol Engine, they cant work with Diesel Engine because they are designed to work only with the Petrol.
Petrol > CNG > Diesel

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^ Only reason diesel cars arent faster than petrol ones is because how heavy the diesel engine is. Not to mention the size.
On this... I agree with you totally :D
 

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CNG kittls are only fitted in Patrol Engine, they cant work with Diesel Engine because they are designed to work only with the Petrol.
Petrol > DIESEL > CNG

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On this... I agree with you totally :D
Corrected. Oh and yeah you got me there :D ! Maybe thats the high octane one ? Secondly, man who says cng cant be fitted on diesel engines ? Well say hello to the Local Yellow coaches. Theres this CNG pump near my school (beaconhouse, the stupid korangi branch lol) and whenever im gettin the gas filled from there, i always see DIESEL COACHES and Buses getting CNG filled I SWEAR! Most people dont know this, but its true. CNG can be fitted on Diesel engines.
 

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Corrected. Oh and yeah you got me there :D ! Maybe thats the high octane one ? Secondly, man who says cng cant be fitted on diesel engines ? Well say hello to the Local Yellow coaches. Theres this CNG pump near my school (beaconhouse, the stupid korangi branch lol) and whenever im gettin the gas filled from there, i always see DIESEL COACHES and Buses getting CNG filled I SWEAR! Most people dont know this, but its true. CNG can be fitted on Diesel engines.
o_O Where????
Diesel fitting with CNG ...
can anyone confirm this???

& Vyrus.... i am sorry but CNG > Diesel.
CNG's combustion is much lower than Petrol & Diesel, and one can travel more distance in 1KG CNG as compared to 1Liter Petrol/Diesel.
 

SpEeDyZ

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Diesel has more combustion bro
, hence more acceleration than petrol
wow dude that just shows your knowledge about cars .. no offence :/

Petrol has greater acceleration and yeah I have practically tested that :p

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and to the author of this topic if you want to go for Rolla then go for the older model because the new one is shit yeah plain brown shit
 
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^ Diesel has more combustion bro :), hence more acceleration than petrol ... Oh and yes Corolla is ALOT better than City, what a pathetic shape honda came up with ! 12 lakhs WASTED !
WHAT?!!!!!!! Diesel has more combustion??? If by combustion you mean more energy per unit volume then you are wrong.Petrol has the highest energy per unit volume of any fuel and thus produces the greatest "bang".For the same sized engine,a petrol engine is more powerful then a diesel engine.The only reason that diesel engines are more powerful is because of the high compression ratios you can incorporate in a diesel engine because one does not have to worry about auto ignition,the greater the compression ratios the greater can be the size of the engine in order to incorporate parts which withstand the high pressures.The higher the compression ratios the greater the efficiency of the engine.And the diesel cannot,for the life of it beat petrol unless a diesel engine were to transcend the laws of thermodynamics.
 
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SpEedYZ said:
and to the author of this website if you want to go for Rolla then go for the older model because the new one is shit yeah plain brown shit
o_O INF3RNO :|

Grimr3eaper said:
WHAT?!!!!!!! Diesel has more combustion??? If by combustion you mean more energy per unit volume then you are wrong.Petrol has the highest energy per unit volume of fuel and thus produces greater the highest power.For the same sized engine,a petrol engine is more powerful then a diesel engine.The only reason that diesel engines are more powerful is because of the high compression ratios you can incorporate in a diesel engine because one does not have to worry about auto ignition.The higher the compression ratios the greater the efficiency of the engine.And the diesel cannot,for the life of it beat petrol unless the engine in your car somehow transcends the laws of thermodynamics.
Correct... that is why all Sports cars are on Partol :lol:
 

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Corrected. Oh and yeah you got me there :D ! Maybe thats the high octane one ? Secondly, man who says cng cant be fitted on diesel engines ? .
And yeah you are right about this bit,I personally saw a project which was dedicated to fitting a CNG system in a diesel engine.The biggest problem in it is the whole fuel pump in the diesel engine
 

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Diesel engines have very high compression ratios, not combustion. They do not have much horsepower ... but a lot of torque. A Lottttttttttttt of torque

If you aer going at 60 in 4th gear .. and you have a a petrol and diesel car, and you push the gas in the same gear ... the diesel will leave the petrol in dust until the petrol car revvs up.

