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yes and im admitting that, you wont see me making lame excuses like "they're perfectionists thats why they recalled kojima" lol. He returned, because of his incompetent junior's plain and simple.

your turn to admit bungie messed up devil.
err....what :clap kojima says this will be the last MGS and its not whats the moral of the story? what devs say is not always true its dictated by PR lol you REALLY..... nothing
yeah like im going to waste so much time lol.. if it was that important there'd be an article about it wouldnt it.
you said it, no one thinks its important no one cares obviously except you
 

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err....what
kojima says this will be the last MGS and its not whats the moral of the story? what devs say is not always true its dictated by PR lol you REALLY..... nothing
actually kojima never said that MGS2 would be the last MGS, he said it would be HIS last MGS, and then the whole death threat and his team's incompetence lead to him returning for 3. PR didnt have anything to do with it.

and yet he still hasnt admitted that bungie themselves claim they messed up in halo 2.

Bravo. Have a cookie
 

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1. KOJIMA SAYS NO MORE MGS
2. KOJIMA WORKING ON NEXT MGS
... .... .... wait, your the one who usually says "DID YOU EVEN READ" ..

actually kojima never said that MGS2 would be the last MGS, he said it would be HIS last MGS
OMG look chandoo actually HAS proof of what he says in an articulate form !...

On the potential for another Metal Gear Solid game:
"I really think that Metal Gear has to live on in some form. But as I said at the end of Metal Gear Solid, I really think it is time for me to hand the director role over to someone else
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/metalgearsolid2sonsol/news.html?sid=2826697&mode=all



i.. i really really dont see how hard it is, or if its even worth raising a 20 post arguement over something a developer said themselves.
1.BUNGIE SAYS THEY MESSED UP ON HALO 2
2. OH NEOZ THEY SAID IT THEMSELVES, IT HAS TO BE TRUE
sigh, you really love halo, bungie, or both a lot more then you should devil.
 
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seesh , heres the link.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156739
Bungie Reacts to Bungie
"Does the Bungie team hate Halo 2? Nah, of course not," said Community Lead Brian Jarrard. "But after making so much progress on Halo 3 and specifically setting out to fix things that we felt were shortcomings of the last game, it's hard for many to see anything but the 'bad' parts of Halo 2 at this point."

"It's funny to read our team's own criticisms of Halo 2," O'Connor said. "I wonder what folks would have thought if we'd come out and said 'Halo 2 was a shimmering work of perfection that could not possibly improved in any way, shape or form.'"​
When considering those criticisms, the first ones to look at are Butcher's remarks to Edge. The Technical Lead is a Networking-related perfectionist, and his comments about Halo 2 being unplayable had little to do with controls, gameplay or weapon balance but rather the foundation of technical framework the online experience was built on. "For Halo 2 we had our sights set very high on networking," Butcher said. "We thought about the great LAN parties you can have with Halo 1 and decided to try and recreate that awesome experience of having all your buddies over to play, but using Xbox Live instead of having to lug consoles and televisions around. Going from having no Internet multiplayer to developing a completely new online model was a big challenge to tackle all at once, and as a result we had to leave a lot of things undone in order to meet the ship date commitment that we made to our fans."

The reflection going on at Bungie is necessary -- they are trying to improve on the last product they shipped. "The Bungie team has always been its own harshest critic and this constant self-critiquing and drive to continually outdo prior efforts is a huge part of our company culture," said Brian Jarrard. "And a big component of the Studio's success."
O'Connor added, "That internal criticism is being shoveled into the furnace of development like fuel."
The approach with Halo 3 pre-release is entirely different than how Bungie approached Halo 2. Where that game was shrouded in secrecy, Halo 3 is strangely media transparent. The number of available assets is still pretty minimal, but already, with likely 10 months to go before the game ships, Bungie has made alpha videos available via the ViDOC series. Each week they've been profiling a different element of Halo 3's universe at their official site and word is that there may be even more video content in the works.
All of that doesn't even mention the game's beta coming later this Spring. While there's still a great shroud of secrecy covering the game's single player, the studio has been lifting the veil on very specific parts of Halo 3's experience. For Bungie, the reflection and criticism comes naturally and while it's easy to take quotes out of context and attribute a single comment to an entire studio, O'Connor expects that ultimately people will be pleased: "I think everyone's going to enjoy the benefits of our reflective nature."


now go kill yourself.
 

