Are we defending Islam?

[Shyber]

Actually you do know most of the terrorists are highly educated people.

I actually don't. Would love to see a few sources which gave you this insight. I'm keen to see what kind of education they have.

I mean what's the point of so much education when someone can make them go astray within a month of brainwashing.

When I say educate, that necessarily doesn't always mean a Bachelors/Masters/Doctorate though having that kind of formal education increases the chances of someone being actually educated.
I know brainwashing is a dramatic word but it is a form of biased unfair education.

If you're constantly fed videostreams of atrocities in Syria, Iraq, Kashmir, Palestine, Burma, Libya and by association linked everything to "America/Israel Conspiracy AGAINST ISLAM" coupled with a few dumb-ass speeches by people like Bush Jr and Trump and so on and then asked the question as to why media doesn't cover this side of the story? You know, stir the emotions and hate and fuel the jazbati jehadi in the "Muslims". The process called "Radicalization". It can work on anyone who's emotional and considers themselves on the "same side" as the victims of atrocities. Who might hold a BS or MS in engineering or medical but not necessarily in history or economics or politics or business.

When I say educated, I mean mature enough to realize the although Islam may be perfect, but its execution and implementation started showing cracks as early as late first century Hijri. There have ALWAYS been "hidden third parties" in the world during any time which have benefited greatly in business and money making by conspirating against governments and causing conflict. Those who own the bullets and bandages or interested in the share of booty, who don't give a rat's ass about ideology.

 

[Leon]

I actually don't. Would love to see a few sources which gave you this insight. I'm keen to see what kind of education they have.



When I say educate, that necessarily doesn't always mean a Bachelors/Masters/Doctorate though having that kind of formal education increases the chances of someone being actually educated.
I know brainwashing is a dramatic word but it is a form of biased unfair education.

If you're constantly fed videostreams of atrocities in Syria, Iraq, Kashmir, Palestine, Burma, Libya and by association linked everything to "America/Israel Conspiracy AGAINST ISLAM" coupled with a few dumb-ass speeches by people like Bush Jr and Trump and so on and then asked the question as to why media doesn't cover this side of the story? You know, stir the emotions and hate and fuel the jazbati jehadi in the "Muslims". The process called "Radicalization". It can work on anyone who's emotional and considers themselves on the "same side" as the victims of atrocities. Who might hold a BS or MS in engineering or medical but not necessarily in history or economics or politics or business.

When I say educated, I mean mature enough to realize the although Islam may be perfect, but its execution and implementation started showing cracks as early as late first century Hijri. There have ALWAYS been "hidden third parties" in the world during any time which have benefited greatly in business and money making by conspirating against governments and causing conflict. Those who own the bullets and bandages or interested in the share of booty, who don't give a rat's ass about ideology.

Agree with what you said!

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[Shyber]

Let's say they were educated and mature and not stupid and then suddenly over a period they suddenly became radical, as you said, like been given a "yellow pill" or whatever.
What if their families were held at ransom of life? What if they were coerced in another way? What if they weren't even the culprits? Who gained the most from the incident? Anyone asked these questions?

Ok, let's avoid the hidden conspiracy angle.

What provoked them? Just Islamic teachings alone? If there's a magic training that can radicalize educated people, then shouldn't the terrorists drop a recruitment bomb? I mean if it's effective enough to radicalize educated people, why doesn't it work on every educated person? I mean if it was enough to radicalize an educated Muslim, then we're talking about a million strong army at the disposal of terrorist.

Perhaps the students clearly felt that they needed to act so dramatically. I doubt it was just religious salvation they sought. Probably justice, from their angle. I mean did we even ask enough questions?

I'll reiterate my statement

Education and Knowledge is the best solution against terrorism, if everyone's fair.

I did make a case about fairness.

 

[vman111]

I do believe that Islam is radicalized, and its done by the US/Israel but its agents are the molvis, the so called preacher who spent their lives studying islam cannot dictate whats right and wrong, if you need a book to know whats right and wrong then their is something wrong with you as a human being.Children are better than adults they dont see that the person is a Jew,Muslim,Christians or Buddhist they see you as a human being.

The real problem is that women are oppressed in our society, the point that you have to wear a "duppatta" in streets so that you appear pious is a definition of being a hypocrite. My sister doesnt have to wear a dupatta and she is allowed to talk to any man she wants to because I trust her completely, the oppressing of women are traits of insecure males who never got any female attention in their life and then they start seeing women as inferior objects just to satisfy their ego.

