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So guys I am waiting the conclusion of this argument here how was the Skype call u both had , I am to lazy to turn on my packet racer and implement this thing
 

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So guys I am waiting the conclusion of this argument here how was the Skype call u both had , I am to lazy to turn on my packet racer and implement this thing
Waiting for his Skype call, since its been days now.
 

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So guys I am waiting the conclusion of this argument here how was the Skype call u both had , I am to lazy to turn on my packet racer and implement this thing

dont want to be a "kabab main haddi" but i am a bit curious as to what the problem was, just point me to the post. The argument was pretty intense
 

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So guys I am waiting the conclusion of this argument here how was the Skype call u both had , I am to lazy to turn on my packet racer and implement this thing
Yea, [MENTION=22089]Ibbu Bhai[/MENTION] is correct, I just cannot be bothered to install skype, create an id and make a skype call for an argument which I know for a fact is correct on my part. I have my mobile number plastered over all my 'for sale' threads and I have been a member for a long long time. I believe I can be trusted with a mobile number [MENTION=22089]Ibbu Bhai[/MENTION], kindly sms me any contact number at 0321 242 5985.
[MENTION=801]cobby[/MENTION]: You can safely follow my instructions, the setup will work.
 

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Now even WIKI is against [MENTION=22089]Ibbu Bhai[/MENTION], look at how they oppose his method and endorse my method in cascading routers. Perhaps it's time [MENTION=22089]Ibbu Bhai[/MENTION] look at some other real university and professor with actual knowledge in Networking.
 

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Now even WIKI is against @Ibbu Bhai, look at how they oppose his method and endorse my method in cascading routers. Perhaps it's time @Ibbu Bhai look at some other real university and professor with actual knowledge in Networking.
Haha actually the thing is you can't bear my success and popularity and the love of the people which they give me so that's why you are jelous. Well sorry to say that you have a very childish thinking by enforcing people to implement your method and ignoring mine since you also know it works like a charm. Anyways I don;t like to Whine about these things like you are doing, I beleive in ALLAH and he has given me success and by his blessing people here trust me and I trust them with all my beleif. Rest the choice lies to them.
 
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Thanks Rev2008 for the useful info. I have a query and I feel hopeful that you would be able to guide me.
I have bought Connect Blue since a few days. I also bought TP Link router WR740N and got it configured from
the Connect Cable wala in my area. Now I wish to add one more TP Link router WR740N to act
as a repeater covering the other end of my house. Kindly inform me if it is possible and
how to do that. Could you provide me with the configuration required for the repeater-router for this?
Kindly help and with my best regards (bow)


(I asked this from my area's Connect Cable wala but he does not know how to do that.)

Hey you asked for our help and we did , why haven't you even posted any news relavent to it that it has worked or not ? If you have guts to put a post like this then you must have guts to inform us that our method has worked. Because of you me and Maverick are holding each other throats that he is correct and I'm wrong and I'm correct and he is wrong, if you did this post just for fun then mark my words ill post a message to the CEO/Admin of PG that these kind of members post messges for help and then doesn't post us back that our method worked or not and they should be BANNED at all costs. Because of you talanted people like us spend day and night to resolving your issues by ourselves along with this we often fought defending ourselves and our methods just because of you and when we succeded and post the solution here, we don't hear or see anyones result who asked for help. So either give us a respeonse that you have tried it or not or are you willing to try or not or else serious actions will be taken and I mean it.

Because of you ive lost a lot of respect here since I had to go through a lot to defend my method. So you better leave a reply here or else get ready to face serious action.

Also those people who are enjoying that we are fighting with each other they either try our methods or just STFU rather taging me or @Maverick.
 
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@ Guys fighting above:

In this whole thread, what I concluded is that you guys are fighting on how to setup a router in repeater mode.
First of all, there are two types of repeater modes. Repeater and Repeater Bridge.
Repeater = Secondary Router on different Subnet.
Repeater Bridge = Whole Network on a single network.

Now what I read here is that one of you proposed to connect routers with DHCP disabled and he also assigned each router its own subnet. Now, different router subnets mean "Repeater" mode. In repeater mode you have to keep DHCP of each router ON. Because Primary Router can't assign IPs outside its DHCP range. What it means is that if primary router has address range from 192.168.1.1 with 255.255.255.0 it can only assign 256 unique IPs. There is no way it can assign IP to subnet of 192.168.2.1. If you want to do so, its subnet should be 255.255.0.0. But this will change the repeater mode to repeater bridge mode but we are talking about routers with different subnets... Right? Long story short, in repeater mode, with each router having its own subnet address, you have to keep DHCP of each router ON. Primary Router can't assign IPs for devices connected to Slave Routers.