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from the article it just seems like bungie saying they're their own hardest critique, i dont see anything about them taking their words back either.

Meh, useless discussion.
 

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"But after making so much progress on Halo 3 and specifically setting out to fix things that we felt were shortcomings of the last game, it's hard for many to see anything but the 'bad' parts of Halo 2 at this point."
 

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Meh, useless discussion.
Who's my Abuses will lead to ban now who's my Abuses will lead to ban now :banana::banana:





And just to get it on record this is what sparked chandoo to trying to disapprove ( using posts from spectre :p ) that i am wrong for thinking halo 2 is awesome
its called being humble, halo 2 was perfect in my eyes ( and thousands of others ) if halo 3 is even better i am even happier
Opinion respect indeed!
 

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it's hard for many to see anything but the 'bad' parts of Halo 2 at this point.
and thats what led to some one from bungie saying they messed up with halo 2, and ?

Who's my Abuses will lead to ban now who's my Abuses will lead to ban now

And just to get it on record this is what sparked chandoo to trying to disapprove ( using posts from spectre :p ) that i am wrong for thinking halo 2 is awesome
actually the useless discussion could have been avoided if you would have just accepted whats still fact, bugnie's people did admit it to themselves. One guy says it was perfect in his eyes, another from the same company said the opposite.

Opinion's respect indeed.
 

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actually the useless discussion could have been avoided if you would have just accepted whats still fact, bugnie's people did admit it to themselves. One guy says it was perfect in his eyes, another from the same company said the opposite.
and that could have been avoided if you just accepted my OPINION
halo 2 was perfect in my eyes
OH noez? lol just stop preaching that whole opinion thingy is you don't follow it yourself (n)
 

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dude i never doubted your opinion, did i, i really dont think i ever did. Hell i think i even said something like you love halo a lot more then you should.

But your posts where you openly say you wont admit what bungie themselves said was the reason.
 

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dude i never doubted your opinion, did i, i really dont think i ever did. Hell i think i even said something like you love halo a lot more then you should.
err...then why did you quote spectre and bungie it seems pretty clear i said IN MY EYES HALO 2 IS PERFECT and you started quoting other people trying to tell me i was wrong in saying that?
But your posts where you openly say you wont admit what bungie themselves said was the reason.
because you were taking it out of context, you were asking me to say Halo 2 is messed up and why would you do such a thing?
 

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err...then why did you quote spectre and bungie it seems pretty clear i said IN MY EYES HALO 2 IS PERFECT and you started quoting other people trying to tell me i was wrong in saying that?
why are we discussing cross-topic arguements now ? and if i recall i said something like you can't make everyone love a game you love, not that your wrong for liking halo 2 or something lame like that.
because you were taking it out of context, you were asking me to say Halo 2 is messed up and why would you do such a thing?
dude seriously, quote me saying i asked you to SAY halo 2 was messed up, the most i did was ask you to simply admit that bungie themselves said that THEY think its messed up, or rather they messed up on it. Especially in the finale section.

I mean come on, out of context much ?

@chandoo: leave them yar they won't listen
aray yaar, bass kia karu, im one man, what can one man do lol
 
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dude seriously, quote me saying i asked you to SAY halo 2 was messed up, the most i did was ask you to simply admit that bungie themselves said that THEY think its messed up, or rather they messed up on it. Especially in the finale section.
im saying how halo 2 has haters as well, its not a perfect game.
your turn to admit bungie messed up devil.
and why were you asking me to admit bungie messed up? you were clearly taking there statement out of context read that 1up thing again.
why are we discussing cross-topic arguements now ? and if i recall i said something like you can't make everyone love a game you love, not that your wrong for liking halo 2 or something lame like that.
err...we are not you quoted spectre on the second page
 

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im saying how halo 2 has haters as well, its not a perfect game.
thats my quote asking you to say halo is bad ? not a good example is it.

and why were you asking me to admit bungie messed up? you were clearly taking there statement out of context read that 1up thing again.
you see what i meant before, you love bungie way more then you should lol.. your not even admitting something they themselves said citing another news article where a completely different person responds to that previous statement.

err...we are not you quoted spectre on the second page
yeah that was to show that not everyone thinks halo 2 is a perfect game as you do, thats all, again, you never see me asking you to admit halo 2 is bad.
 

