MULTI Unreal Engine 5 Revealed - Fortnite PS5/XBSX UE5 Announced - Digital Foundry Breakdown Video

[Necrokiller]

ab doosre members ko tag karein to feeble fanboys ko issue hota hai (lmao)

gotta hide world streaming somehow

Stop shitposting man :hah:

They literally brought up a free cam in the beginning of the demo to close up on the ground to show the detail and textures lol

Lets see if actual games can avoid the current gen trappings and have a meaningful difference w.r.t. gameplay. As it stands, this demo doesn't give any idea for gameplay possibilities (yes even the ending lol) as it was literally just one character moving in a straight line between static geometry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Necrokiller]

Why do you believe this statement from Sweeney is incorrect? Prove him wrong based on factual information.

This tweet wasn't even being discussed between Chandoo and myself. Direct Storage API is exactly meant for that. Even without that, Tim proved himself wrong when he said current NVMe SSDs can run the demo with "awesome performance". Not to mention Nanite also heavily depends on teraflop compute power (also in his own words), not just SSD, of which XSX and PC have more of.

"A number of different components are required to render at this level of detail," says Sweeney. "One is GPU performance and GPU architecture to draw an incredible amount of geometry. You're talking about a very large number of teraflops being required for this. The other is the ability to load and stream it efficiently."

If the other platforms couldn't even reach or sustain 30fps Sweeney wouldn't shy away from screaming that from the rooftops. UE5 is a multiplatform engine after all that Sweeney wants to be used everywhere, but the marketing partnership with Sony keeps him from going into detail about other platforms as of yet.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Direct Storage API is exactly meant for that.

Direct Storage only makes the software side of it more efficient. It does nothing to overcome the hardware-related hurdles Sweeney mentioned. After all, the API is only one part of XSX's velocity architecture, which also includes a hardware decompression block for further efficiency.

Tim proved himself wrong when he said current NVMe SSDs can run the demo with "awesome performance".

They probably do run it well, because the demo is likely to be far from maxing out the PS5's I/O throughput. I also expect the XSX to run it well. What people have been criticizing Sweeney for is his remark about the PS5's I/O system being ahead of what PCs can do today, because, as he explained quite well in his tweet, conventional ssd speeds are theoretical numbers that only represent data throughput from drive to kernel memory. What about gpu memory?

Not to mention Nanite also heavily depends on teraflop compute power (also in his own words), not just SSD, of which XSX and PC have more of.

Of course, all that geometry does need to be rendered at the end of the day. But that's why we have things like dynamic resolution and VRS to reduce gpu load during instances where compute performance peaks out. Much like with the mid-gen refresh consoles, the XSX's advantage will usually translate to a higher resolution.

If the other platforms couldn't even reach or sustain 30fps Sweeney wouldn't shy away from screaming that from the rooftops. UE5 is a multiplatform engine after all that Sweeney wants to be used everywhere, but the marketing partnership with Sony keeps him from going into detail about other platforms as of yet.

Multiplatform games will always work with all target platforms in consideration, but that doesn't mean a multiplatform engine can never take advantage of hardware features unique to a platform. It's the PS5 exclusives that will truly take advantage of its fast and efficient ssd, and the good news is that UE5 is equipped with the tools to make it happen, should some 1st-party studio wish to license it for their next game.

 

[Necrokiller]

They probably do run it well.

I also expect the XSX to run it well.

Then there is not much left to discuss here atm.

Sweeney for is his remark about the PS5's I/O system being ahead of what PCs can do today.

Which in itself is a stupid statement today because you can neither buy a PS5 today, neither is the engine itself ready for commercial games today, nor is any game coming out until 2022 based on it :lol:

 

[Chandoo]

Then there is not much left to discuss here atm.

Except shitting on Sweeny because he praised the PS5 apparently

 

[faraany3k]

He praised PS5 and than said Xbox X will be fully supported. They are shitposting themselves because of marketing deals. Suddenly the SSD that is driving PS5 so far ahead is fully applicable on rivals platform.

 

[Necrokiller]

He praised PS5 and than said Xbox X will be fully supported. They are shitposting themselves because of marketing deals.

