The Cpu cooling Dilemma Explained (my own write-up) .. must read for everyone !!

shajeel

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pls read the whole of it guys...i'm sure it will benefit all of you... !







yeah installed as u suggested Core idle temps are still the same :S havent changed a single degree :S
u need a proper cooler to change the core temp fans wont do the work for you it can help decrease in chassis temp and its good for Gpu,Hdd,Rams, n mobo not for ur cpu
What i've noticed... from my experience... If i install 1 fan or 10 fans... Hell there is no temperature difference at all... If my room is cool so is my system... I've till date installed fans only for SHASHKAY...
lol, exactly same case with me.

Even high cfm fans dont help.


The fans that matter are processor cooler fans!

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General Cooling and Cpu Heatsinks






Here are some of the Recent comments I’ve heard people saying and i'm really bothered... I mean i get that all of you guys are worried sick about your rigs and are investing like crazy in Case Fans and Cpu Heatsinks and what not...just so ur stuff doesnt heat up and give out...cause lets face the fact… HEAT KILLS…well eventually…

THAT...Lads is the smart thing to do...but then i see almost all of you guys are not at all satisfied with ur cooling results...especially those people who already have some aftermarket chassis's with 1 or 2 fans already there and are thinking you wasted ur investment..

Well that is not at all the case... You guys are just Misinformed and thats all...there are weird ideas in ur minds so as to what cooling solution can or Must do...and i'd like to clear that up today...


Firstly people think that if they add a CPU cooler...Magically their temps will come down considerably...and ESPECIALLY MOST of you guys are more concerned about ur Idle temperatures whereas they carry no significance whatsoever in the real world.... pls accept this fact .

see everything begins with YOUR AMBIENT TEMPERATURES (room Temperature)...no matter what Cooling solution you add to ur rig...the temperatures ARE NOT gonna go below the ambients...not possible at all...simply because no cooling solution in the market has a compressor(like in an AC) or some sort of cooling mechanism within, that can magically reduce the temps Below Ambients ... Please Understand this Fact .

Now that these facts are cleared up....the Question arises that what can the Cooling Hardware actually provide us with? THAT my friends is the RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK ;)

see now Let me start with the Cpu Heatsinks or coolers (which in my opinion is the Wrong word for them, considering the scope of this article) as you would call them. The right word for them is CPU HEATSINKS.

Now what is a Heatsink ? According to the general Definition and "Answers.com"..

  1. An environment capable of absorbing heat from an object with which it is in thermal contact without a phase change or an appreciable change in temperature.
  2. A protective device that absorbs and dissipates the excess heat generated by a system.
Now as you can see a "Heatsink" Dissipates Excess heat Generated from a system...it doesn’t Cool anything down below ambient temperature but Dissipates the EXCESS heat from the Surface or device that it is in contact with or is cooling...

I hope that i have corrected some confusions so as to what a Cpu Heatsink is actually capable of and what to...in reality expect from them...

Now most of us can burn a hole in our wallet and go for the best possible CPU heatsink in the market. Some names like Thermalright Ultra Exteme 120, Cooler Master v8, Sunbeam CCF, Hyper Z600, Thermalright IFX-14, Megahalems come to my mind when we are out to purchase the best of the best.

Now what I should point out is that all of these are heatsinks and nothing more…the Manufacturers have worked hard engineering these marvelous designs out into the market for us consumers…all of them serve the same purpose..Dissipating heat…no matter they are active(with fan) or Passive ones.

So what differentiates them then? Their Design and, as a result EFFICIENCY in completing their task.

My whole point to this article is explaining and correcting dilemmas and redirecting your thoughts towards EFFICIENY, because that is what this field of cooling is all about !

Now what is efficiency? All of us can look up the dictionary definitions...but in simple words, its all about Maximizing the output of the machine or mechanism in question.

So all these CPU heatsinks differentiate in design, which in turn affects their efficiency to cool the processor. Now at what time does the processor need this cooling the most ? the time at which it is sitting idle or when it is fully loaded up processing god knows what ?

That’s right you know what the answer is…its when the processor is at LOAD.

Now you can try out all of these various giants in the CPU heatsink market…almost all of them will give similar Idle temperatures provided all other conditions are kept the same.

Where these will shine and actually differ from each other and prove themselves, is at the time of LOAD temperatures…again at a constant 100% load with a synthetic benchmarking software. This is where all of these will differ with the temps.. and this is where their design and efficiency comes into play… and this is where the competition begins..

That which of these can most efficiently cool the CPU…dissipating heat and give the LEAST temperature rise over the Ambient temperature.

And so if ur looking for only low numbers in the temperature scene then they will go lower(better) only in proportion to your Ambient temperatures…and that’s a given…so lower ur ambients if ur sooo worried....

And that EFFICIENCY is what you are investing for when you buy a top grade aftermarket CPU heatsink.

Even Water cooling solutions wont go below the ambient temperature unless the coolant is being cooled actively by some mechanism…

And these Water cooling setups are definitely more efficient than Cpu heatsinks… i.e they can Minimize the rise in temperature over ambients even more at LOAD scenario.

So its all about efficiency… and that’s what you shed your money for.

CASE FANS






Now coming onto the case fans. As you have seen above people find them of no use…that they are not giving them any temp drops in numbers…and that’s just sad.

Now all of you know that your PC Chassis(a standard chassis...no aftermarket stuff) is a closed environment in which ur components are running. Now as the components run and churn out heat its going to stay in the chassis and maybe when we’re lucky it will itself try to find its way out of the chassis.

