[Help] MS from Germany/Norway or PR in Australia?

[Salvation]

Salam everyone


I think the title pretty much explains what i am gonna be asking you guys about so...let me explain the
current situation i am in.


I was unleashed on this earth 26 years ago, now working as software developer/programmer in Islamabad, and currently married.
the company i am working for is Komatsu Limited.it is multinational, stable and pays well for the little amount of work experience that i have. Despite all the
good things i have (Alhamdolillah) i am quite not satisfied. why? because i had always dreamed of working abroad,
living in europe, travelling etc. Currently, i am in a junior position with almost 2 years and 4 months of work experience.
the job timings are 9 to 6 officially but i usually end up sitting till 8 pm. while the team leads usually sit till 10pm.
Work life-balance is something of extreme importance to me. I hate it even if i have to sit 15 minutes extra after 6.
I am afraid that i will never be able to do late sittings like all other team leads do here.


Currently. i believe i have two options.


first one is to apply for MS degree in a german or norwegian university.
why these two countries? because they don't have tuition fees, good for me because i hardly have 0.9 million in my savings which go as high as 1.1 million in next year.
My elder brother is doing his MS from Denmark Technical University. It is expensive, i cannot go there.
I did apply to university of copenhagen last year, got admission but was denied of scholarship. My cgpa is 3.31 only.
Even if i get in a German or norwegian university, what are the prospects of surviving there with little amount of savings that i have while living with my wife?
What are the chances of of getting a part time job for non-native english speaker while studying and would it pay enough?
What are the chances of staying there after i have completed my graduation? My wife is also a computer science graduate and is O-levels teacher in City school's main campus
in Islamabad. so what are her chances of getting a job there either in Germany or Norway being a non-native english speaker.


Second option is to wait till i get to the 3 years of work experience mark and then apply for PR in Australia.
Australia is about 5 times more expensive than Germany when it comes to education so MS from there is not an option.
How is that as an option? would it be easy to get a job there based on an international degreefrom a third world country?
Should i save up money for about 6 months to survive till i get a job? how much money would i need? are six months enough to get a job?
What are the prospects of my wife getting a job there. she also has about 2.5 years of work experience.
are there any other factors that i should be concerned about? any other questions that i am not asking?


Sorry for going all out on questions but i am really confused and need to plan things ahead before its too late and i might run out of options.
so i am waiting for your valuable response, since a lot of members are already living abroad and have been through pretty much similar situations.

[MENTION=4177]NaNoW[/MENTION]

 

[NaNoW]

first one is to apply for MS degree in a german or norwegian university.
why these two countries? because they don't have tuition fees, good for me because i hardly have 0.9 million in my savings which go as high as 1.1 million in next year.
My elder brother is doing his MS from Denmark Technical University. It is expensive, i cannot go there.
I did apply to university of copenhagen last year, got admission but was denied of scholarship. My cgpa is 3.31 only.
Even if i get in a German or norwegian university, what are the prospects of surviving there with little amount of savings that i have while living with my wife?
What are the chances of of getting a part time job for non-native english speaker while studying and would it pay enough?
What are the chances of staying there after i have completed my graduation? My wife is also a computer science graduate and is O-levels teacher in City school's main campus
in Islamabad. so what are her chances of getting a job there either in Germany or Norway being a non-native english speaker.

Sorry for going all out on questions but i am really confused and need to plan things ahead before its too late and i might run out of options.
so i am waiting for your valuable response, since a lot of members are already living abroad and have been through pretty much similar situations.

I cant say anything about australia cause I simply dont have enough knowledge on the subject ..maybe @YanZZah or @Shyber can provide their opinion on this.

As far as Germany goes, 1) Due to the high number of applications, some German universities have start to apply a little tuition fees (i.e it was introduced in Baden Wurremburg last year but it account to 1500 euro per semester )..

In most of Germany the "administration fee" of 200 - 500 Euro per semester is to be paid - but it comes with free public transport within the city and nearby cities...which is all you need imo.

Now regarding how much can you earn, so according to regulations

As of August 2012 international students who do not come from the EU or EEA are allowed to work 120 full or 240 half days in a year. To do this they do not need authorisation from the Employment Agency, i.e. the German authorities.
International students who do not come from the EU cannot go self employed or work freelance!
If you want to work more than 120 full or 240 half days you need the approval of the Employment Agency and the Aliens Department. Whether you receive the approval depends on the situation of the job market in your place of study. In regions with high unemployment you will have little chance of working more than 120 days.
One exception, however, is the occupation of academic or student assistant. As long as your studies are not impaired by it, this work can be carried out for an unlimited period of time. The Aliens Department must still be informed if you wish to work as an academic or student assistant!
.

