Importance of 1st year and 2nd year

[Neoguy396]

Hey guys, sorry to bother you this topic does seem kinda awkward but this is the only place I know where I can find sensible pakistani community members so I decided to go ahead and post this:

I'm currently 16 y/o, in 1st year doing sindh board and giving private exams (meaning I don't go to college, just got admission since I don't understand shit there.)
I'm in pre-engineering and have been learning maths since the start, my dad is physics proffesor at a university and got ph.d degree and he has never been so serious about my studies till now. he wants me to study all the time, I feel isolated and am not allowed to go anywhere most of the time. TBH I wasted my high school years playing games, getting high with friends etc but now I'm expected to study as my dad says " these 2 years are very important and if you do not study, you will regret it and these 2 years will not come back to you "
now the question is, why exactly are these 2 years important?
I know a guy who didn't study the whole 2 years and failed in IBA and most engineering unis, he got admission at islamabad now

So why exactly are these 2 years important? someone who's been through this phase, please explain.
Thanks​

 

[rafay22]

The importance is, it can get you channelled into the university...
But, it doesn't ends here, believe me the concepts will go as far as Phd.......

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And you must gotta do friendship with the sign of Integration and Differentiation........

 

[LordIT]

These 2 years are important because

1) All universities have a criterion(at least XX percentage of marks) which you have to fulfil in order to be eligible to "APPLY."
2) Almost all universities work on merit based system, where the higher marks you get in your intermediate, the better are your chances of getting in a decent university. A percentage of your intermediate marks is considered during the selection phase.
3) Most universities these days, require you to take an entrance exam. If you focus on your studies during these 2 years, you'll have a better chance at these entrance exams.

So for most universities it works like, they take xx percentage of your intermediate marks and xx percentage of your Entrance Exam marks and combine them both to give you a grade/rank. If you rank high enough, you're in.

I know people who passed their Intermediate by slipping money to examiners etc, even they have ended up in universities that are shit universities but universities nonetheless. Everyone ends up somewhere, but the hardwork you do during these years decides where you're going.

A good university will have, above all, decent people/girls, it will have a good environment, and a good faculty. Those are the things that make a difference most in my opinion.

 

[krazyhamad420]

Nothing is important .. Enjoy your life ...

just get 60 % marks and you are good to go for entry test in any university ...

Ratta maro aur kam mukao.

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

^
Some universities require more marks than 60% for admission into a good department like Computer Science or Electrical Engineering/Mechanical Engineering.

 

[Neoguy396]

These 2 years are important because

1) All universities have a criterion(at least XX percentage of marks) which you have to fulfil in order to be eligible to "APPLY."
2) Almost all universities work on merit based system, where the higher marks you get in your intermediate, the better are your chances of getting in a decent university. A percentage of your intermediate marks is considered during the selection phase.
3) Most universities these days, require you to take an entrance exam. If you focus on your studies during these 2 years, you'll have a better chance at these entrance exams.

So for most universities it works like, they take xx percentage of your intermediate marks and xx percentage of your Entrance Exam marks and combine them both to give you a grade/rank. If you rank high enough, you're in.

I know people who passed their Intermediate by slipping money to examiners etc, even they have ended up in universities that are shit universities but universities nonetheless. Everyone ends up somewhere, but the hardwork you do during these years decides where you're going.

A good university will have, above all, decent people/girls, it will have a good environment, and a good faculty. Those are the things that make a difference most in my opinion.

Thanks, what if I wanted to apply for foreign universities? On scholarships? How will I do that?
And obviously, sindh board is fully corrupt. 50000 is enough to get 90 percentage xD

 

[LordIT]

Thanks, what if I wanted to apply for foreign universities? On scholarships? How will I do that?
And obviously, sindh board is fully corrupt. 50000 is enough to get 90 percentage xD

I'm not sure how scholarships work as I've never really been interested in studying abroad, though I'm assuming you'd require somewhat decent grades to apply for a scholarship.

 

[Neoguy396]

I'm not sure how scholarships work as I've never really been interested in studying abroad, though I'm assuming you'd require somewhat decent grades to apply for a scholarship.