Now the next mode is repeater bridge mode, it allows you to retain a single subnet in whole house. In this mode Primary Router has DHCP ON with IP 192.168.1.1 whereas Secondary Router has DHCP OFF with IP of 192.168.1.2 (you can see both are in same subnet). Now you will link Secondary Router with Primary by entering gateway IP in secondary router manually. But since the argument is about repeater mode I'll not go in details about repeater bridge mode.


P.S: Repeater mode is quite lame in my opinion since you can't access each PC in your home. So, NO to repeater mode... PEACE!
 

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@ Guys fighting above:

In this whole thread, what I concluded is that you guys are fighting on how to setup a router in repeater mode.
First of all, there are two types of repeater modes. Repeater and Repeater Bridge.
Repeater = Secondary Router on different Subnet.
Repeater Bridge = Whole Network on a single network.

Now what I read here is that one of you proposed to connect routers with DHCP disabled and he also assigned each router its own subnet. Now, different router subnets mean "Repeater" mode. In repeater mode you have to keep DHCP of each router ON. Because Primary Router can't assign IPs outside its DHCP range. What it means is that if primary router has address range from 192.168.1.1 with 255.255.255.0 it can only assign 256 unique IPs. There is no way it can assign IP to subnet of 192.168.2.1. If you want to do so, its subnet should be 255.255.0.0. But this will change the repeater mode to repeater bridge mode but we are talking about routers with different subnets... Right? Long story short, in repeater mode, with each router having its own subnet address, you have to keep DHCP of each router ON. Primary Router can't assign IPs for devices connected to Slave Routers.

Now the next mode is repeater bridge mode, it allows you to retain a single subnet in whole house. In this mode Primary Router has DHCP ON with IP 192.168.1.1 whereas Secondary Router has DHCP OFF with IP of 192.168.1.2 (you can see both are in same subnet). Now you will link Secondary Router with Primary by entering gateway IP in secondary router manually. But since the argument is about repeater mode I'll not go in details about repeater bridge mode.


P.S: Repeater mode is quite lame in my opinion since you can't access each PC in your home. So, NO to repeater mode... PEACE!
Thank you for endorsing the method I had posted.

However, [MENTION=22089]Ibbu Bhai[/MENTION] is insistent that his method works as well and he was so confident in our conversation that I have promised him that I will give it a go on Monday/Tuesday when I have access to spare routers at work. So we can either wait for that or we can hope that the person who created the thread actually attempts some method and posts here about his experience.
 

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Thank you for endorsing the method I had posted.

However, @Ibbu Bhai is insistent that his method works as well and he was so confident in our conversation that I have promised him that I will give it a go on Monday/Tuesday when I have access to spare routers at work. So we can either wait for that or we can hope that the person who created the thread actually attempts some method and posts here about his experience.
No problem, I just shared my experience since I have tried and tested both methods. I wasn't happy with inaccessibility between PCs because of different subnets, that's why I explored repeater bridge mode too. Currently I'm using the Bridge method in my home.

The only way one can assign IPs outside router subnet is DHCP Relaying and I don't seem to recall anyone mentioning this idea in this whole thread (and I myself am no expert in DHCP Relaying). Other than this technique it is really trivial. DHCP can not assign IPs outside its SUBNET.

Detail about Host Configuration for Multiple Subnets:
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DHCP relaying:
In small networks, where only one IP subnet is being managed, DHCP clients communicate directly with DHCP servers. However, DHCP servers can also provide IP addresses for multiple subnets. In this case, a DHCP client that has not yet acquired an IP address cannot communicate directly with the DHCP server using IP routing, because it doesn't have a routable IP address, nor does it know the IP address of a router. In order to allow DHCP clients on subnets not directly served by DHCP servers to communicate with DHCP servers, DHCP relay agents can be installed on these subnets.
 

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@ Guys fighting above:

In this whole thread, what I concluded is that you guys are fighting on how to setup a router in repeater mode.
First of all, there are two types of repeater modes. Repeater and Repeater Bridge.
Repeater = Secondary Router on different Subnet.
Repeater Bridge = Whole Network on a single network.