This means you can work for 80 hours per month. But during normal studies this is difficult to maintain and most people go for 40-60 hours per month. Using avg pay per hour (10 euro) and avg working time (60 hours/month) you can earn 600 euros per month(without tax..which comes to around 80 or so euros). This is in ideal case. Germany also has something called a "mini-job" which is 450 Euro/month for around 45 hours and alot of companies offer these.

After spending on accommodation, health insurance and other lifestyle stuff, you will not be saving much..This is what is for a single person.

You can survive Germany with English, even get a job(not high chances), but to be honest learning and knowing German is the way to go to truly prosper here and with a wife, I wouldn't risk it here. While CS people are highly in demand in Germany, that doesnt mean anything when non Eu citizens are not given priority in Job market.
@Muaaz @CobraN @CerebralTiger @Conscript @winchesterkhan and a few others are in Germany, so maybe they can shed more light.

My suggestion using logic would be, learn German till atleast B2 in Pakistan while working and saving as much money as you can..Apply to German companies directly from Pakistan (c.v in German and in English) and get a job based on your experience. Again, Germany is a great place, if you are single..but I simply cant suggest it to you as you have a wife. Maybe if both of you get in the same university, and get a mini job, you will be able to live araam se..but agan, there will be a small risk, that both of you will be eventually students here.

 

[Salvation]

My suggestion using logic would be, learn German till atleast B2 in Pakistan while working and saving as much money as you can..Apply to German companies directly from Pakistan (c.v in German and in English) and get a job based on your experience. Again, Germany is a great place, if you are single..but I simply cant suggest it to you as you have a wife. Maybe if both of you get in the same university, and get a mini job, you will be able to live araam se..but agan, there will be a small risk, that both of you will be eventually students here.

Applying to german companies while still living in pakistan would hardly ever be of any use, considering that i only have entry level experience, they could easily find a developer like myself locally there... then why they would even bother to consider my C.V? I think being married is currently a major down point, moving to germany would also put my wife's career at risk as well since she is not interested studying further and without a local education it would nearly be impossible to get a teaching level job.

I think i should quit thinking of moving to europe since it puts so much at risk. financially i am quite stable right now since i am living with my parents and they haven't placed all financial burden on my shoulders yet, its just that i don't enjoy my job and i don't like the idea of working 9 to 6 for whole life without experiencing the rest of the world. if i move to germany at this stage then i will have to start again from zero after completing MS and by that time i would be around 29 and that doesn't really seem to be a right decision. i don't know.

So lets see what others have to say about PR in Australia and its prospects. [MENTION=1054]Shyber[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8376]YanZZah[/MENTION] please!

 

[Muaaz]

As far as working life goes, I can easily say life in Germany is much harder than Pakistan. You don't have the come-and-go-as-you-please way of life here and you have to obey and life by the rules and the pace of life. It varies from person-to-person whether that's something you can accept and live with.

My first and foremost advice is always to learn German. You can get by with English short-term but if you want to settle here and care about having a social life, then learn the language. Most of the time people only think as far as leaving Pakistan but never think about their lives once they come to a foreign place.

Finding work will be far easier if you can speak some German. The Germans are tolerant and if you make mistakes, they understand and in fact encourage you to speak more.

 

[Shyber]

You're a Software Developer. You don't need Masters. PERIOD.

Life as a student in foreign countries on student visas is so much more challenging, specially after you've spent a couple of years working and earning in Pakistan. It's tough and you, being a Software Developer, do NOT require it.

I haven't been to Germany so can't comment but I've been in Australia for over 2 years and I don't see any reason to leave. My eldest brother has been here for over 20 years. Even at the lowest level, the quality of life and living standard is phenomenal. There's mutual respect irrespective of your social class, human values are abundant, everyone speaks English and there are a lot of IT jobs. The law is fair, the Islamic communities are strong with excellent Islamic school, the halal food menu is diverse and amazing.

Get a skilled immigration visa, come here, get a job and a plant your roots. If you save enough, start taking courses in a uni and get a Masters degree if you so really need it. Otherwise I recommend up-skill-ing in popular technologies like .NET, Mobile Development, Enterprise solutions, Angular/React Web development, etc. In Australia, skills speak louder than degrees. You just need a basic bachelors degree and you're good for life. in 4 years, you get the Australian passport that gets your Visa free entry in over 150 countries. In Germany, getting a German passport takes a lot longer. Plus you need to learn German. Plus the weather is a bit more extreme. In Melbourne, the coldest it gets is -4 at dusk on the coldest nights. Generally it's pleasantly between 15 and 25.

