Why are we struggling as a nation?

[nafu]

lol u speak too?

yeah ......actually i just joined chitchat section.....what about you

 

[Pakiyoungster]

yeah ......actually i just joined chitchat section.....what about you

GALLA beth gaya hai bol bol k

 

[refnulf]

IMO Under military rule we can do good, democracy ain't working here

Yes. Let's hand over the country to the institutionalized corruption carried out by the mighty Pakistan Army. I mean, we might as well considering how they own the country anyway, right?

oh and FYI, despite illusions about Pakistan and the reason why it was created, Pakistan was 'Pakistan' till 1956 when it became the 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan'.

Constitution of Pakistan of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Benighted]

I am done here

You should be.

"Now, I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal, and you will find that in due course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense because that is the personal faith of the individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State ". [Jinnah, Presidential Address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, 11 August 1947]

"Religion should not be allowed to come into Politics….Religion is merely a matter between man and God”. [Jinnah, Address to the Central Legislative Assembly, 7 February 1935]

 

[assuc]

Yes. Let's hand over the country to the institutionalized corruption carried out by the mighty Pakistan Army. I mean, we might as well considering how they own the country anyway, right?

oh and FYI, despite illusions about Pakistan and the reason why it was created, Pakistan was 'Pakistan' till 1956 when it became the 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan'.

Constitution of Pakistan of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So bro, you seem to progress under democracy right....
FYI have u ever came across the fact about literacy rate of Pakistan and how much people living in pakistan are literate? List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And that's the reason democracy ain't working here because people really can't decide who will be good for them especially for their country. Dictatorship is it, cause it works effectively without taking any opinion

 

[Blastwave]

So bro, you seem to progress under democracy right....
FYI have u ever came across the fact about literacy rate of Pakistan and how much people living in pakistan are literate? List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And that's the reason democracy ain't working here because people really can't decide who will be good for them especially for their country. Dictatorship is it, cause it works effectively without taking any opinion

So you're suggesting that Democracy is a huge failure? that it doesn't work anywhere?

AND are you suggesting that Pakistan needs dictatorship?

 

[sshah]

You People DO know that the Quaid wanted Pakistan to be a secular nation? Way to misread your history folks.

 

[fahad1512]

We are still stuck in ideologies unfortunately :S , waisay I would agree with blastwave cuz Quaid was a moderate person and no one would disagree with that!, and Quaid once said on a Speech at a rally at the University Stadium, Lahore (30 October 1947)

"The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan."

 

[refnulf]

So bro, you seem to progress under democracy right....
FYI have u ever came across the fact about literacy rate of Pakistan and how much people living in pakistan are literate? List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And that's the reason democracy ain't working here because people really can't decide who will be good for them especially for their country. Dictatorship is it, cause it works effectively without taking any opinion

Do you think progress takes a few years? Do you think a country like Pakistan, burdened with debt, inheriting a power crisis and saddled with a military establishment that thinks every 'bloody civilian' should lick its boots is going to achieve 'progress' in a few years?

I'm sorry if this question seems insulting, but do you actually have any semblance of an idea of how a country works, of how democracy, or of how Pakistani politics work?

And you want progress? Imran Khan is progress. I loathe the guy as a politicial entity, but he's gotten hundreds of thousands of people like us on the street. Democracy wasn't working in Pakistan because the urban middle class was too busy worrying about finances to engage in political discourse. But hey, now they aren't. Now many, many middle class Pakistanis are getting out there, registering their votes, talking about politics and engaging in debate on Facebook groups (as ridiculous as that may sound, it's still debate). THAT, is progress. That is what democracy gets you. In a dictatorship you can't change anything if things are going shit. Zia's was a dictatorship, and not one soul could do anything about it as he relegated Ahmedi's to second class status, took a massive shit on culture and the arts and turned Pakistan into a mess of conflicting religious ideologies and stone-age laws.

In a democracy if things are going shit, you can change it. You can go out and vote, and change things. If you're an IK supporter, you don't need to hope that he becomes PM - you just need to get enough votes for that man to have a fair amount of seats in the NA.

You know that PTA blanket ban on 5759875982374593 words? You know that wasn't implemented right? It wasn't implemented because people and newspapers kicked up a fuss. That gave your mobile operators balls to pressure PTA and voila, no retarded ban. Had it been a lovely dictatorship, you'd probably be finding your number disbarred because you messaged a friend to buy Assassins Creed 2.

Dictatorships are oppressive. They curtail liberty and offer you a false sense of security. Democracies work, but you have to give them time. You can't be an idiot and think that democracy would work 4 years in. It doesn't. It requires every stakeholder in Pakistan to stand up and ask for representation; to DEMAND representation.

In a dictatorship you can't choose who fucks you over. In a democracy, you can. It boils down to choice - and thank you but if I'm going to be screwed over I'd like to choose who does the screwing.

 

[Serious Sam]

Two Nation Theory does NOT equal to Pakistan being an Islamic State.

There is a difference between a state being FOR Muslims and an ISLAMIC state.

All that stuff Quaid-e-Azam said about Islam and Muslims because that was the ONLY issue they had going in their favor. Their only trump card.

Pakistan was NOT declared an Islamic state when it came into being and state religion being Islam does NOT make a state Islamic.

Pakistan was declared "Islamic Republic" in 1950s.

Can you be more specific when you use the word 'declare'?.

 

[LeGenD123]

Unity; Faith; Discipline; all of these traits are lacking in Pakistani society.

People care about their own interests, in general, in Pakistan. Those who are successful - cannot tolerate others gaining success.