Ok thank you very much for your answers

I'm 2 years away, so that's all I'll need for now. Thank you everyone else for your answers too. #respect

 

[haroonshaikh]

If you can bribe your way through Sindh board then that seems like a good alternative.. But in either case you will have to apply in some university after that... And you will need some basic knowledge to do that.. If you plan to go abroad then i guess Sindh board wont help you much.. Opt for A levels and then apply for universities abroad.

 

[fayaz88]

Look, there are all kinds of universities. Good universities and bad universities. Everybody applies for the good ones, NUST, LUMS, GIKI, IBA, etc.. For you to get selected into them you need to have a good Intermediate percentage and you need to do excellent on their entry tests. But then there are universities which would gladly accept you even if you have failed in your intermediate. Why? It's business! Your friend failed to get into IBA (a good university), and probably got admission in a mediocre university in Islamabad. Every single classmate of yours will probably get into SOME university. The problem is not getting into A university, but getting into THE university of your liking.

First year and Intermediate do matter. A lot. There are 2 reasons. First, some universities (All government, and some private universities) take into consideration the Intermediate marks when choosing students. Like, some universities have 40% of their merit based on your college percentage (60% on your entry test). Simply speaking, this means, the better your percentage, the more the likelihood of you getting into a uni and in a better department.

But, even more important, are the actual studies. You see, ALL entry tests are based on your college studies. They are critical for the pre-entry tests of ALL universities. You can cheat your way out of college, but you won't be able to cheat on an entry test. Your father is rightfully concerned. Trust me if you don't set your path straight right now, you WILL regret it. The regret will be getting into some shitty university.

 

[Neoguy396]

Look, there are all kinds of universities. Good universities and bad universities. Everybody applies for the good ones, NUST, LUMS, GIKI, IBA, etc.. For you to get selected into them you need to have a good Intermediate percentage and you need to do excellent on their entry tests. But then there are universities which would gladly accept you even if you have failed in your intermediate. Why? It's business! Your friend failed to get into IBA (a good university), and probably got admission in a mediocre university in Islamabad. Every single classmate of yours will probably get into SOME university. The problem is not getting into A university, but getting into THE university of your liking.

First year and Intermediate do matter. A lot. There are 2 reasons. First, some universities (All government, and some private universities) take into consideration the Intermediate marks when choosing students. Like, some universities have 40% of their merit based on your college percentage (60% on your entry test). Simply speaking, this means, the better your percentage, the more the likelihood of you getting into a uni and in a better department.

But, even more important, are the actual studies. You see, ALL entry tests are based on your college studies. They are critical for the pre-entry tests of ALL universities. You can cheat your way out of college, but you won't be able to cheat on an entry test. Your father is rightfully concerned. Trust me if you don't set your path straight right now, you WILL regret it. The regret will be getting into some shitty university.

Thank you very much for the reply, you're right I might regret it in the future so it's better not to take the risk and start studying.

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

You can give SAT II tests to bypass entry tests in some universities though But you need to score exceptionally well on SAT II tests.

 

[Neoguy396]

You can give SAT II tests to bypass entry tests in some universities though But you need to score exceptionally well on SAT II tests.

I dont think I'm qualified for that xD but I might reconsider in future, thanks tho

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

SAT II syllabus is easier as compared to Inter, or even A Levels IMO. You should definitely consider it.

 

[afeef]

^ which unis are you talking about ?

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

GIKI is one such university. Such a well renowned university, I wish I had given SAT II tests because I heard that their entry tests rip a new hole on potential new GIKI students. Bleh I am happy at NED at it is lol.

I am not sure but I think NUST can also take in SAT II results instead of aptitude tests.

Source for GIKI: http://www.giki.edu.pk/Admissions/Undergraduate/HowToApply
NUST's site is down atm, so not sure about it.

