Azadi march lookout thread - PTI calls off dharna

[TheRaja]

media is saying the govt was informed by the security intelligence agencies about something big going to happen in Peshawar .. how about that? this rabbit whole goes deep lad..

leave the blame game and act as a nation as a Pakistani.

Uncle G army ky schools and buildings par army ki apni security hoti hai. Government ka army ky muamlat main PAWA role bhi nahi hota. Rabit hole lol you are genius, you know deep.

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Keep dreaming, maybe they are in politics but not in intelligence.


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ISI pakistan i said, any doubts? I hope you to be realistic and not compare it with some organization whose budget is larger than whole of pakistan.

 

[Wolfy]

^well I cant do much other than putting you in my ignore list son... you have an incurable disease but I tried atleast.

 

[TheRaja]

^ please ask someone who knows. Don't assume things.

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Please visit some APS school and see the security personals and management.

 

[TheRaja]

I went to APS school near kachehri, RWP for admission of my nephew. I saw and observed that the school was completely managed by Army.

 

[Saadio]

@TheRaja Your information is incorrect, there are security personals like "chowkidar" which are mostly retire army personal, ranging from 1to3 or more, which are only on gates.

Uncle G army ky schools and buildings par army ki apni security hoti hai. Government ka army ky muamlat main PAWA role bhi nahi hota. Rabit hole lol you are genius, you know deep.

Why would army have security for a school in the cantonment? There is no security in the form of army personals as I said before. Plus the government involvement your talking about...I think you know nothing, so better pray for those who have been martyred, rather than presenting your stupid analysis.

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I went to APS school near kachehri, RWP for admission of my nephew. I saw and observed that the school was completely managed by Army.

That is a rare case only because there is GHQ near by and it is targeted in the past.

 

[TheRaja]

@TheRaja Your information is incorrect, there are security personals like "chowkidar" which are mostly retire army personal, ranging from 1to3 or more, which are only on gates.


Why would army have security for a school in the cantonment? There is no security in the form of army personals as I said before. Plus the government involvement your talking about...I think you know nothing, so better pray for those who have been martyred, rather than presenting your stupid analysis.

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That is a rare case only because there is GHQ near by and it is targeted in the past.

Please grow up and don't comment without knowledge. Those chowkidaars are hired by Army and not govt. Army Doctors were on the round when APS peshawar was attacked. There are dozens of school which are near GHQ which have no security but just private guards. Thinking GHQ is in RWP doesnt mean its close to APS. open the map and your brain and see wheres is fort road and where is GHQ.
Yaha sab hi einstine hain, jo socha post kar diya.

 

[prohyper]

ISI pakistan i said, any doubts? I hope you to be realistic and not compare it with some organization whose budget is larger than whole of pakistan.

I'm not the one who's saying our intelligence agency is the best, you're comparing it with others. I'm just saying when these animals are planning this attack our ISI is giving Intel that something big gonna happen. Is that there job to say something is gonna happens, even a little kid can tell something is gonna happen in a reaction of operation zarb-e-azab.

Also Army don't provide security for APS at least in Peshawar.
There are four sides of APS Peshawar, two sides are covered with army offices so 2 to 3 army posts are there, 3rd side is covered with fuji foundation school there is only a single wall between APS and fuji foundation school and that side is with defense area so there are presence of army and police but on the 4th wall there is a road across that there is a grave yard and that road leads to tehkkal and some kachi abadi, and in general the area is not safe. No check post on that road. Terrorist used that side


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[Lord AvaLon]

No matter how illogical the arguments of Raja sb, I completely agree with him that Police cannot tinker with the security of army run buildings and APS is one of them. In most of the cities APS is situated in Cantonment areas which is completely sealed and no person, no matter if policeman has access, let alone provide security.
Though the 18th amendment renders internal security a matter of provincial matter but as of yet no security policy is defined / developed by NACTA and no additional budget is allocated for the internal city. Police plays the role of mainly serving the politicians as their body guards.