Diesels have LOW end torque, excellent for city driving. But in Pakistan, the only diesel u get is the patehtic 2C Corolla, a 70s engine. So here, unless your looking for an econo sub 2 lakh car (sprinter diesel converted or a fiat uno or charade/starlet diesel)... dont get a diesel.

The Corolla DIESEL is teh most pathetic car that you can buy today. A 1970s diesel piece of crap sold at a price of 20 lakh! Common rail diesel engines are epic ... perform pretty good, good economy too. But those cant work on our diesel which has a high sulphur content.

Fun fact, the 24hrs Lemans was won last time by the Audi DIESELs. Their economy made them pit a lot later than other cars.

CNG Diesel kits are available. But they still use a bit of diesel for combustion. Unlike petorl engine, diesels dont have spark plugs. The combustion occurs due to diesel being compressed to a ratio of 22:1 (usually) ... so when using CNG, you need a lil diesel for a spark!

I personally would say a good tuned petrol car can be economical. Ive gotten close to 16km/l out of a manual vitz and honda city i-dsi. Properly tuned and driven with a lgiht foot. 15 from 2001 city.

DIesel is a lot better than CNG. And if you need a choti car (mehran khyber) ... keeping a diesel one is a lot better than CNG. You wont have any problems driving in teh city with a/c on 5 people in car climbing bridge etc!
 
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o_O INF3RNO :|


Correct... that is why all Sports cars are on Partol :lol:
Not really,if you take a look at the successful Audi Le Mans car it was a diesel.Infact,it was so successful that they had to force it's retirement.My point was that what vyrus was saying made absolutely no sense.
 

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Not really,if you take a look at the successful Audi Le Mans car it was a diesel.Infact,it was so successful that they had to force it's retirement.My point was that what vyrus was saying made absolutely no sense.
Well that was Le Mans series cars thus Top Notch & we cant talk about them when we are talking about leetle cars like Supra, Evo, Corolla, Civic ...
& I guess we all are slipping from the original topic so we should stop now :)
 

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But in Pakistan, the only diesel u get is the patehtic 2C Corolla, a 70s engine. So here, unless your looking for an econo sub 2 lakh car (sprinter diesel converted or a fiat uno or charade/starlet diesel)... dont get a diesel.

The Corolla DIESEL is teh most pathetic car that you can buy today. A 1970s diesel piece of crap sold at a price of 20 lakh!
WHAT THE FUCK ? Do you know how successful 2.0D and 2.0D Saloon have been ? Man sometimes people just get over the line ! Jesus ! Go ask any showroom owner you know how successful 2.0D is! AND it gives the BEST mileage in all the cars in its category !
 

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Its been real interesting ppl,I ve made up my mind for city 09.
Thnx for advice.And rolla fans dnt get sentimental,its also a nice car with small tities lmao!!roflol!!!

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Nt to mention a hard to drag ass....
 

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WHAT THE FUCK ? Do you know how successful 2.0D and 2.0D Saloon have been ? Man sometimes people just get over the line ! Jesus ! Go ask any showroom owner you know how successful 2.0D is! AND it gives the BEST mileage in all the cars in its category !
Ahsan is absolutely right, the Diesel engine is an extremely outdated one ...

Your statements are amusing, ofcourse it's sold well, that's because diesel was significantly cheaper than petrol. These days prices are the same, so an idiot would buy a diesel car nowadays. I repeat, only an idiot would buy it now.

Showroom owners will defend thier cars, what do u expect them to say. Yeah it's an overcharged piece of shit but please buy it, we have alot of them and well no place to put them. The suzuki cars sell the most, next thing u know you'll tell me that the FX, mehran, cultus and alto are amazing cars. Sure they give good mileage and are cheap ( in more ways than one ). Suzuki cars are pathetic and seriously not worth even half of what they ask. The cuore is perhaps the best small car.

Out of his choices he made the best one, City is better than the other cars.
 

vyrus

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^ Urghh dude, the Farooq motors and World auto owners are my dads buddies. They wont tell him that coz they wanna sell lol. Secondly, I didnt mean that Diesel cars are bad, what i was saying is that 2.0D saloon is the ONLY good DIESEL car here. Others are crap, that is IF there is any in its leage. Secondly 2.0D gives excellent mileage aswell. Best bang for the buck !
 

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With diesel being the same price as petrol, diesel cars are shit now. even your precious 2.0D... anyone buying that car now needs to get his head examined.
 
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