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sony going deep diving with KZ at E3 ?

Pro-G: Killzone PS3 was teased behind closed doors. Can you tell our readers how the game is shaping up?

Harrison: It's great. I wanted to give [developers] some sense with what we were doing with Playstation Edge - core technology that we've been investing in. We wanted to share those tools as widely as we can across the entire network of PS3 developers, and I just wanted to put that into context for the people who were at the event on Tuesday night, so they could see what kind of performance, what kind of power, developers were going to get at their disposal. It was not intended to be a deep-dive into Killzone PS3; we'll do that at E3 in July.
 

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your turn to admit bungie messed up devil.
im saying how halo 2 has haters as well, its not a perfect game.
err...they are i said halo 2 was a perfect game and you were obviously trying to disprove its not FOR SOME GOD KNOWN REASON
you see what i meant before, you love bungie way more then you should lol.. your not even admitting something they themselves said citing another news article where a completely different person responds to that previous statement.
that said they said they messed up the story elements inserting arbiter, cliffhanger ending
Oh wow i never admitted they said that did i? lol i admitted like ten times that it was fucking PR and they later explained what they meant you wanted me to admit halo 2 is a messed up game and not perfect don't deny that

yeah that was to show that not everyone thinks halo 2 is a perfect game as you do, thats all, again, you never see me asking you to admit halo 2 is bad.
and why were you trying to show me that again? what about this was not easy to understand
HALO 2 IN MY EYES IS A PERFECT GAME
 

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err...they are i said halo 2 was a perfect game and you were obviously trying to disprove its not FOR SOME GOD KNOWN REASON
the god forsaken reason is that on this very forum you have a person Abuses will lead to baning and moaning about it. Obviously no game is perfect outside of a person's opinion.

Oh wow i never admitted they said that did i? lol i admitted like ten times that it was fucking PR and they later explained what they meant you wanted me to admit halo 2 is a messed up game and not perfect don't deny that
quote yourself after i asked you to admit what bungie themselves said.

why should i, i don't they messed even the 1up yours guys gave them crap for saying that * PR to get people hyped up for 3 *



and why were you trying to show me that again? what about this was not easy to understand
HALO 2 IN MY EYES IS A PERFECT GAME
in YOUR eyes it is, and i dont doubt that, but im simply showing you that not everyone thinks its perfect. Isnt that the whole point of an opinionated discussion, one person's opinion is always different from the other's. Im not making it a general statement.




and for fudge's sake stop dragging the arguement on !!
 

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in YOUR eyes it is, and i dont doubt that, but im simply showing you that not everyone thinks its perfect. Isnt that the whole point of an opinionated discussion, one person's opinion is always different from the other's. Im not making it a general statement.
errr..... so in one thread i have to respect others opinion and not try to argue over that and in the other its perfectly fine if you do that. Awesome

and i said that like 10 posts ago what about this you didn't get the first time that you were asking me again and again to say bungie messed up halo 2?
that said they said they messed up the story elements inserting arbiter, cliffhanger ending
why should i, i don't they messed even the 1up yours guys gave them crap for saying that * PR to get people hyped up for 3 *
whaaat? read that again ( i missed a word i don't think they ) does that in any way suggest bungie never made that comment * PR * * 1up giving them crap *
the god forsaken reason is that on this very forum you have a person Abuses will lead to baning and moaning about it. Obviously no game is perfect outside of a person's opinion.
and what did that have to do with me saying that halo 2 for me is a perfect game? what was the whole point of quoting other people to tell me "no halo 2 is not perfect you are wrong" ?

and for fudge's sake stop dragging the arguement on !!
then for fuck's sake stop trying to arguing with me for no reasons at all * first it was why did you post this thread * * now why did reply to this person it was his opinion * YOU WANT TO BE A SUPERMOD JUST fuck*** say it
 
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