Playstation Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 coming to PS5 in 2023, bringing Venom with it

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Content mein improvement ka tou game khel kar hi pata chalay ga, but the streaming tech is oh so good, and benefiting gameplay, unlike in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. A shame that "game-changing" RT can't be disabled in any mode now 🤷‍♂️ :LOL:
 

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Content mein improvement ka tou game khel kar hi pata chalay ga
Nahi, metacore se bhi pata chal sakta hai. BG3 followed up ToTK's 96 with a 96 of their own. Can this "oh so good streaming tech" do the same? We'll find out soon enough 🤜😂

A shame that "game-changing" RT can't be disabled in any mode now 🤷‍♂️ :LOL:
hahahahahahhaah Insomniac shoving RT on CerebralTiger. Brilliant 😂
 
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Chain these with swings and wind tunnels strategically placed around the city to get to your next objective quick
And we do that with swinging, where you can build up the speed depending on where you're released and stuff like that. That's really player-driven, but also with the web wings, the wind tunnels really push you along, and that's something that we can offer them and take advantage of, giving the player something new and interesting to scout out in the world and plot their course a little bit.
Speed achieved with wind tunnels are all pre-defined locations in the world, not player-driven.

@iampasha plz don't oversell powaa of mythical ssd 😛
 
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Traversal is 3 times faster with the slingshots that are in pre-defined locations. General traversal with the web wings is still faster than in previous Spider-Man games :LOL: 🤜

Also, even with the slinghot, you aren't on-rails or being guided in linear fashion like in Ratchet :LOL: 🤜
 

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So much for having the freedom to traverse at full speeds at will. Wonder what's holding them back now? :unsure:The mythical SSD or just their poor open world design? Pick yo poison 🤷‍♂️:ROFLMAO:
 

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So much for having the freedom to traverse at full speeds at will. Wonder what's holding them back now? :unsure:The mythical SSD or just their poor open world design? Pick yo poison 🤷‍♂️:ROFLMAO:
I mean, general traversal is faster with the web wings, so just because the fastest option exists in limited areas, it doesn't change the fact 🤷‍♂️:LOL:

Moreover, catapults are literally everywhere. There's no place you can't travel to using them. Only a few catapults are stronger slinghots, and those are strategically placed on certain rooftops :LOL:🤜


Saeen bas krdie warne is mythical SSD ki phir bezeti hojani hai
Saeenfield, aisi fade out waali fast loading tou Spider-Man remastered aur Spider-Man: Miles Morales mein bhi thi 😛

What makes the transition in Spider-Man 2 great isn't just that it loads fast, but the fact that it's a seamless transition in a dense, open-world game (FH5 has nowhere near the density). There are no fade outs. It's a testament to how great Insomniac Games' LOD tech is, and the fast IO is leveraged to be able to load all that data in quickly as the camera pans down and control is transferred to the player.
 
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What makes the transition in Spider-Man 2 great isn't just that it loads fast, but the fact that it's a seamless transition in a dense, open-world game (FH5 has nowhere near the density). There are no fade outs. It's a testament to how great Insomniac Games' LOD tech is, and the fast IO is leveraged to be able to load all that data in quickly as the camera pans down and control is transferred to the player.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA player controlled traversal to mila nahi, ab pre-defined spots se kaam chala lo , testament lulz :ROFLMAO:

They're obviously going to pan the camera when the load is done. Why does the fast travel have a long bar to fill up before the transition begins? Think CerebralTiger, think! :ROFLMAO:
 

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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA player controlled traversal to mila nahi
Kyun is it AI controlled? :ROFLMAO:

They're obviously going to pan the camera when the load is done. Why does the fast travel have a long bar to fill up before the transition begins? Think CerebralTiger, think! :ROFLMAO:
They pan the camera when enough loading is done to begin the transition. There's no point in waiting for all of it to load when much of the data can be streamed on the fly. Think Necrokiller, think :LOL:🤜
 

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Kyun is it AI controlled? :ROFLMAO:
Insomniac games have AI? That's news to me 🤷‍♂️🤣

It's developer controlled. Only possible where developer wants you to use it. Wonder why those speeds just couldn't be allowed in general. Not to mention, even those developer controlled spots are not allowing anywhere near the speed that was originally showcased in the PS5 on stage SSD demo in SM. Oh well.