Now what I read here is that one of you proposed to connect routers with DHCP disabled and he also assigned each router its own subnet. Now, different router subnets mean "Repeater" mode. In repeater mode you have to keep DHCP of each router ON. Because Primary Router can't assign IPs outside its DHCP range. What it means is that if primary router has address range from 192.168.1.1 with 255.255.255.0 it can only assign 256 unique IPs. There is no way it can assign IP to subnet of 192.168.2.1. If you want to do so, its subnet should be 255.255.0.0. But this will change the repeater mode to repeater bridge mode but we are talking about routers with different subnets... Right? Long story short, in repeater mode, with each router having its own subnet address, you have to keep DHCP of each router ON. Primary Router can't assign IPs for devices connected to Slave Routers.

Now the next mode is repeater bridge mode, it allows you to retain a single subnet in whole house. In this mode Primary Router has DHCP ON with IP 192.168.1.1 whereas Secondary Router has DHCP OFF with IP of 192.168.1.2 (you can see both are in same subnet). Now you will link Secondary Router with Primary by entering gateway IP in secondary router manually. But since the argument is about repeater mode I'll not go in details about repeater bridge mode.


P.S: Repeater mode is quite lame in my opinion since you can't access each PC in your home. So, NO to repeater mode... PEACE!

Your statement clearifies that my method works, but then again you are mixing things up just like maverick, well the thing is you don't have to give the gateway IP in the Secondry Router as you are connecting your second router via LAN port not in WAN. In WAN port you have two options which is that either you can give static IP's like in IP Add: 192.168.2.1,Subnetmask:255.255.255.0 and in the Gateway which is the main thing you need to give 192.168.1.1 not any other IP or the second method is Dynamic IP. In my method there is no gateway inteference at all here what do you need is one Modem Plus Router as you alrady have which PTCL gave it to you, since its your Primary Router so you don't have to do anything with it. Now coming to the Second Router first of all what you need to do is to change its IP if its same as your Primaray Router, after hadnling your Routers IP you need to go to LAN or in LAN go to DHCP Server and there you have to Disable DHCP Server. As for the gateway you are discussing above well that has link with your WAN Mode which we can implemented either Manually(Static) or Automatically(Dynamic). But my concern is with LAN and DHCP not with WAN or its settings so please don't mix up things and confuse yourself. Coming to my method when DHCP is disabled on Secondary Router now you will connect your Second Router with your Primary Router via LAN Cable but remember that the LAN Cable coming from Primary Router LAN port should be inserted in the Second Routers LAN port not WAN Port, you guys are mixing WAN and LAN along with their settings that's why we are have stupid arguments again n again. Do this and report back. Theses methods you posted works but are hectic and iritating in my prespective but I agree that both of them works since I've implemented them few years back and then I came with my own logic which I myself is presently using and along with that a lot of people are. If it was in my power I would have made a Tutorial Video of it for proper understanding. But hopefully I will post some briefed pictures in a day or two INSHALLAH and then I would hope that the poeple are getting me clearly who are facing confusion by mixing up things.
 

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Its totally piece of cake bro. Just follow these steps :
1. Connect your Second Tp-link Router Individually with your PC or Laptop via Ethernet Cable.
2. Now open its Setting page by typing 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1
3. When successfully entered Routers settings page look for LAN.
4. First what you need to do is change the LAN IP Address of your Router to something like 192.68.2.1 or 192.168.3.1 or what ever your like.
5. After you have entered the new IP Address, Reboot your Router.
6. Now open your Routers Settings page with the new IP which you entered.
7. When entered the Settings page Look for LAN or DHCP Server, now what you have to do is Disable DHCP Server.
8. When DHCP is disabled, Reboot your Router.
9. Now disconnect your Second Router from your PC or Laptop, and connect both Routers with each other, take a second Ethernet Cable, plug it in Router 1's any LAN port. Now put the other End of the LAN Cable on your Second Router which you have just configured, but remember to put the other end in seconds Router LAN port not in WAN.
10. You are done, now you can use your second Router as a Switch and as well as a Repeater.

