MULTI Game of the Year 2013 - Media Picks Compilation - The Last of Us is undisputed GoTY

[faraany3k]

Show me the post where I said I've played it.

So you have not played GTA 5 at all. Well we established something in this thread. Plus with your DP I know what you are routing for in this thread.

See you after the results.

EDIT: I also advise you to play some real games recognized by critics. There is no use preaching Metacritic and critics when you are not playing the high rated games of all time yourself, and spending most of the time with lacklustre SONY lineup.

 

[Necrokiller]

Just FYI, i don't consider Journey an indie game. At least not a proper indie game per se. It was a joint effort of SSM and thatgamecompany. Of course, others might disagree but that's just me.

No one lists SSM as the developer for Journey alongside Thatgamecompany. Being under an exclusive contract with Sony is probably why SSM contirbuted through its development phase for technical issues or whatever.
But yeah, its just you. Journey is considered an indie game by the critics. Doesn't matter what your own definition is.

 

[faraany3k]

No one lists SSM as the developer for Journey alongside Thatgamecompany. Being under an exclusive contract with Sony is probably why SSM contirbuted through its development phase for technical issues or whatever.
But yeah, its just you. Journey is an indie game. Doesn't matter what your own definition is.

15$ AAA title from the makers of such glorious games like FLOWER.

 

[Journeys End]

I haven't played GTA V's MP, so I can't really give a fair opinion here. But, from what I've seen, it has your standard 8 vs 8 games modes (TDM, CTF etc.) in an open-world environment? And you get to use the tons of vehicles at your disposal as well. If open-world is your criteria for a game to be evolving, then sure enough, GTA V's MP seems to be doing just that. It's interesting, no doubt about it. But then, so is TLoU's MP. The unique traits of the single-player game (crafting, listen mode etc.) carry forward into the MP. It's different from your standard shooters in many ways.

Ah nw i see why u see tlou mp as something worth defending. I have played gta online considerably and dude trust me its way more than u could possibly imagine. It will take too much time for me to fully describe its features but rest assured, its not limited by handful of maps and game types. New updates are introducing new activities and they are free.
TLOU is a midget infront of gta in that regard FACT!

 

[CerebralTiger]

EDIT: I also advise you to play some real games recognized by critics. There is no use preaching Metacritic and critics when you are not playing the high rated games of all time yourself, and spending most of the time with lacklustre SONY lineup.

I don't know why you're trying to prove that I'm hating on GTA V. I'm not. The only reason I didn't play it was because I had sold my PS3 around the time of its release. If it ever comes on the PS4 or PC, I'll gladly play it.

 

[BumperJumper]

No one lists SSM as the developer for Journey alongside Thatgamecompany. Being under an exclusive contract with Sony is probably why SSM contirbuted through its development phase for technical issues or whatever.
But yeah, its just you. Journey is considered an indie game by the critics. Doesn't matter what your own definition is.

If this is your logic, PlayStation All Star Battle Royale might be considered an indie title because Sony hired a developer to work on it along with help from SSM and later Sony Santa Monica took charge of the game updates and DLCs.

Without the help of Sony Santa Monica, there would have been no Journey. No matter how hard you try to pass it off as some "indie" game, it isn't.

* Phyre Engine is exclusively developed by Sony for multiplatform development exclusive to their eco-system. It was the backbone of development for Journey.
* Sony Santa Monica helped create the engine, the graphics and especially utilizing the PS3 effectively for all the sand effects and awesomeness. It wasn't the work of thatgamecompany. It doesn't matter if others don't see it but it is a fact that Journey was a co-development effort between SSM and thatgamecompany and not their own "individual" effort.

SSM helped in the development and programming of Journey, how is that not considered co-development is beyond me. It is not a simple "publishing" job or sole effort of thatgamecompany. Heck in the credits, their name is listed even before thatgamecompany.

If you think that the $15 price point is enough to label it "indie" like [MENTION=1226]faraany3k[/MENTION], then i don't even know what to say here.

 

[faraany3k]

If you think that the $15 price point is enough to label it "indie" like @faraany3k, then i don't even know what to say here.

What does this even mean? Indies are mostly cheaper then usual AAA or mainstream games.

 

[Necrokiller]

If this is your logic, PlayStation All Star Battle Royale might be considered an indie title because Sony hired a developer to work on it along with help from SSM and later Sony Santa Monica took charge of the game updates and DLCs.

Price point also differentiates indie games from other titles. Battle Royale was a fully priced $60 retail release while Journey was a $15 downloadable game. Can you name a game which is recognized as an 'Indie' title but was released at a $60 price point?

