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Hes probably busy looking at Powerpyx guide and trying to record some "perfect" run after dying god knows how many times so I'll answer :hah:
Don't need to try more than a couple of times (and even in those I get Wolf killed deliberately if I take damage), since the game's pretty easy :hah:

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Can i play this game if i dindt play darksouls or bloodbourne? Or will the difficulty overwhelm me?
It's mostly trial and error in all From Software games. Figuring out the best route, boss patterns. Dealing with regular enemy mobs is easier here, as you can stealth them. They generally go down in 2 hits (or 1 if you do a perfect deflection).
 
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7+ mins on Gyoubu?
Deliberately spent more time and gave him the opportunity to take away my health. But, alas, no dice.

It's certainly better than taking a hit less than 20 secs into the fight, and then proceeding to use up all available healing gourds (that too when you have 3 of them :hah:), and then barely surviving with a tiny bit of health remaining lol.

Gyoubu, a so-called "proper boss", was far less aggressive and simpler than Chained Ogre. Would be interesting to see how you fared against the latter. I liked how he performed wrestling moves. Failed to send me to suplex CiTy, though. :hah:

You failed to pull this off not twice now, but thrice.
Nah, in the Tenzen and Gyoubu's boss fight videos, I was totally spamming the block button during strikes. Outside of that, I had it held down to recover the posture gauge. The game is just so safe, and it's really easy to play it safe thanks to the block button and infinite stamina. In Bloodborne, I'd have a harder time doing the same due to the limited stamina gauge and the inability to block.

And not risking spamming the block button against perilous attacks, and instead dodging or jumping away from them, is exactly how you play it safe. Those happen rarely anyway. I blocked my way through 99% of the enemy's strikes, as per your requirement lol.

Please do make a guaranteed safety video of blocking against a boss in Sekiro
 
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It's certainly better than taking a hit less than 20 secs into the fight, and then proceeding to use up all available healing gourds (that too when you have 3 of them :hah:), and then barely surviving with a tiny bit of health remaining lol.
My aim wasn't like yours to die endlessly so I could record a "no dmg" video. If I were to do it, it certainly wouldn't take me an awful 7+ mins :hah: (That's more than I spent on Gyoubu and in a painfully slow paced game against Amydgdala combined lol)

as per your requirement lol.
Again there was no spamming like in your original claim/video lol

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Notice how I'm repeatedly spamming the guard button before an enemy's strike in the video below, and still managing to land several perfect deflections.
Didnt notice lol

In Bloodborne, its pretty darn easy to deliberately prolong fights and go on an infinite dodge spree but wheres the fun in fighting like a pussy? lol notice how its possible to never deplete even half of your stamina in the Orphan of Kos fight until you finish him off in roughly a minute with stamina to spare. Thats essentially infinite stamina abuse :hah:

 
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My aim wasn't like yours to die endlessly so I could record a "no dmg" video.
If you want to believe I did endless retries, it's fine by me. Just that there hasn't been a lot of time between me posting the last video with Tenzen and this one with Gyoubu.



The real question is, though, did Chained Ogre send you to suplex CiTy? :p

Didnt notice lol
Hard to see visually, and plus I wasn't tapping the button all the time; only when the enemy attacked. Most of the time I had block held in order to recover the posture gauge.

notice how its possible to never deplete even half of your stamina in the Orphan of Kos fight until you finish him off in roughly a minute with stamina to spare. Thats essentially infinite stamina abuse :hah:
What may apply to Orphan of Kos may not apply to other bosses. Your friend Murvego here didn't even try to take on Watchdog solo. This is their idea of cheesing that boss encounter :hah:


You and Necro are making us look like fools with these perfect runs....
Haha nah man. Can't speak for Necrokiller, but in my case, it's all trial and error. Tap block during enemy strikes, dodge away during enemy grabs, look for a safe opening in their attack patterns, dodge/jump away to recover posture when needed, rinse and repeat. Although I'm still pretty early in my playthrough, this has worked on all bosses so far. Effective use of the dodge/block/deflect combo ensures safety.
 
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If you want to believe I did endless retries, it's fine by me. Just that there hasn't been a lot of time between me posting the last video with Tenzen and this one with Gyoubu.
That doesn't mean anything really. Reaching Gyoubu after fighting Tenzen takes ~10-20mins maybe.