If you face any problem feel free to ask, on PG or on Skype, which can find my Skype ID under my PG Name Tag Enjoy :)
Your statement clearifies that my method works, but then again you are mixing things up just like maverick, well the thing is you don't have to give the gateway IP in the Secondry Router as you are connecting your second router via LAN port not in WAN. In WAN port you have two options which is that either you can give static IP's like in IP Add: 192.168.2.1,Subnetmask:255.255.255.0 and in the Gateway which is the main thing you need to give 192.168.1.1 not any other IP or the second method is Dynamic IP. In my method there is no gateway inteference at all here what do you need is one Modem Plus Router as you alrady have which PTCL gave it to you, since its your Primary Router so you don't have to do anything with it. Now coming to the Second Router first of all what you need to do is to change its IP if its same as your Primaray Router, after hadnling your Routers IP you need to go to LAN or in LAN go to DHCP Server and there you have to Disable DHCP Server. As for the gateway you are discussing above well that has link with your WAN Mode which we can implemented either Manually(Static) or Automatically(Dynamic). But my concern is with LAN and DHCP not with WAN or its settings so please don't mix up things and confuse yourself. Coming to my method when DHCP is disabled on Secondary Router now you will connect your Second Router with your Primary Router via LAN Cable but remember that the LAN Cable coming from Primary Router LAN port should be inserted in the Second Routers LAN port not WAN Port, you guys are mixing WAN and LAN along with their settings that's why we are have stupid arguments again n again. Do this and report back. Theses methods you posted works but are hectic and iritating in my prespective but I agree that both of them works since I've implemented them few years back and then I came with my own logic which I myself is presently using and along with that a lot of people are. If it was in my power I would have made a Tutorial Video of it for proper understanding. But hopefully I will post some briefed pictures in a day or two INSHALLAH and then I would hope that the poeple are getting me clearly who are facing confusion by mixing up things.

I understood you the very first time. Gateways are not the issue here (I mentioned Gateway just to elaborate Repeater Bridge Mode). You are trying to force a DHCP to assign IP outside its subnet. Let me summarize your tutorial in steps:

Your Method: LAN-LAN Cascading.
Primary Router = A
Secondary Router = B

  1. Assign A = 192.168.1.1
  2. Assign B = 192.168.2.1
  3. Disable DHCP of B.
  4. Connect A and B via Ethernet ports.
  5. Done!

This is NEVER EVER going to work. Correct method is:

LAN-LAN Cascading.
Primary Router = A
Secondary Router = B

  1. Assign A = 192.168.1.1
  2. Assign B = 192.168.1.2
  3. Disable DHCP of B.
  4. Connect A and B via Ethernet ports.
  5. Done!


Both methods are tried and tested. Only the second one works. This is really trivial networking. You just can't force a DHCP to start assigning IPs outside its range.

Subnet mask11111111.11111111.11111111.00000000255.255.255.0

The 8 zeros defines a subnet mask. It means for a fix 255.255.255.xxx the IP range is between 0-255 (2^8 combinations). 192.168.1.xxx DHCP server means it can assign IPs between 192.168.1.0 - 192.168.1.255. It can not jump to 192.168.2.xxx series, which you are trying to do by setting secondary router with 192.168.2.1 IP.
 
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I understood you the very first time. Gateways are not the issue here (I mentioned Gateway just to elaborate Repeater Bridge Mode). You are trying to force a DHCP to assign IP outside its subnet. Let me summarize your tutorial in steps:

Your Method: LAN-LAN Cascading.
Primary Router = A
Secondary Router = B

  1. Assign A = 192.168.1.1
  2. Assign B = 192.168.2.1
  3. Disable DHCP of B.
  4. Connect A and B via Ethernet ports.
  5. Done!

This is NEVER EVER going to work. Correct method is:

LAN-LAN Cascading.
Primary Router = A
Secondary Router = B

  1. Assign A = 192.168.1.1
  2. Assign B = 192.168.1.2
  3. Disable DHCP of B.
  4. Connect A and B via Ethernet ports.
  5. Done!


Both methods are tried and tested. Only the second one works. This is really trivial networking. You just can't force a DHCP to start assigning IPs outside its range.

Subnet mask11111111.11111111.11111111.00000000255.255.255.0

The 8 zeros defines a subnet mask. It means for a fix 255.255.255.xxx the IP range is between 0-255 (2^8 combinations). 192.168.1.xxx DHCP server means it can assign IPs between 192.168.1.0 - 192.168.1.255. It can not jump to 192.168.2.xxx series, which you are trying to do by setting secondary router with 192.168.2.1 IP.
Do yourself a kind favour talk to me on Skype right now, I'm avaliable at the moment and almost free. You can find my ID under my PG name tag and the methods you posted above I'm sorry to say open your eyes and look closely they are same not a single difference execpt you shifted their IP's thats all and my method is the same which you just wrote as for Subnetting I don't need a lecture as I already know how it is done and implemented, so thank you for your explination.
 

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Do yourself a kind favour talk to me on Skype right now, I'm avaliable at the moment and almost free. You can find my ID under my PG name tag and the methods you posted above I'm sorry to say open your eyes and look closely they are same not a single difference execpt you shifted their IP's thats all and my method is the same which you just wrote as for Subnetting I don't need a lecture as I already know how it is done and implemented, so thank you for your explination.
If you think this is just an IP shift you sure do need a lecture or two on IP segments and Subnets. What are you going to say on Skype? I've already told you I've tested them both and your's not working but obviously you don't understand the difference between IP segments so there is nothing else I can do for you.