No matter how hard you try to pass it off as some "indie" game, it isn't.

Indie games are made by small, independent teams, are shorter than your average mainstream game and rely on digital distribution for selling the game. Journey meets most of the criteria which makes it an indie game. SSM's involvement alone does not change that.
The critics also deem it as an Indie title (Spike's Best Independent Game 2012). You're the only one who still questions this and is latching onto SSM's involvement which somehow changes everything.

 

[TrueCoolGuy]

Yes the reason being there are hardly any worthwhile PS3 exclusives. Yes one year you had to play Journey. Yes it is GOTY but real hardcore games dont think it is a real game. Even if it is, it merely lasts 2 hours so I congratulate you that for a whole year you kept playing journey and never had to play multiplatforms which are superior on one known platform.

Bahahahahaha! Not too long ago you were telling me how conservative and old school I was for liking the relic mechanics of the old days. But now here you are dissing Journey as not even being a game. I knew it wouldn't take you very long to contradict yourself. :lol:

My god man, do you even consider what you've said previously? Oh wait, let me guess, you just post in the moment, right?

 

[BumperJumper]

Indie games are made by small, independent teams, are shorter than your average mainstream game and rely on digital distribution for selling the game. Journey meets most of the criteria which makes it an indie game. SSM's involvement alone does not change that.
The critics also deem it as an Indie title (Spike's Best Independent Game 2012). You're the only one who still questions this and is latching onto SSM's involvement which somehow changes everything.

Price point never makes any game a indie game. Are all the $0.99 titles indie games? There are budgeted release from big studios as well. The recent example being Puppeteer and Ratchet and Clank: Into The Nexus. Both were budget priced releases and while they didn't launch with price as low as $15, they weren't priced as traditional AAA games. They also got a retail release.

$15 price is usually reserved for digital only titles who never get physical release. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon is an indie release? No?

In regards to what constitutes an indie game, everyone has their own definition. This genre has far too evolved now. Is Child of Light from Ubisoft an indie game? some will say it is, some won't. Similarly i don't consider Journey an indie game at all. It was a joint effort and even if majority of the media thinks so, my opinions differ.

Similar confusion lies with JRPG genre. People label any RPG coming from Japan as JRPG but is Dark/Demon Souls and Dragon's Dogma a JRPG? The answer is no. They are certainly not JRPG. But of course, you again might have different opinion here.

 

[Necrokiller]

Price point never makes any game a indie game.

Why do you have to focus on one single aspect only at a time? I already mentioned several factors, not just the price point. If I did imply that price alone makes an indie game then shouldn't all F2P games be labelled indie?

Are all the $0.99 titles indie games? There are budgeted release from big studios as well.

The fact that they are made by "big studios" means they aren't indie titles. Thatgamecompany is an indie developer by these standards.

$15 price is usually reserved for digital only titles who never get physical release. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon is an indie release? No?

Its not, because the developer is NOT an Indie developer. Again, stop focusing on one thing only at a time to create arguments.

In regards to what constitutes an indie game, everyone has their own definition.

Even though there isn't a set definition there are accepted standards (development team size, budget, format of distribution etc) according to which a game is categorized as an Indie game and Journey falls into that. Its not suppose to be derogatory you know.

It was a joint effort and even if majority of the media thinks so, my opinions differ.

Spike TV, which comprises of many "Metacritic certified" review websites call Journey an Indie game. This topic is about what the media thinks.

 

[r3aper]

Just posting my 10 hour+ experience from GTA V online, it isn't fun. Its a huge world with nothing to do really.

I have played it and seriously I didn't enjoy it one bit, the only reason I am holding on to my GTA V disc are heists addition to the Online mode to see if it makes it worth while. You get bored out of your mind within 20-30 mins after randomly goofing around the map killing others for no reason. The standard missions aren''t fun. In contrast to that TLoU MP was far more fun and enjoyable I can't remember my stats at the moment but it is far more enjoyable than GTA V's online mode, our PG team spent hours playing death matches almost every night during last Ramazan, on weekends we stayed up til Sehar.

I don't see GTA V having that charm, not until heists are added, which won't be released until the next gen version is announced.

 

[hasanJ]

Highest Rated Game on Metacritic 2013 = GTA5
Highest Sold Game of 2013 = GTA5
Soon to be Game of the Year 2013 = GTA5

:bow2:

 

[Gizmo]

^^You saying you expected things to be different?

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Just posting my 10 hour+ experience from GTA V online, it isn't fun. Its a huge world with nothing to do really.