IWhat may apply to Orphan of Kos may not apply to other bosses.
It absolutely does though lol


Your friend Murvego here didn't even try to take on Watchdog solo. This is their idea of cheesing that boss encounter :hah:
I don't know what your definition of cheesing is, but your videos are hardly the most elegant ways of tackling boss encounters :hah:



The real question is, how much did you over-level and exploit like your friend Powerpyx in Bloodborne? No videos for those accomplishments? I guess we'll never know :p

Bloodborne – Infinite Blood Echoes and Item Duplication Exploit


Look at that damage :eek:
 

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That doesn't mean anything really. Reaching Gyoubu after fighting Tenzen takes ~10-20mins maybe.
This discussion about the number of attempts against a boss is useless, as there's no in-game stat for this. Just as there's no way I can prove I got the no-damage win against Gyoubu on my 4th attempt, there's no telling how many times you attempted to take on him before barely getting away with a win :p

It absolutely does though lol
In your second video titled "Bloodborne is too easy", the player takes decent damage from Father Gascoign lol. Definitely not my definition of "too easy".

I don't know what your definition of cheesing is, but your videos are hardly the most elegant ways of tackling boss encounters :hah:
The whole purpose of that video was to show this boulder exploit. It wasn't meant to be elegant :hah:

No videos for those accomplishments? I guess we'll never know :p
Unfortunately, nope. Though if it means anything, I did platinum the game in less than 2 weeks of its release. Less than the time available during a PS+ trial :p



Look at that damage :eek:
PowerPyx's videos aren't meant as an exhibition of skill. He focuses on easy and effective exploits that make it easy for others to follow. His guides are ultimately about achieving the platinum trophy.
 
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In your second video titled "Bloodborne is too easy", the player itakes decent damage from Father Gascoign lol. Definitely not my definition of "too easy".



Didn't even take 7 mins :hah:

This works on so many other bosses as well. A generous amount of blood vials, HP recovering, and infinitely regenerating stamina makes taking 'decent damage' almost voluntary and inconsequential lol

- look for a safe opening in their attack patterns
- Parry and go for visceral attack
- move back to recover stamina if needed
- rinse and repeat

Though if it means anything, I did platinum the game in less than 2 weeks of its release.
Unfortunately it doesn't unless you have an actual playtime stat. Even then, without viewing how you play the game, 2 weeks could be a long time just like the 7+ mins on your Gyoubu boss fight attempt lol

PowerPyx's videos aren't meant as an exhibition of skill. He focuses on easy and effective exploits that make it easy for others to follow. His guides are ultimately about achieving the platinum trophy.
It's his first attempt and he is way over-leveled lol
 

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WTH is this mikiri counter BS! As if the game wasn't safe enough already :tv:

This works on so many other bosses as well.
The gun parry doesn't work on all bosses, though, or at least the timing isn't anywhere near as lenient (Watchdog, for example).

just like the 7+ mins on your Gyoubu boss fight attempt lol
lol @ 7 mins being a long time. It wasn't a speed run. The aim was to play it safe, and demonstrate how the game lets you do so.

Chained Ogre was a more worthy opponent. How long did you take to beat him? lol

It's his first attempt and he is way over-leveled lol
He was wielding a hunter axe while you were using a saw cleaver. That alone accounts for a significant difference in damage. Also, he was level 73. What level were you when you faced Amy? It doesn't say so in your video :p

Anyways, his video is fine for the purpose of his guide.
 
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The gun parry doesn't work on all bosses, though, or at least the timing isn't anywhere near as lenient (Watchdog, for example).
Maybe not all, but just these :hah:

Main game:
Cleric Beast
Father Gascoigne
Blood-starved Beast
Shadows of Yharnam
Martyr Logarius
Micolash, Host of the Nightmare
Gehrman, the First Hunter

DLC:
Living Failures
Maria of the Astral Clocktower
Orphan of Kos

Chalice dungeons:
Merciless Watchers and Chieftain
Beast-possesed Soul
Keeper of the Old Lords
Pthumerian Descendant
Yharnam, Pthumerian Queen
Maneater Boar
Brainsucker
Forgotten Madman & Madman's Escort
Pthumerian Elder
Loran Silverbeast