 

[Blastwave]

Imran Khan did the mature thing and handled the situation like a responsible citizen and leader.

Ganja haramkhor on the other hand is still blabbering about crap

 

[GloriousChicken]

I'm not the one who's saying our intelligence agency is the best, you're comparing it with others. I'm just saying when these animals are planning this attack our ISI is giving Intel that something big gonna happen. Is that there job to say something is gonna happens, even a little kid can tell something is gonna happen in a reaction of operation zarb-e-azab.

Also Army don't provide security for APS at least in Peshawar.
There are four sides of APS Peshawar, two sides are covered with army offices so 2 to 3 army posts are there, 3rd side is covered with fuji foundation school there is only a single wall between APS and fuji foundation school and that side is with defense area so there are presence of army and police but on the 4th wall there is a road across that there is a grave yard and that road leads to tehkkal and some kachi abadi, and in general the area is not safe. No check post on that road. Terrorist used that side


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Eitherway, you have it completetly wrong of ISI Being in politics.
They know more than you'll ever do.
Keep jelly boy.

Quit your hating or is that all your good for like Sinnersaint?

 

[prohyper]

Eitherway, you have it completetly wrong of ISI Being in politics.
They know more than you'll ever do.
Keep jelly boy.

Quit your hating or is that all your good for like Sinnersaint?

I don't hate ISI, it's my country's intelligence agency it is here to protect us. I just want it to be better.
Of course they know everything(most of it), you seriously are not comparing an Institute with a single person.
We all are feeling guilty in one way or another because we all are responsible what is happening in our country.
As far as army's involvement in politics well that's a long debate and this is not the place but I just wanna say most of this is because of our politicians and there selfishness.


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[opethian]

there r 28 intelligence agencies including ISI between ministry of defense n interior ministry.
how america is fighting n is successful in fighting this war
1. not only american soldiers r fighting it, whole nation is with them (majority is)
2. whole nation provides intel to their security n intelligence sources not just one organization
3. despite having religious diversity n ethnicity, they have one policy against terrorism
4. they keep the danger away from their soil through various wrong n ugly means n no one questions them in their country
5. despite so much hatred in whole world against them, they do whats necessary to achieve their goals

@The Raja it was Syrian army general thanks for helping me refresh it. [MENTION=6068]Ottoman[/MENTION] u can google for this "rant" its available on line in natgeo n history channel archives n pakistani literature on 1965 n 71 wars.

 

[abobobilly]

So people raising questions about our "not-so-Islamic" parties not condemning the attack, but when i come forward with a 'far fetched' thought, i am a psychopath with sick thoughts. lol. Children. :tv: Little do these people know, the kind of sh*t which goes on behind their back, whenever "Governments" are involved.

Sure i can't raise my finder "Directly" on Govt, almost certainly because of lack of evidence, but almost all the available ones are going against Govt's favor. Even if they are not "directly" involved in such an incident, they were fully involved, indirectly ... by:
- not issuing funds to NACTA
- not adhering to Intelligence warnings a few days before the attack
- rupturing their image via Model Town, and Faisalabad killings etc

Also, whenver Governments are involved, we NEVER see any evidence. As a 'public' we are always kept in the dark, or rather, in a fabricated truth or simulated environment.

If anyone thinks its a ridiculous thought, please do. I can't put a full stop to your thoughts. But its called thinking outside of the box. And if you think Shareef bros can't do such a thing, refer to Model Town, Faisalabad killings etc. ANYTHING is expected from these people, when we are talking "power". (Still confused? Try finding the killer of Benazir :tv

 

[abobobilly]

[MENTION=10825]Wolfy[/MENTION]! Actually, your thoughts give a new perspective to this whole thing. I really failed to notice any Army involvement, but i had my guesses right, which was only limited to Army "initiating" the dialogues, and may also include pushing Imran Khan to end Dharna.

