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[Necrokiller]

Oh wow, 2 out of 10. That really changes everything lol.

LMAO @ Switch publisher list. Winning a race only they themselves are running in.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Oh wow, 2 out of 10. That really changes everything lol.

Let's not forget where they are ranked in that list. What other well-received first-party releases were there on PS4 in 2018? lol

Firewall and Astro Bot sold well for VR-only titles, wouldn't you agree?

LMAO @ Switch publisher list. Winning a race only they themselves are running in.

I mean, the Switch is literally one of the few times Nintendo has had success with 3rd-party developers lol.

 

[Necrokiller]

Let's not forget where they are ranked in that list. What other well-received first-party releases were there on PS4 in 2018? lol

Let's not forget the first 4 years of the PS4? lol Im talking about life time sales on PS4. With your updated tweet, it's clear that nowhere near the amount of people are attached to the first-party line up as you seem to believe. 2 out of 10 is still quite honestly poor. Maybe RDR2, Spiderman and Black Ops 4 even knocked out God of War from the top 10? Lol

Stadia will be doing you and Sony a favor if they manage to migrate most of that crowd on their platform and make way for the rest of the first party line up to break into the Top 10 lol

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[CerebralTiger]

Let's not forget the first 4 years of the PS4? lol Im talking about life time sales on PS4.

Sure, but my point still stands. There has to be quality first-party software available for people to "deeply care" about it in the first place. The interest is there, and is exhibited in the 2018 charts.

Plus, it's not like Horizon, Uncharted 4, Bloodborne didn't sell well. It's just that there aren't enough quality PS4 exclusives released in a year for them to have a larger presence in the annual top ten sales charts.

With your updated tweet, it's clear that nowhere near the amount of people are attached to the first-party line up as you seem to believe. 2 out of 10 is still quite honestly poor.

Spiderman at #3 and GoW at #4 means nowhere near the amount of people are as attached to the first-party lineup as I believe? If you say so, I'll stick to my belief. :hah:

And if you're going to focus on the number of titles (2 out of 10) instead of how well they performed, why not look at the top 20 instead? For all we know, Detroit may be in the top 20 PS4 sellers of 2018.

What other 2018 first-party PS4 titles are there? I also showed you the PSVR charts.

Stadia will be doing you and Sony a favor if they manage to migrate most of that crowd on their platform and make way for the rest of the first party line up to break into the Top 10 lol

lol @ most of the crowd. Do you have numbers for PS4 owners who only purchased multiplatform titles in 2018 and didn't touch an exclusive released in the same year?

 

[NaNoW]

If any company can nail the mythical all digital, all streaming console .. it's google.

Let's see how well this does.

Google is also the grandpa of leaving initiatives to die

 

[Chandoo]

Both Spider Man and God of War have sold 9+ million copies as of reporting from months ago. Just because the annual shooter/sports games which always sell in high droves sell more than single-console first party games, doesn't mean people don't care about the first party games anymore. Some real weird logic leaps being done in this topic :laugh1:

Google is also the grandpa of leaving initiatives to die

And if *they* can't get a digital only console to work, I wouldn't expect MS or Sony to go down that route exclusively either.

On topic of Stadia, a lot of people (and websites) are rightfully bringing up the topic of losing complete ownership of your games, not being able to play anything if the internet is out of if you're in a remote area etc. Things like this are the primary detractor why someone like me, personally, wouldn't use this as my primary gaming device.

 

[NaNoW]

Both Spider Man and God of War have sold 9+ million copies. Just because the annual shooter/sports games which always sell in high droves sell more than single-console first party games, doesn't mean people don't care about the first party games anymore. Some real weird logic leaps being done in this topic :laugh1:



And if *they* can't get a digital only console to work, I wouldn't expect MS or Sony to go down that route exclusively either.

On topic of Stadia, a lot of people (and websites) are rightfully bringing up the topic of losing complete ownership of your games, not being able to play anything if the internet is out of if you're in a remote area etc. Things like this are the primary detractor why someone like me, personally, wouldn't use this as my primary gaming device.