There might be more actually but thats already a pretty damn long list. Fact of the matter is, you chose not to make the combat trivial, when Bloodborne throws plenty of resources and opportunities to allow it, and do your 'no damage' videos. However, for some odd reason, you want to do it for Sekiro and you had made up your mind even before tackling the first boss. If this isn't pure pure hating...:p

lol @ 7 mins being a long time. It wasn't a speed run. The aim was to play it safe, and demonstrate how the game lets you do so.
It's a very long time. Speed run is one end of the spectrum and your video is the other. Both might require cheesing/exploits depending on what you're aiming to do. I got bored 2 mins into your video lol

Chained Ogre was a more worthy opponent. How long did you take to beat him? lol
Much faster than your strategy. Didn't record so I don't know the exact figure.

Also, he was level 73. What level were you when you faced Amy? It doesn't say so in your video :p
More than 10 levels below him lol
 

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One more "no dmg" video for Necrokiller to get bored 2 mins into :hah:

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Maybe not all, but just these :hah:
So, not the game's more challenging bosses like the defiled chalice dungeon Watchdog or Laurence. There you have it :p

It's a very long time.
lol it didn't need to be short. It needed to be safe to support my argument.

Much faster than your strategy. Didn't record so I don't know the exact figure.
More than 10 levels below him lol
 
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So, not the game's more challenging bosses like the defiled chalice dungeon Watchdog or Laurence. There you have it :p
Amygdala isn't there yet I beat her on the first attempt lol. The chained ogre you found a worthy fight, you never spammed block/deflect. There you have it


lol @ "more challenging"


No damage. Never runs out of stamina. Didn't need 7 mins to play it safe. Attack, move back. Rinse, repeat.

More than 10 levels below him lol
Oh, the denial is setting in already. Lets make it more interesting then? What happens when I show you the stat window in the full video I found in the PS4 gallery? :tv:
 
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Amygdala isn't there yet I beat her on the first attempt lol.
Amy is one of the easiest bosses in the game, though :p

lol @ "more challenging"
lol seen this long ago. What you see there isn't an easy task. There's no gun parry to spam and no guard to keep you safe. Try it sometime :)

Didn't need 7 mins to play it safe.
The same amount of time it took for me to beat Chained Ogre, a far more worthy opponent than that loudmouth on a horse with cringe-worthy dialogues who wastes a majority of the time riding around in circles :p

Lets make it more interesting then?
Let's make it even more interesting by sharing that video of how you obliterated Chained Orge unscathed in less than 2 mins, as opposed to me doing the same in less than 3 :hah:
 
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Amy is one of the easiest bosses in the game, though :p
Funny that you stick to that defense but thought I had over-levelled when you saw the video and went into denial when I told you I was >10 levels lower than your cheesing mentor Powerpyx: "Guide to beating one of the easiest boss in the game - Over level the fuck out of your character" :tv:

lol seen this long ago. What you see there isn't an easy task. There's no gun parry to spam and no guard to keep you safe.
And yet, all you have to do is let him bark like an idiot and waste his breadth, go for attack and move back. Infinite stamina abuse. Looks piss easy to me.

Try it sometime :)
To record a "no damage run" and deliberately die if I take a hit? It's not like I don't know the games mechanics. For someone who has finished the game, I know this is pure pure pure boredom. No thanks :)

Besides, isn't the entire point of you making these "no damage" videos to prove exactly how easy the game is? Works for Bloodborne too :hah:

Let's make it even more interesting by sharing that video of how you obliterating Chained Orge unscathed in less than 2 mins, as opposed to me destroying him in less than 3 :hah:
Lets make it even more interesting by you recording a video destroying him in less than 2 mins using your guaranteed safety approach which you forgot as soon as you saw him :hah:
 
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Really nice upgrades to the engine all around. Game looks gorgeous.



















 
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God Necro you are really selling me with these ultrawide screenshots. Any idea about the cheapest good quality one with freesync support?

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LG has good IPS ultrawides in all price brackets. Couple of notes to keep in mind:
- Keep 29-30 inches as the minimum size
- If you want FreeSync w/Nvidia GPU you will need a model with a DisplayPort
 
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