Anyway I found a tutorial of Linksys on LAN-LAN Cascading.. If you still disagree, call them on Skype but before arguing keep in mind they are the manufacturer.
Article

Pay SPECIAL attention to step 4 & 5. For DHCP OFF, IP segment must remain the same as Primary Router... But again, you see both 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.1.2 as equal... *sigh*
 

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If you think this is just an IP shift you sure do need a lecture or two on IP segments and Subnets. What are you going to say on Skype? I've already told you I've tested them both and your's not working but obviously you don't understand the difference between IP segments so there is nothing else I can do for you.

Anyway I found a tutorial of Linksys on LAN-LAN Cascading.. If you still disagree, call them on Skype but before arguing keep in mind they are the manufacturer.
Article

Pay SPECIAL attention to step 4 & 5. For DHCP OFF, IP segment must remain the same as Primary Router... But again, you see both 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.1.2 as equal... *sigh*
Haha I don't get you people if someone invities you and also wants to show you how this method works still you turn away from reality, which shows that you don't have the guts to face the reality and you'd be embarrassed when my proceduer works, well if your thinking this then its totally worng, I consider helping people as my honor, so feel free to contact me on Skype, talking to me on Cell is totally wasting my time as well as yours since I can't show you the Tutorial to clear your misconception. As for the lectures part haha keep it to yourself as I have more experainces in these things but I don't want to get off topic. Lastly again I'm quoting you are free to talk to me and I'm willing to show you two what I was saying again n again in my previous posts, if you are willing to see than its your choice if not well I can't do anything about and ill keep on ignoring your examples n all as ive tested them already so its useless to tell me which method is right or wrong as I already know they work but mine works better and is less irritating.
 
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Haha I don't get you people if someone invities you and also wants to show you how this method works still you turn away from reality, which shows that you don't have the guts to face the reality and you'd be embarrassed when my proceduer works, well if your thinking this then its totally worng, I consider helping people as my honor, so feel free to contact me on Skype, talking to me on Cell is totally wasting my time as well as yours since I can't show you the Tutorial to clear your misconception. As for the lectures part haha keep it to yourself as I have more experainces in these things but I don't want to get off topic. Lastly again I'm quoting you are free to talk to me and I'm willing to show you two what I was saying again n again in my previous posts, if you are willing to see than its your choice if not well I can't do anything about and ill keep on ignoring your examples n all as ive tested them already so its useless to tell me which method is right or wrong as I already know they work but mine works better and is less irritating.
What I don't understand is I quoted your method, you didn't say there was anything wrong in it. Then I said it didn't work, kept giving me unidentified network error.. but instead of correcting mistake in your method I posted above, you keep repeating to come on Skype.. Strange!!

Don't have Skype though but you can come on Teamspeak, I'm online there... ts.fierce-eagles.com

Also, did you read the Linksys tutorial? It means you are proposing a third method against the standard LAN-LAN and LAN-WAN cascading (as explained in Linksys tutorial Article )?
 

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What I don't understand is I quoted your method, you didn't say there was anything wrong in it. Then I said it didn't work, kept giving me unidentified network error.. but instead of correcting mistake in your method I posted above, you keep repeating to come on Skype.. Strange!!

Don't have Skype though but you can come on Teamspeak, I'm online there... ts.fierce-eagles.com

Also, did you read the Linksys tutorial? It means you are proposing a third method against the standard LAN-LAN and LAN-WAN cascading (as explained in Linksys tutorial Article )?
Again like I said you are wrong there is no issue of limited connectivity at all, since ive connected 4 Routers in my home with this and didn't face any problem. As for the artical my bro ive already read it months back which you are sharing right now.
 
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  • faraany3k faraany3k:
    So who here is waiting for Senua Hellblade 2. Prequel was a true mind fuck experience.
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  • GloriousChicken GloriousChicken:
    Sad indeed
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  • NaNoW NaNoW:
    what a sad day
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  • faraany3k faraany3k:
    Necrokiller said:
    MS one upping Sony in catching the biggest L in gaming
    tbh gaming industry as a whole is failing much like tech industry. They have buckled down too much to Corporate suites then relying on passionate and innovative people. A corporate only believes in financial growth and shareholders.
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    MS one upping Sony in catching the biggest L in gaming
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    NaNoW NaNoW: by closing down good studios