Playstation Valve and John Carmack term PS3 a diaster

[radd]

whats with the dreamcast refrences ? are you RETARTED ? miscrosoft has a working capital of 12 billion , they are not sega.

 

[devilscallmedad]

er.. and thats what we're saying isnt it, its just a bit hard to develope for, its not a disaster as valve would want you to believe lol.. all new consoles are hard to developer for, whats the big deal eh ? the PS2 was hard to develope for and look how bad it did after all those years lol

No they are not, i didn't hear much about the 360 or wii. The ps2 was hard to develop fro but this is PS3 Next gen what happened before doesn't matter.

actually no it was second to the PS1, similar to how the 360 is still second to the PS2 in terms of sales lol, the PS2 had an absolute disaster of a launch.

Whoever told you that was wrong, the PS2 sold 1 million in japan in its first 2 days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

Yet, the PS2 initially sold well partly on the basis of the strength of the PlayStation brand and its backward compatibility, selling over 900,000 units in the first weekend in Japan. This allowed the PS2 to tap the large install base established by the PlayStation

By the time PS2 launched in US, the dreamcast had already stopped selling, it had already stopped selling in japan since March the ps2 launch.

It's about the games and about how Sony will support their third party partners

I think Valve and ID are third party developers who don't seem happy with their support and the fact that PS3 is at the moment the worst selling console in the competition and 360 the best really doesn't leave any room for dreamcast comparisons.

 

[Chandoo]

whats with the dreamcast refrences ? are you RETARTED ? miscrosoft has a working capital of 12 billion , they are not sega.

thanks for the encouraging comments radd..

Whoever told you that was wrong, the PS2 sold 1 million in japan in its first 2 days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

Yet, the PS2 initially sold well partly on the basis of the strength of the PlayStation brand and its backward compatibility, selling over 900,000 units in the first weekend in Japan. This allowed the PS2 to tap the large install base established by the PlayStation

By the time PS2 launched in US, the dreamcast had already stopped selling, it had already stopped selling in japan since March the ps2 launch.

honestly devil do you really think that the N64 was the second best selling console to the ps2 ? thats just way too beyond a lol.

I think Valve and ID are third party developers who don't seem happy with their support and the fact that PS3 is at the moment the worst selling console in the competition and 360 the best really doesn't leave any room for dreamcast comparisons.

again, given the same time frame the ps3 has outsold the xbox 360, your comparing sales of a console which has had a 1 year headstart to one launched a month and half ago. It would be more understandable that valve or ID (ID's a lot less actually) are not getting to grips with the ps3 hardware because they're just not that talented. Squre enix, konami, capcom etc are all making future killer aps for the ps3 as we speak and you dont see them Abuses will lead to baning about the hardware they're working with calling it a disaster and whatnot do you.

No they are not, i didn't hear much about the 360 or wii. The ps2 was hard to develop fro but this is PS3 Next gen what happened before doesn't matter.

actually it sort of does, isnt that the whole point of my freaking history lessons ? ps2 was hard to develop for but it still rose to the top of its generation because of its games and eventually developers did find out easier developement methods, took a little time thats all.

 

[devilscallmedad]

honestly devil do you really think that the N64 was the second best selling console to the ps2 ? thats just way too beyond a lol.

err. i was talking about the absolute diaster of ps2 launch, 1 million in 2 days doesn't seem a diaster to me.
From Wikipedia

In April 1999, Sony announced its PlayStation 2, designed to be backwards-compatible with the older PlayStation. The actual release of the PS2 was not until March 2000 in Japan, and late October 2000 in the US. Sony's press release, despite being a year ahead of the launch of the PS2, was enough to divert a lot of attention from Sega. With the looming PS2 launch in Japan, the Dreamcast was largely ignored in that territory. The Dreamcast had great initial success in the US, but had trouble maintaining this momentum after news of the PS2's release.

The dreamcast stopped selling everywhere after the PS2 launch was announced in March in Japan and Nov in US.

again, given the same time frame the ps3 has outsold the xbox 360, your comparing sales of a console which has had a 1 year headstart to one launched a month and half ago. It would be more understandable that valve or ID (ID's a lot less actually) are not getting to grips with the ps3 hardware because they're just not that talented. Squre enix, konami, capcom etc are all making future killer aps for the ps3 as we speak and you dont see them Abuses will lead to baning about the hardware they're working with calling it a disaster and whatnot do you.

Calling Vlave and ID talentless WOW that's a first, they say bad things about the ps3 and suddenly the developers of Half Life become talentless. This is too much to take in at once.......................sigh.
Konami( Kojima ) have said the ps3 is difficult to work and that if he says too much kutragi won't be too happy? Square Enix president ( or some other guy ) said that if they try port FFXI to the PS3 it would take years or something?
All these comments seem to be saying the same thing just in different words.

 

[Chandoo]

err. i was talking about the absolute diaster of ps2 launch, 1 million in 2 days doesn't seem a diaster to me.

the ps2 launch was a disaster from a different POV , not strictly sales, even though the ps3 has outsold that as well, the ps2 had a very shakey start because in its launch it had some really crappy PS1 quality games, plenty of malfunctioning units, developers whining about how it was so difficult to work with and a lack of proper online support (which the dreamcast already had with awesome games like phantasy star universe)

Calling Vlave and ID talentless WOW that's a first, they say bad things about the ps3 and suddenly the developers of Half Life become talentless. This is too much to take in at once.......................sigh.
Konami( Kojima ) have said the ps3 is difficult to work and that if he says too much kutragi won't be too happy? Square Enix president ( or some other guy ) said that if they try port FFXI to the PS3 it would take years or something?
All these comments seem to be saying the same thing just in different words.

hasnt the kojima thing been covered enough lol, he followed that comment with another usual one, that the ps3 is hard to work with but so was the ps2 when it was new.