If you have more questions about Australia, I can answer. Just PM me.

 

[DogePlayer]

Id suggest that you apply for immigration to australia or canada, The money that you need for immigration is not alot and i think you have saved enough for it. Process takes 1-2 years and you can easily get a job there as software developer is on their highly skilled list. Secondly you can consult immigration people who can guide you better.

 

[bababango]

check this recent video from Germany students , it may give you an idea about current situation there.. and how you can take this as help to make yourself the decision

How To Study in Germany For Free - YouTube

 

[Major Aly]

As far as working life goes, I can easily say life in Germany is much harder than Pakistan. You don't have the come-and-go-as-you-please way of life here and you have to obey and life by the rules and the pace of life. It varies from person-to-person whether that's something you can accept and live with.

My first and foremost advice is always to learn German. You can get by with English short-term but if you want to settle here and care about having a social life, then learn the language. Most of the time people only think as far as leaving Pakistan but never think about their lives once they come to a foreign place.

Finding work will be far easier if you can speak some German. The Germans are tolerant and if you make mistakes, they understand and in fact encourage you to speak more.

Do they encourage to eat as well?

Asking for a friend

 

[potrialex]

Salam everyone


I think the title pretty much explains what i am gonna be asking you guys about so...let me explain the
current situation i am in.


I was unleashed on this earth 26 years ago, now working as software developer/programmer in Islamabad, and currently married.
the company i am working for is Komatsu Limited.it is multinational, stable and pays well for the little amount of work experience that i have. Despite all the
good things i have (Alhamdolillah) i am quite not satisfied. why? because i had always dreamed of working abroad,
living in europe, travelling etc. Currently, i am in a junior position with almost 2 years and 4 months of work experience.
the job timings are 9 to 6 officially but i usually end up sitting till 8 pm. while the team leads usually sit till 10pm.
Work life-balance is something of extreme importance to me. I hate it even if i have to sit 15 minutes extra after 6.
I am afraid that i will never be able to do late sittings like all other team leads do here.


Currently. i believe i have two options.


first one is to apply for MS degree in a german or norwegian university.
why these two countries? because they don't have tuition fees, good for me because i hardly have 0.9 million in my savings which go as high as 1.1 million in next year.
My elder brother is doing his MS from Denmark Technical University. It is expensive, i cannot go there.
I did apply to university of copenhagen last year, got admission but was denied of scholarship. My cgpa is 3.31 only.
Even if i get in a German or norwegian university, what are the prospects of surviving there with little amount of savings that i have while living with my wife?
What are the chances of of getting a part time job for non-native english speaker while studying and would it pay enough?
What are the chances of staying there after i have completed my graduation? My wife is also a computer science graduate and is O-levels teacher in City school's main campus
in Islamabad. so what are her chances of getting a job there either in Germany or Norway being a non-native english speaker.


Second option is to wait till i get to the 3 years of work experience mark and then apply for PR in Australia.
Australia is about 5 times more expensive than Germany when it comes to education so MS from there is not an option.
How is that as an option? would it be easy to get a job there based on an international degreefrom a third world country?
Should i save up money for about 6 months to survive till i get a job? how much money would i need? are six months enough to get a job?
What are the prospects of my wife getting a job there. she also has about 2.5 years of work experience.
are there any other factors that i should be concerned about? any other questions that i am not asking?


Sorry for going all out on questions but i am really confused and need to plan things ahead before its too late and i might run out of options.
so i am waiting for your valuable response, since a lot of members are already living abroad and have been through pretty much similar situations.

[MENTION=4177]NaNoW[/MENTION]

It's great that you're thinking about your future and exploring your options. Both options have their pros and cons, so it's important to weigh them carefully before making a decision.

If you decide to pursue an MS degree in Germany or Norway, you may face some challenges as a non-native English speaker. However, many universities offer language courses and support for international students. It's also possible to find part-time jobs while studying, although it may be difficult to earn enough to support yourself and your wife. After completing your degree, you may be able to stay in the country to work, but this will depend on the specific visa requirements and job market in your field.

If you choose to wait and apply for PR in Australia, you may have a better chance of finding work with three years of experience. It's important to research the job market in your field and the requirements for PR carefully. You may need to save up enough money to support yourself for several months while you search for work. It's also possible that your wife may have difficulty finding a job as a non-native English speaker, but there are many resources available for job seekers in Australia.

In either case, it's important to have a solid plan and budget before making any big decisions. Consider talking to others who have pursued similar paths, reaching out to universities and organizations for guidance, and researching the specific requirements and challenges of each option. Good luck with your decision!