 

[asad3man]

Salam,
Me Asad. I am in 2nd year. I am kinda in same boat. I got 76% in SSC part II. I never had any bad track record. I was a position holder in my school. As i used to do hardwork. No ratta nothing , i just understand the concepts of physics and etc. Since this is Board of Intermediate education. They do very bad checking. And pass only Party people and people of give them money(rishwat) mostly. This will take place until you get admission in good college. This is my personal expireince. I am in johar Degree college. I don't know why my brother just put it's name in CAP 2012. But i just got admission in it easily. Yeah there is politics but believe me , they teach us. Some of staff memebers are like shit. But most of them are excellent.
I did hardwork as i used to. I did more than that. But i was astonished to see that i got only 53%. My college friend , he was also my school class fellow got 54%. And all of other people of our college are fail. Not all Mostly were fail. i mean about 90%.

Yeah you should work hard. And trust in Allah. However 1st year is very crucial because if you get good numbers in it. Then the pressure of crunching number will be released in 2nd year. And when you get good enough number in 12th. You will get admission in excellent uni very easily. I got 53%. I just panic all of my house members. What happened? :O . Now you should trust your father. But learning all day is also bad thing. You should tell your father to let you go outside for sports activity, if not then atleast friends gathering. This will refresh i. I suggest you If you want to get 70% you should atleast study 3 hours. With full concentration. No ratta or anything like this. If you have any more question. I would love to give you more suggestions. And will share my expirience. Add me in skype. : asad3man

 

[Hassan]

These 2 years are crucial because the entry test of the universities will be based upon fsc course. Good university = Decent job. If you do not study, you won't be able to get into a reputable university, thus you wont get a good job because university really does matter.

What i did was, i didn't studied even a single word during those 2 years in my college. Just shugal lagaya! After my 2nd years board exams i joined entry test coaching classes and was able to get into an awesome university.

And i don't agree with the guys saying that you just have to study only for these 2 years and its just walk in the garden if you get admission in university. In university, you will have to study really hard to earn decent gpa if you don't, there will be one for you to offer job

 

[hasanJ]

Your father is correct in saying that these 2 Years are the most important in your life as far as ur education is concerned
Trust me jaan lagado Intermediate main and once u get admission in a good university its easy sailing from there

This guy nailed it

The problem is not getting into A university, but getting into THE university of your liking

Your friend didnt get admission in IBA but he can easily get admission in dozens of business schools in Pakistani
He will wind up getting a BBA degree and an MBA even but the job oppurtunities and salary packages wont be even close to what an IBA Graduate will get

 

[xswrdx]

I'm a fresh graduate and after my experience with the education system, mainly the Sindh (Karachi) board, all I can say is thi:

-Inter education is mainly for getting into a university, good or bad is upto you. Obviously getting higher percentage means a better chance of getting in a good university. If you are planning to get into engineering, you focus should be on maths, specifically integration and differentiation, because pehley 2 saal tak us nay tumhara peecha nahi chorna, and this also applies for certain fields. Kuch mai its going to end up being your bread and butter.

-No offence to any Sindh board students, but getting admission in foreign universities (reputable ones) is close to impossible for our kind, unless you are that good. Theres a reason they have O/A levels and they are preferred over Inter/Matric students in ALOT of places, except for NED.

-As far as your friend goes, I don't see why you should compare yourseld to him, solely on the fact that he is in the Business field and you are in the Engineering field, different criteria for different people. Jahan tak job ki baat, unless you graduate with honors from unis like GIKI or NUST, jobs are solely on parchi based, not saying har juggar waley ki job pakki hai, laikin uski interview call tumsay pehley ajani hai, thats a fact.

Point is, considering our education system, din raat aik kar k parho ya paper ki raat ko ratta mar k parho, if you get the percentage in Inter and then get into a uni (again good or bad is upto you) tab jakar you should decide, whether to take it easy or work hard, because that is whats going to matter when you get into the job market. Baqi inter/matric ka kisi ko parwa nahi, sab jantey hain us mai percentage kin ki kesey ajati hai if they have the resources.

As far as entry test goes, Anees Husain/ Anees Hassan k jakar papers uthao and practice the shit out them, rattey k liye nahi, so that you get an idea what to expect. I remember I prepared really hard for a NUST examination, didnt do exceptionally well but didnt do exceptionally bad either, but based on that prep I gave tests for NED and SSUET and cleared both of them without any proper ''tayyari''.