Now, we'll have to see how Government is going to react in this situation. Order of dead penalty is issued, but there is still zero progress with it "in practice". I am not sure if Judiciary will be accompanying current Government with this, but it'd interesting to see how Shareef reacts to this.

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Oh btw, wasn't Election Tribunal going to issue audited results of NA-125 on 15th? Or am i mistaken? Whats the progress on that?

 

[armada]

Nawaz sherif did this rana sanaullah mustache man is the mastermind

 

[abobobilly]

Some very very tough questions and realities posed by Faisal Raza Abdi. I feel bad because i am also one of those who silently dissed this person, but he has some really credible points about imposing Martial Law. Personally, i would take a Martial Law any day over this "democrazy".

Khabar Roze Ki - 18th December 2014

 

[Ranger Taffles]

I tend to stay away from political threads such as these. But holy shit at some people actually believing N-league leaders, RAW and Mossad agents are behind the Peshawar tragedy. That's the most retarded apologist excuse I've come across. Have some self-evaluation of yourselves.

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And for those thinking that N-league and the govt. have greatly benefited from the attack are also horribly wrong. For instance lifting the moratorium is a huge blowback to trade deals with EU (GSP status). That's just a fact-based example. There's also HRCP and many other institutes that will be affected from this.

Also what's even the point of this thread now that the dharna has been called off? Might as well rename it to "Bash Against Govt. and Politics Thread".

 

[Ottoman]

And for those thinking that N-league and the govt. have greatly benefited from the attack are also horribly wrong. For instance lifting the moratorium is a huge blowback to trade deals with EU (GSP status). That's just a fact-based example. There's also HRCP and many other institutes that will be affected from this.

Everybody knows it's a temporary move. Otherwise a lot of convicted criminals belonging to political parties will be executed. And the Sharif government doesn't have the balls to go ahead with it.

Also what's even the point of this thread now that the dharna has been called off? Might as well rename it to "Bash Against Govt. and Politics Thread".

Thread will be closed when we consider it appropriate. It's already on its last legs.

 

[abobobilly]

And for those thinking that N-league and the govt. have greatly benefited from the attack are also horribly wrong. For instance lifting the moratorium is a huge blowback to trade deals with EU (GSP status). That's just a fact-based example. There's also HRCP and many other institutes that will be affected from this.

There is a difference in "Announcing" it and "ACTING" on it. Also, even if they proceed with just ONE hanging, it won't change a thing because there are THOUSANDS of people awaiting.

That said, you may not remember Modi giving "clear" threat to Pakistan about hurting them. Nawaz didn't say a thing back then, and won't say anything right now. Its just a Drama, at best. Unless we see some "clear policies" against terrorism, and "VOCAL" condemnation, i won't pay any attention to current Government's moves.

About the "N-Govt not receiving any benefit", all the 'current' and 'past' evidences go against Shareef Govt. What will happen in future, you will see. Since all the Media's attention is diverted towards "Peshawar Incident", i am sure Shareef Govt will try to sign even more deals in the background, to earn kick-backs and stuff. So if anything, this situation won't effect Pakistan, but 'might' affect their PERSONAL dealings. (You can keep living in denial, thinking that all the current development projects are 'for the people', and those trade deals are actually for 'Pakistan'.).

Also what's even the point of this thread now that the dharna has been called off? Might as well rename it to "Bash Against Govt. and Politics Thread".

Dharna is only "suspended" temporarily, seeing the political situation go extremely sour at this time. At this moment, ALL the responsibility lies on PML-N Govt's shoulders. If they fail to set up a Judicial Commission as asked by Imran Khan (which they will try to delay as much as they can), all guns will be pointing on them. And don't forget Imran Khan might return to Dharna again, after dust settles. Right now, its bigger than just Imran Khan and N-League.

 

[Blackbeard]

But holy shit....., RAW and Mossad agents are behind the Peshawar tragedy. That's the most retarded apologist excuse I've come across.

Entire world knows who created terrorist groups like ttp and isis.Do you live in a cave or something? seriously.