Now can any of you rely simply on luck to cool ur components and extend their life ? I don’t think so.. so this is where the fans come into play.

So what case fans actually do is maintain a steady airflow throughout your case…and help your CPU heatsink and GPU cooler or any other heatsinks in the chassis for that matter, to perform their tasks at peak performance… because like I explained before a heatsink can only cool properly and give you good temperatures if the ambients are good…and performance will be proportional to ambient…lower ambients lower numbers(better).


I mean imagine you have a Thermalright Ultra extreme(TRUE) in ur chassis cooling the CPU…. And ur case has no fans whatsoever and even the panels are all closed…what kind of performance would you expect ? I think u can imagine that the temp reading will keep on getting higher and higher as the time proceeds when CPU is @ 100% load…

This is simply because the heatsink will keep using the air inside the case to dissipate heat from itself ..which will be warmer after every cycle…meaning the incase ambients will keep on rising hence having a negative effect on the performance of heatsinks…

So fans just maintain a proper airflow throughout the case providing fresh air for heatsinks and sucking out the warm air as it rises to the top of the case ( in rightly designed aftermarket chassis’s)…

Also having fans will most definitely improve ur LOAD temperatures because the CPU heatsink will work more efficiently…

Earlier I also said “guys are not at all satisfied with ur cooling results...especially those people who already have some aftermarket chassis” when they install fans in their chassis… well this is because most aftermarket casings eg the cm690 already have cooling optimizations such as meshed surfaces and cooling vents… this already helps keep the temperatures low….but rest assured that even for these guys the benefits of installing fans are there especially with the load temperatures of the components and these are the temperatures which actually matter.

How u place the fans and design ur airflow is upto you…you can aim for a Positive air pressure airflow(more intake less exhaust) or a negative air pressure airflow(less intake more exhaust)…each has their advantages and disadvantages… mostly negative air pressure is much better but it also brings with it a considerable amount of dust attracted towards the chassis… but results in better temperatures… so now one has to decide what they desire..a clean chassis or better temperatures ? though the dust issue can simply be solved by installing air filters…though these require weekly maintenance.


So I hope I cleared out some misconceptions today with this write-up…adding cooling solutions to our rigs has its advantages and we do experience those first hand… but most of us fail to understand the real places where they give us those advantages…and mostly end up disappointed or not completely satisfied with our purchase…

So remember...Knowledge is POWER :D

I hope I explained this right and that u found good use of it…

I know I aint active much these days..but I do try my best to help out… and this I, yet another of my big contributions to the community… !

Cheers…

Open to feedback boys….
 

shajeel

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lol sir nai nai....ghusa ne thori si inspiration di for this but nai this is purely for educational purposes ;) atleast it helps to get people on the right track :)
 

Pleasant

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Thanks for the Headsup !
Excellent Article !

LolL u Qouted our Replies :D LOL

so in short Correct me if im wrong somewhere

The on Load temp should be concrerned then the Idle temp and The Rise on Idle to Load temp shouldnt have Bigger gap for Effiecient Cooling

and For the Case Fans they helps Cooling mobo and Drive the excess heat produced by those stuff moreover it Helps in Components Life
 

shajeel

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^^^ exactly now ur on the right track :)

and AFQ...aapka test lena paray ga sir :p

@all....guys i had to quote ur replies...apnapan lagta hai na ;)

@totaloverdose...thanks buddy !
 

usmankh10

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yaaar shajeel sa koi ghalti sa panga la laa woh poora article likh chorta hai to prove other person wrong:p i remeber article about asus TA-M1 nd cm 690!!!nice piece of writing shajeel keep it up
 

shajeel

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yaaar shajeel sa koi ghalti sa panga la laa woh poora article likh chorta hai to prove other person wrong:p i remeber article about asus TA-M1 nd cm 690!!!nice piece of writing shajeel keep it up
duddayy its not about proving someone wrong....its about showing them the right path... atleast im doing that..warna some ppl jus tell the noobs to get lost when they ask something...

aur idher kisi ne panaga nai liye...

if u guys dont provoke me to ye knowledge kabi bahar na nikle ;) lets just say you guys are my MUSE ;)

@jadefox and cobran and mostwanted

thanks for the appreciation guys :)
 

c0d3r

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Nice writeup, but a bit illegible coz of all the small paras :( .. erformat it up a bit, and iut wud feel even more better :D .. honest suggestion :)
 

shajeel

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^^^ i know sir... it is all messed up a bit.. actually i was writing a casual reply..and before i knew it ..it turned into pages :S

i wrote this 3 days ago...didnt post cause wanted to format it...

didnt get time at all :( so posted it as is...

i hope it is atleast legible
 

OmMeE

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Arey bhai naaraaz kyuo hotay hain.. :p
I was just saying what i have experienced... i've got a HAF 932 with the stock fans and extra 2 fans... without the extra fans and with them, there is absolutely no drops even a single degree in temps... I just use them cuz i love fans :D
and my other system which is a dual core has just ONE REAR fan installed and nothing more. the side panel is also closed... still thats systems temperature and mine are almost the same.
Sorry to disappoint you but thanks for the article :)
 

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Very informative and simple with out using jargons and tech mafias' slang, I am very much impressed with this guy, he earlier constructed native based water cooling system, most amazingly he has not been awarded by PG. So sad
 

Pleasant

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Very informative and simple with out using jargons and tech mafias' slang, I am very much impressed with this guy, he earlier constructed native based water cooling system, most amazingly he has not been awarded by PG. So sad
Agreed ! He is the Man he Deserves much more !
 
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