Suckers gonna keep sucking up to him because hes cozying up with their favorite corporation

 

[faraany3k]

Sony and Epic deal is good for PC gaming aswell.He will ofcourse ask Sony for Epic Game Store exclusives

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[Chandoo]

we went from shitting on sweeny to agreeing with him again as soon as other platforms are mentioned on his twitter.

oh the transparency :wub:

 

[Necrokiller]

we went from Sweeney praising a demo "tailored for PS5" to stating the same demo runs on Series X and PCs of today

oh the back pedaling :wub:

 

[faraany3k]

we went from shitting on sweeny to agreeing with him again as soon as other platforms are mentioned on his twitter.

oh the transparency :wub:

No we are still shitting on these corporate ramblings. Ofcourse Xbox X has more teraflops (a term coined by Sony to give positive spin to PS4 pro). So this is sort of Sony's reply.

I mean PC tech especially storage tech is not driven by how it plays video games. SSD was available back in 2010. But since we have few Sony Corporate Enthusiasts here, let this marketing shenanigans commence.

Everyone is going to sell the PCs and start buying PS5 because how advanced its SSD is hehe. Maybe Google will install PS5 instead in thier data centers.

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[Necrokiller]

Sweeney before:

"PS5 SecretSauceDrive is amazing, look at the demo we created for it"

Sweeney a few days later:

"Demo fully supported on Series X and runs awesome on PCs of today"

 

[faraany3k]

What are the biggest Unreal Engine games on PS? I think they are trying to shed that XBOX label because of all the Gears of War partnership.

Too bad they do not have any real games to show off. At this point last gen, I thought Sony had Killzone Demos available.

Remember the Killzone hype by Sony fanboys lol. It was like the second coming of Jesus. I play pretty shitty games sometimes, but Killzone was so bad I left it half way. And it was like 7 hour long game.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Suddenly the SSD that is driving PS5 so far ahead is fully applicable on rivals platform.

That's likely because the I/O system that's driving the ps5 didn't come close to hitting its max throughput. How else would it work on XSX, with less than half the throughput. The demo was not meant to show off ps5 specific features.

The reason Epic chose the ps5 to demo UE5 was because of their deal with Sony and also because:

 

[faraany3k]

That's likely because the I/O system that's driving the ps5 didn't come close to hitting its max throughput. How else would it work on XSX, with less than half the throughput. The demo was not meant to show off ps5 specific features.

The reason Epic chose the ps5 to demo UE5 was because of their deal with Sony and also because:

So the simpler language is, he was testing the performance on most efficient hardware available to him. I hope it dramatically improves the performance on Sony console in future. But I doubt any first party developer from Sony is even using UE. In the end all this potential is like the Cell processor from PS3 age. Lot more juice for devs compared to XBOX, but economics will never let the developers fully utilize all the extra bandwidth.

 

[CerebralTiger]

A few first-party games did use UE4, such as Days Gone and Concrete Genie, but most have their own engine. Decima is likely to already be next-gen ready with features similar to that of UE5.

 

[Necrokiller]

4A Engine was next-gen last year. Quixel megascans that are seen in this demo and ray taced GI that is vastly superior to Lumen lol

 

[FlAmEsWoRd]

im not a hater of any console or pc but i dont know why people are naming it "PS5 graphics" when its clearly a engine which means every game made on that engine will look like that. What does PS5 has to do anything with that ?

 

[Chandoo]

A few first-party games did use UE4, such as Days Gone and Concrete Genie, but most have their own engine. Decima is likely to already be next-gen ready with features similar to that of UE5.

BRB, breaking my roza imagining the next-gen version of the Naughty Dog engine.

TLoU 2 looks borderline next-gen as it is.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Quixel megascans that are seen in this demo and ray taced GI that is vastly superior to Lumen lol

lol Nanite doesn't mean just using Quixel megascans. Also, a lot of current-gen games use them. The advertised list of partners on the front page of their official site doesn't even mention 4A Games lol.

As for ray-traced lighting, it may be more physically correct, but the quality of lighting here is ahead of that seen in other engines. In the end, that's what matters.

TLoU 2 looks borderline next-gen as it is.

Agreed, especially in the animation department. It's a step above the quality of animations seen in other story-driven single-player games, even those that have used motion matching.

A lot of people use screenshots alone to judge visuals, but that's only half of what determines it. How it looks in motion is also extremely important. Some of Metro Exodus' animations are laughably bad. But hey, "next-gen" lol.