And im not calling valve and id talentless in general, valve specially is very new to console gaming and the ps3 architecture is obviously much different to a very PC-similar xbox 360 setup hence they are not getting accustomed to it.

here's the thing, i think valve just say that the ps3 is bad because they're having troubles porting half life 2 to it, thats just what i think.

As for Square, i dont recall any statement like that from them and even if there is obviously it'll take some time to optimize the code to utilize the ps3, but for now they seem to be doing one hell of a job with their two primary final fantasy games with a whole lot less Abuses will lead to baning then anyone else. Even then it'd be useless because the ps2 version of FFXI is perfectly playable (online) on a PS3 as well.

 

[devilscallmedad]

And that's what i am saying, its a universal fact that the ps3 is hard to develop for everyone uses different language to describe that and just saying the ps2 was hard to develop for or the dreamcast was easy to work with doesn't make anything right. Sony should have made better dev tools and developer support- End

 

[Chandoo]

no actually thats just the wrong way to end this, the fact is that valve's comment on calling the ps3 a disaster just goes to show their inexperience with consoles in general, other developers say its hard but thats just it, they dont Abuses will lead to ban about it till high heavens.

Hence, the point is that the ps3 is hard to work with but thats not a big issue, SO was the ps2, the last of sony's consoles. Sony obviously makes their hardware with some issues on their minds lol.

thats how you end a topic.

 

[devilscallmedad]

Hence, the point is that the ps3 is hard to work with but thats not a big issue, SO was the ps2, the last of sony's consoles. Sony obviously makes their hardware with some issues on their minds lol.

Again you are saying that bad dev tools is a good thing? WOW its like you can't admit that sony has done something wrong. You are pretty much saying that they shouldn't make good dev tools.
Simply i am asking should they have made good dev tools or not?

 

[Chandoo]

Again you are saying that bad dev tools is a good thing? WOW its like you can't admit that sony has done something wrong. You are pretty much saying that they shouldn't make good dev tools.
Simply i am asking should they have made good dev tools or not?

define good or bad dev tools for me please, here's the thing, sony's devtools seem to be going fine with the majority of japanese developers and the majority of american developers seem to be having issues with me..

i dont think its a question of 'are sony's developer tools bad' , its just a question of how soon a team can get a hang of it. And its not like sony's developer tools will remain the way they are for ever.

 

[radd]

WOW its like you can't admit that sony has done something wrong

for how long have you been around here devil

ps2 got away with stuff because it sold a shitload , like 360 is getting away with charging for online because its miles better than psn.

how to end the thread ? ps isnt a 'disater' but it is the most difficult to develop for and with their back against the wall already in terms of sales thats not good for sony.

 

[Chandoo]

whats with the sales pitches lol, hasnt it been made clear enough that the ps3 in the same time frame has already outsold the 360 in the US , and in japan its a no contest between the two..

honestly..

 

[radd]

360 sold 1.7m in nov and dec. ps3 sold around 800k.

dont live in the past.

 

[Chandoo]

i was referring to their launch times smarty lol.. and in their respective launch times the ps3 has easily outsold the 360 despite the severe hardware shortages and all.

 

[devilscallmedad]

i was referring to their launch times smarty lol.. and in their respective launch times the ps3 has easily outsold the 360 despite the severe hardware shortages and all.

Actually NO, The xbox360 PS3 launch has sold less than the 360 worldwide.
In US the 360 sold 600K in 5 weeks and PS3 sold 690K in 7 weeks, difference in launch period.

 

[radd]

besides , do you disagree with this ?

ps2 got away with stuff because it sold a shitload , like 360 is getting away with charging for online because its miles better than psn.

consoles that are launched early always get away with stuff.

as for the sales , lets suppose that devil is wrong , even then ps3 outselling the 360 launch isnt impressive. 360 was the first nextgen console. released when currentgen was alive and kicking and not many people want to upgrade.

 

[Chandoo]

Actually NO, The xbox360 PS3 launch has sold less than the 360 worldwide.
In US the 360 sold 600K in 5 weeks and PS3 sold 690K in 7 weeks, difference in launch period.

even though all the websites are referring to it as the ps3 outselling the 360 in the US in a similar timeframe, as for worldwide, japan is a no contest and the ps3 hasnt even launched in the EU. We'll see then..

consoles that are launched early always get away with stuff.

dreamcast anyone ?.

as for the sales , lets suppose that devil is wrong , even then ps3 outselling the 360 launch isnt impressive. 360 was the first nextgen console. released when currentgen was alive and kicking and not many people want to upgrade.

and that's supposed to be impressive how ? the 360 still trails behind the ps2 in terms of sales, so thats that. It may have outsold the xbox and cube but then again those two consoles were officially dead from the start of 2006.

 

[Chandoo]

btw devil, ps3 came out november 17th and the 360 came out november 22nd in the US each. The article about ps3's launch outselling the 360 launch is for US only.

2 weeks ?
Hmm..

 

[devilscallmedad]

btw devil, ps3 came out november 17th and the 360 came out november 22nd in the US each. The article about ps3's launch outselling the 360 launch is for US only.

2 weeks ?
Hmm..

Make it 6 weeks then i mistook Nov 11 to be the US launch. Seems pretty even stevens to me 690 in 6, 600 in 5

 

[Chandoo]

its even less then a week technically, anyway i dont see what the big arguement here is, the ps3 outsold the 360 in their respective times after US launch. Thats that. No need to raise a 40 post arguement over that.

 

[USUF]

PS3 might not be a total disaster...we still have to wait for this holiday season when the PS3 may truly shine...or may be the next