I dont know man..There are other players with skin in the game aswell from Nvidia, Netflix, Amazon, FB to Xbox (MS), PS and EA ....A partnership of these brands .Google just doesnt have that much experience in gaming, nor enough say in Game development, nor has this technology matured enough..over 80% of the world doesn't have consistent 4G speeds..

they do have boatload of money and network infrastructure though

 

[Chandoo]

I dont know man..There are other players with skin in the game aswell from Nvidia, Netflix, Amazon, FB to Xbox (MS), PS and EA ....A partnership of these brands .Google just doesnt have that much experience in gaming, nor enough say in Game development, nor has this technology matured enough..over 80% of the world doesn't have consistent 4G speeds..

they do have boatload of money and network infrastructure though

Which just so happen to be the 2 most important things for a streaming only platform

 

[Necrokiller]

And if you're going to focus on the number of titles (2 out of 10) instead of how well they performed, why not look at the top 20 instead? For all we know, Detroit may be in the top 20 PS4 sellers of 2018.

I think you're getting really touchy here. Its not necessarily a measure of quality but it does show which games people cared about *MORE*. Might as well look at the Top 500 too, I'm sure you'll find all possible exclusives in the list for any platform you want :hah:


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[Necrokiller]

On topic of Stadia, a lot of people (and websites) are rightfully bringing up the topic of losing complete ownership of your games, not being able to play anything if the internet is out of if you're in a remote area etc. Things like this are the primary detractor why someone like me, personally, wouldn't use this as my primary gaming device.

What if it's a subscription based model? You don't own anything on GamePass, PS Plus, Twitch Prime, Discord, Amazon or Netflix. Millions of people are still subscribed to those services. If your most frequent use case is playing games in remote areas with flaky internet then whats the alternative? You need to carry your console to those places and make sure you have a TV there as well.

 

[Chandoo]

What if it's a subscription based model? You don't own anything on GamePass, PS Plus, Twitch Prime, Discord, Amazon or Netflix. Millions of people are still subscribed to those services. If your most frequent use case is playing games in remote areas with flaky internet then whats the alternative? You need to carry your console to thise places and make sure you have a TV at those places as well.

I still remember the good old days of Sega when we used to lug our Genesis (or Mega Drives in our case) to villages in Punjab for family trips. Good times.

Anyway, internet outages, downtime or inconsistent services are things which can effect bigger metropolitan areas as well, not just remote one's. Even the biggest nations like the US, Canada etc cannot guarantee uniform internet speed/bandwidth across the majority of the country.

Netflix can operate at extremely low bandwidth rates, static video still looks presentable and acceptable at 480p with 2 to 3 Mb/s bandwidth. Fast paced gaming will probably not look that great on those specs, for a 4K streaming signal you need to have a constant 30~35 Mb/s stream, without any interruptions. For a lot of people, that's a pipe dream.

PS+, Game Pass kinda services I won't add in the same column because 1/ those are auxiliary services, their consoles don't solely depend on them. 2/ Game Pass and Plus also let you download game content to your HDD's, so outside of authentication, you're not streaming the game content.

Do you honestly think e sport tournaments, or the bigger player base for twitch shooters like CoD or Battlefield will transition to a streaming service ? I don't think it'll be happening any time soon personally.

The biggest flaw with the digital only platform is that if the platform holder pulls the plug .. that's it .. everything's gone. The biggest and most recent example of this is that the entire Wii Store is now completely gone because Nintendo pulled the digital plug. There are so many games, including some really well received high profile 2D Castlevania games, which are completely inaccessible to anyone anymore. The all-digital platforms have a lot of very obvious flaws.

 

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[CerebralTiger]

I think you're getting really touchy here. Its not necessarily a measure of quality but it does show which games people cared about *MORE*.

Nah, not getting touchy lol. Just trying to explain my point that people who played on the PS4 in 2018 only cared *more* about RDR2 and BO4 than they did for the platform's two major first-party releases

 

[Necrokiller]

Netflix can operate at extremely low bandwidth rates, static video still looks presentable and acceptable at 480p with 2 to 3 Mb/s bandwidth. Fast paced gaming will probably not look that great on those specs, for a 4K streaming signal you need to have a constant 30~35 Mb/s stream, without any interruptions. For a lot of people, that's a pipe dream.

Safe to assume consistent 4K streaming doesn't matter to people who find 480p streaming acceptable and are using 3Mb internet in 2019.

PS+, Game Pass kinda services I won't add in the same column because 1/ those are auxiliary services, their consoles don't solely depend on them. 2/ Game Pass and Plus also let you download game content to your HDD's, so outside of authentication, you're not streaming the game content.

It counts when you are concerned about ownership of games.

Do you honestly think e sport tournaments, or the bigger player base for twitch shooters like CoD or Battlefield will transition to a streaming service ? I don't think it'll be happening any time soon personally.