 

[mafiadog]

The real problem is that women are oppressed in our society, the point that you have to wear a "duppatta" in streets so that you appear pious is a definition of being a hypocrite. My sister doesnt have to wear a dupatta and she is allowed to talk to any man she wants to because I trust her completely, the oppressing of women are traits of insecure males who never got any female attention in their life and then they start seeing women as inferior objects just to satisfy their ego.

Come on! The real problem you speak as if of a fact , could've said in my opinion at least. Don't really want to know what you allow your sister wife mother to do , who are you to even bother thinking what 'others' should he like. Your sis wears dupatta or not is none of your concern and why are you even degenerative enough to think or discuss this on a public forum !? All your posts show is your oppressive instincts towards society , rather than of a progressing nature you are a hurdle in development of this country. Rather than inviting all to take this country forward you are the kind who disses other communities / race / religion or ethnic divisions. Singling out molvis like they are the root problem shows your demeanour , bias and stereotypical mindset. You have propositioned and aligned yourself towards hate and your venomous post reflect your standing in real world where you are cursing , hating and flinging dirt on others.

At the end I don't mean to offend you , I might have went harsh but sadly thats now the typical mindset of our society as we believe putting blames on others is the ultimate path to nirvana. I hope you stand corrected and realize what you said. Rather than countering me digest this as a sensible more rational idea to take everyone together for the well being and the betterment of our society. We need to work with molvis as much as we need to work with so called moderates. Our solution is to forget cursing and dissing all the time , it's as much of my country as yours.




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[mafiadog]

Edited.......wrong thread

 

[Benighted]

I do believe that Islam is radicalized, and its done by the US/Israel but its agents are the molvis, the so called preacher who spent their lives studying islam cannot dictate whats right and wrong, if you need a book to know whats right and wrong then their is something wrong with you as a human being.Children are better than adults they dont see that the person is a Jew,Muslim,Christians or Buddhist they see you as a human being.

The real problem is that women are oppressed in our society, the point that you have to wear a "duppatta" in streets so that you appear pious is a definition of being a hypocrite. My sister doesnt have to wear a dupatta and she is allowed to talk to any man she wants to because I trust her completely, the oppressing of women are traits of insecure males who never got any female attention in their life and then they start seeing women as inferior objects just to satisfy their ego.

Appreciate your views, but how is that relevant to this discussion?

 

[vman111]

Appreciate your views, but how is that relevant to this discussion?

The same way Isis is relevant to Islam. Happy ;-)

 

[FUEL2009]

People killed during the reigns of non religious/athiest Dictators:

Joseph Stalin – 42,672,000
Mao Zedong – 37,828,000
Adolf Hitler – 20,946,000
Chiang Kai-shek – 10,214,000
Vladimir Lenin – 4,017,000
Hideki Tojo – 3,990,000
Pol Pot – 2,397,0003


And this was only in the 20th century.

 

[Mephisto]

-REMOVED-

Woah dude - put that bomb filled jacket aside and breath....

Now think over what you said - is this what our Prophet (PBUH) has taught us? Is this the way to react? What would he think about your response?

There are hints in this thread that you have low tolerance to this stuff but man you gotta pick up your game when it comes to patience. We spend 1 month every year in Ramadan practicing it,There are countless examples of our Prophet's patience. Islam's main core revolves around it. Better start practicing the faith properly before you start hating people who think differently.

I think you owe him an apology...

@Pseudonym - Wishing you a Happy Eid

 

[Benighted]

Absolutely needless personally abusive remarks. Leave a warning or something, [MENTION=25983]AbbY[/MENTION]

 

[GloriousChicken]

Hello guys!

I'm glad you were able to have a quality discussion.
Although I feel like the topic has gone from "Defending" islam into a place where ya'll are going to discuss eachothers view.

keep patience in check when discussing things.
Otherwise Mods will come to keep things in check.


EDIT:
Some posts have been removed as per the rules.

Please report any Off-topic or direct/indirect insults/abuses!

 

[Pseudonym]

[MENTION=4160]Mephisto[/MENTION], Khair Mubarak, Eid Mubarak : )
[MENTION=2413]mafiadog[/MENTION], kthanksbye

 

[AbbY]

We dont deserve to keep this thread open because, as a community, today you guys have failed me, yet again.

I fought against the norms to keep this thread alive and tried to do the unprecedented by allowing a "mature" discussion but it seems to me we just aren't worthy enough.

What a shame, gentlemen.
[MENTION=93260]GloriousChicken[/MENTION], [MENTION=1311]Majawar[/MENTION], [MENTION=104069]puppet[/MENTION], close all future religion related threads without fail.