AI controlled is a bit out of Insomniac's league though 🤣

They pan the camera when enough loading is done to begin the transition.
Exactly. So the loading time is actually longer than FH5 and gives them time to do fancy transitions which people mistake for "testaments to engine I/O" yikes 🤣
 
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Insomniac games have AI? That's news to me 🤷‍♂️🤣
Better AI than the one seen in that cyberpunk game you can't stop talking about :ROFLMAO:

It's developer controlled.
The web wings are player controlled, and they offer faster traversal than in previous Spider-Man games. Also, it's only the locations of the catapults that are developer controlled. What direction the player wants to slingshot in, and then web wing to, is their own decision :LOL:🤜

Exactly. So the loading time is actually longer than FH5 and gives them time to do fancy transitions which people mistake for "testaments to engine I/O" yikes 🤣
It is due to the fast IO that data loads fast enough for the transition to happen that quickly. The fast IO is also what's making the faster traversal via web wings and even faster via the catapults possible 🤷‍♂️

The loading time comparison doesn't mean anything when Forza Horizon 5 doesn't have comparable world density, nor is it going for a seamless transition. Spider-Man Remastered and Miles Morales have the same kind of blank loading screen transition that FH5 does🤷‍♂️:LOL:
 

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Better AI than
The game doesn't even have anything remotely resembling AI (same goes for any character action game or Breadth and Tears of Lulzdom :ROFLMAO: ).

When it tries, it has this:


it's only the locations of the catapults that are developer controlled. What direction the player wants to slingshot in, and then web wing to, is their own decision :LOL:🤜
Which is restricted by the point you start from in the first place which the player has no control over 🤷‍♂️:ROFLMAO:

It is due to the fast IO that data loads fast enough for the transition to happen that quickly. The fast IO is also what's making the faster traversal via web wings and even faster via the catapults possible 🤷‍♂️
Why isn't the speed always fastest? And why is the fastest speed still not anywhere close to the SSD on stage demo from SM? Why CerebralTiger, why? :ROFLMAO:

This is without even considering the pop-in that is visible throughout and far from the "pop-in free" streaming that CerebralTiger was hoping for LMFAOOO!
 
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Wow Necrokiller found a bug in the original Spider-Man's enemy AI routine, that too from the awful stealth section featuring Mary Jane. Bravo! Now think of all the brain dead instances of AI that I shared in the Cyberbug 2077 thread :ROFLMAO:

Which is restricted by the point you start from in the first place which the player has no control over 🤷‍♂️:ROFLMAO:
Catapults are scattered all over the world map. There's no section that is deliberately preventing you from using it. Only the strongest catapults are limited to a few areas 🤷‍♂️:LOL:

Why isn't the speed always fastest?
I couldn't tell you. I don't have the game's performance profiler open in front of me to see whether it's due to an IO limitation. Perhaps the strongest slingshots are intentionally limited to areas with less nearby assets that can easily be streamed, or perhaps it's simply a design choice to ensure that getting from point A to B doesn't become trivial. Would also make the game shorter and quicker to beat 🤷‍♂️

And why is the fastest speed still not anywhere close to the SSD on stage demo from SM? Why CerebralTiger, why? :ROFLMAO:
That was using PS4 quality assets from the first game, and its purpose was not to show how fast traversal in Spider-Man 2 would be. The point you should be focusing on is that even with Spider-Man 2 being a game developed for the PS5 from the ground up with higher quality assets compared to Spider-Man Remastered, general traversal is faster. It was blatantly evident from the gameplay reveal at the PlayStation showcase :LOL:🤜

This is without even considering the pop-in that is visible throughout and far from the "pop-in free" streaming that CerebralTiger was hoping for LMFAOOO!
Nobody, not even Insomniac, claimed that the game would be pop-in free. There are other bottlenecks associated with that. Data isn't just being streamed in, it's also being drawn by the GPU. But what's impressive here is that even with the higher quality assets and faster traversal, pop-in isn't worse than in the first game (probably a bit better, in fact). And it's stutter-freeee :LOL:🤜
 
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