I have played it and seriously I didn't enjoy it one bit, the only reason I am holding on to my GTA V disc are heists addition to the Online mode to see if it makes it worth while. You get bored out of your mind within 20-30 mins after randomly goofing around the map killing others for no reason. The standard missions aren''t fun. In contrast to that TLoU MP was far more fun and enjoyable I can't remember my stats at the moment but it is far more enjoyable than GTA V's online mode, our PG team spent hours playing death matches almost every night during last Ramazan, on weekends we stayed up til Sehar.

I don't see GTA V having that charm, not until heists are added, which won't be released until the next gen version is announced.

[MENTION=656]r3aper[/MENTION] ..........This reminds of that argument we had about GTA online in the GTA V OT where you claimed that GTA Online would be a blast and add amazing value to the game and I said that It'd be shit. I guess I was right. :tv:

 

[hasanJ]

^^You saying you expected things to be different?

With the praise guys give to TLOU i was expecting a neck and neck competition with no undisputed winner

Afsos Bioshock ka hai as on any other year it would have been GOTY easily

 

[r3aper]

^^You saying you expected things to be different?

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@r3aper ..........This reminds of that argument we had about GTA online in the GTA V OT where you claimed that GTA Online would be a blast and add amazing value to the game and I said that It'd be shit. I guess I was right. :tv:

Well I don't exactly remember that argument but yes I had great expectations from it. I though heists would be there from the get-go but it wasn't the case. Only hardcore GTA fans are currently playing it I don't see myself putting aside another game for GTA V, like what happened when I was hooked with TLoUs MP. I got a back log of almost 2-3 games which I got from PSN+. I would still be playing it if I hadn't sold traded the disc for GTA V.

 

[BumperJumper]

Even though there isn't a set definition there are accepted standards (development team size, budget, format of distribution etc) according to which a game is categorized as an Indie game and Journey falls into that. Its not suppose to be derogatory you know.

Indie is not a derogatory term at all. I don't mind any game being labelled as indie. But i think i have explained enough why my opinions regarding Journey being an "indie" differ here.

Spike TV, which comprises of many "Metacritic certified" review websites call Journey an Indie game. This topic is about what the media thinks.

So if Journey was the first "indie" to win GOTY, why aren't we seeing more indie games winning GOTY this year?

There are some potential contenders like Gone Home, Papers Please and Stanley Parable. But lets see how the mainstream media treats these indies this year. I highly doubt if they will get the same treatment as Journey got last year, because people usually don't consider Journey as a "pure indie" game. We have yet to see an indie game(beside Journey) getting GOTY.

 

[Necrokiller]

So if Journey was the first "indie" to win GOTY, why aren't we seeing more indie games winning GOTY this year?

Joke post? Is this suppose to be your argument as to why Journey isn't an indie game? Because it won GoTY? *facepalm*

There are some potential contenders like Gone Home, Papers Please and Stanley Parable. But lets see how the mainstream media treats these indies this year.

How are these games potential GoTY contenders?

I highly doubt if they will get the same treatment as Journey got last year,

I highly doubt Journey would get the same treatment as last year if it was released this year next to GTA V, TLoU, Super Mario 3D World, Bioshock Infinite and Zelda. Do you see how illogical your arguments are becoming?

 

[BumperJumper]

Joke post? Is this suppose to be your argument as to why Journey isn't an indie game? Because it won GoTY? *facepalm*

The only thing i am saying here is that Journey was into the spotlight because of Sony. Indies usually don't get as much attention, as evident this year as well.

How are these games potential GoTY contenders?

They are all well rated, well received by the critics and almost everywhere. I see big developers talking about them on Twitter and how it inspired them. Naught Dog developers, in particular, are big fan of Gone Home and Papers Please. They also have a pretty good meta score. When i think of indie games on PC for this year, these games come to my mind.

I highly doubt Journey would get the same treatment as last year if it was released this year next to GTA V, TLoU, Super Mario 3D World, Bioshock Infinite and Zelda. Do you see how illogical your arguments are becoming?

Journey wasn't the highest rated game in 2012. That spot belonged to Mass Effect 3 . It didn't exactly lit the charts on fire in term of sales. Yet it won that year. This year has more competition for sure but we are still seeing games like Zelda winning GOTY awards so anything can happen. Remember how TWD was leading with awards last year and suddenly the tables turned to Journey.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Highest Rated Game on Metacritic 2013 = GTA5
Highest Sold Game of 2013 = GTA5
Soon to be Game of the Year 2013 = GTA5

Highest rated game of 2012 on Metacritic = Mass Effect 3
Highest sold game of 2012 = Call of Duty whatever
Game of the year 2012 = Journey

In other words, that's not entirely how it works.