Those guys would rather play console games on 23 inch TN panels. Their priorities are entirely different.



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[Chandoo]

Safe to assume consistent 4K streaming doesn't matter to people who find 480p streaming acceptable and are using 3Mb internet in 2019.

That statement was just an example because you mentioned Netflix as a digital only service. Static video content can scale very comfortable between very low and high bandwidths.

Gaming, which requires response and acting on visual feedback, will not. That's the point I was trying to make.

It counts when you are concerned about ownership of games.

Oh sure, as I mentioned the example of the Wii Store as well. This is a genuine issue with all digital store-fronts, not just a google issue.

Those guys would rather play console games on 23 inch TN panels. Their priorities are entirely different.

Sure, they have specific priorities. But then again, the real test will be when we start seeing more test cases for 60 FPS games on the google platform. Even their own curated reveal stream wasn't devoid of bugs, there were some streaming hitches etc in that thing too. Imagine when a layman is using that and not the Google juggernaut.

 

[Necrokiller]

Gaming, which requires response and acting on visual feedback, will not. That's the point I was trying to make.

Sure. In theory yes. But something that is measurable is not always perceptible. You are missing that point.

The initial results for Odyssey are quite impressive even from laymen who tried it and didn't measure the exact lag through their own more laggy TV.

You are overestimating how many people are super sensitive to input lag. Take CoD vs Doom. Both are 60fps games. CoD is measured at 40ms while Doom is 85ms. There might be a measurable difference between AC or Spiderman or Destiny 2 as well. But all are considered responsive for 30fps games.

The main concerns for me are how many of the popular games are on it and what the pricing model is. Youtube TV is $35/month. Stadia will probably live and die based on their business model.


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[Chandoo]

You are overestimating how many people are super sensitive to input lag. Take CoD vs Doom. Both are 60fps games. CoD is measured at 40ms while Doom is 85ms.

Sure i might be over estimating. My own experience with streaming has been my own PS4 via the playstation remote play app .. which works OK for 30 FPS and slower paced games like Detroit/Persona 5 and yes even I tried some Odyssey on it, which outside of the drop in quality and some macro blocking, looked and played pretty OK.

I can see this google service being really good for 30 FPS games. But yeah, pricing and game availability will be the biggest factor.

 

[maxold90]

Best comment I ever got on youtube:

""So I got Q & A Session with Stadia:


Q1 # Me: Do you have NVIDIA Freestyle support for Graphics Enhancement ?
A # Stadia: No


Q2 # Me: Do you have ReShade support for Graphics Enhancement ?
A # Stadia: No


Q3 # Me: Can I have those awsome mods from moddb ?
A # Stadia: No


Q4 # Me: Can I sync you with hertz of my LCD and have AMD or Nvidia Sync ?
A # Stadia: No


Q5 # Me: Can I have you when i travel around the world ?
A # Stadia: No


Q6 # Me: Can I have when my Internet is down ?
A # Stadia: No


Q7 # Me: Can I have when my Internet speed is slow ?
A # Stadia: No


Q8 # Me: Should I buy you ?
A # Stadia: No


Remarks: Nice Stadia you got 100/100, now just ....... go and f*** your self you useless piece of ro**** s***.""

More importunately 4k streaming result is not what render on screen result is, for test I download bunch of 4k gaming videos, played on 55" 4k UHD, then run same game on 4k by pc and its clearly hundred times better compare to 4k videos, that streaming 4k can compete with render on screen 1080p but not with actual 4k.

 

[Necrokiller]

Pretty good showing for Doom 2016.

To give Google credit, they stress-tested their system by running Stadia on hotel WiFi rather than taking me down to Mountain View and letting me play with Stadia under much more controlled conditions.

Despite the initial hiccup, my experience with Stadia was largely positive. Doom 2016 was in crisp 4K and I was able to focus on the game without thinking about the service I was playing it on, which is ultimately the best endorsement of a new platform like this.

That’s because the latency between input and something being displayed onscreen isn’t imperceptible, though it’s probably good enough for the vast majority of users (myself included) which is still a worthy prize for the company’s efforts to take on the massive gaming market.


Google Stadia VP Phil Harrison wouldn’t give me a proper range of where exactly latency fell, but he did say it was less than the time it took for a human to perceive something and react — which another Google employee then told me differed person-to-person but was generally 70ms-130ms — so I suppose the most official number we’ll get is that the latency is probably somewhere less than 70ms.

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[Chandoo]

Still a long ways to go.