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Game Design and Development Literature(Books, Papers and Articles) and Discussion

Interesting,controversial , insightful, intriguing, absurd, knowledgeable, blah blah ....you get the point..ALL game design and development literature goes here..

I will start with one very controversial one :

Ian Bogost :
Video Games Are Better Without Stories - The Atlantic

@CerebralTiger @EternalBlizzard [MENTION=38748]V3nom[/MENTION] what do say to this ?
 
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wtf was he trying to say tho, i don't understand these kind of articles jisme itni lambi kari wi ho xD

What i understood was that he was saying, that games aren't meant for storytelling and they should focus on something else, then he was nagging about why Edith Flinch game wasn't an animated film, it wouldn't have changed anything.
My response to that is. It's all bullshit xD

Quoted from the article

"The true accomplishment of What Remains of Edith Finch is that it invites players to abandon the dream of interactive storytelling at last. Yes, sure, you can tell a story in a game. But what a lot of work that is, when it’s so much easier to watch television, or to read."

I don't like reading. That doesn't mean i'll come out and say why novel, why not make it an animated film, much better and "easier" that way. I can actually see what's happening and its a lot more immersive. The writer is being too subjective imo. He thinks it's easier to watch television or to read 1000 pages but it think it's much easier to play. You are thinking, your brain is working, you have a world to explore. You ain't just sitting on your ass and getting your throat thirsty or staring at a colorful box.


"On this measure, alas, the best interactive stories are still worse than even middling books and films. That’s a problem to be ignored rather than solved. Games’ obsession with story obscures more ambitious goals anyway."

Again how the heck is he making those claims?

So according to him we should stop focusing on making games portray stories and start focusing on something else. Well industry has done this there are many popular games that have little to no story but they are popular because of their gameplays and other things. But this doesn't really mean we should stop making games that try to focus on presenting a great story and have done a job well done like "Life is Strange", "To the moon" and other multiple titles with rich storylines.
 
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why dont we just stop reading for a moment and start building an indie project with PG tag?
we beginners will learn by developing instead of looking at others
 

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Im a 3d artist!! I use my free time learning game developing! last project i did was Rally X remake!!its not fully finished! I did it on construct 2!! I can share the project you guys want to see! Im not a developer so I have very bad at coding!!
 

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Im a 3d artist!! I use my free time learning game developing! last project i did was Rally X remake!!its not fully finished! I did it on construct 2!! I can share the project you guys want to see! Im not a developer so I have very bad at coding!!
wanna work with me?
 

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Already 2 duties kar raha ho:tears: JOB and WIFE :( BC gaming zero ho gai he! bas roti bannay ke time per Clash royale khel leta ho!!:tpc:
anyway! tum kis project per kam kar rahe ho?
Never completed any project bcz m not an artist n I get them from indiedb and after few sequences sab bhaag jatay hien and project dropped :'(
 

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Game Design and Development Literature(Books, Papers and Articles) and Discussion

Interesting,controversial , insightful, intriguing, absurd, knowledgeable, blah blah ....you get the point..ALL game design and development literature goes here..

I will start with one very controversial one :

Ian Bogost :
Video Games Are Better Without Stories - The Atlantic

@CerebralTiger @EternalBlizzard @V3nom what do say to this ?
The article is absolutely bullshit , we do accept the fact that the medium isn't mature yet but it has the most potential to tell interactive stories . Games are the only medium in which you are an active participant & not a passive observer & that puts it on a massive advantage . Games like The Last of Us , Journey , Uncharted , Half Life , RE7 , Inside all are examples of it .

I've always said this to my colleagues that the industry is now being driven by the narrative storytelling & game aesthetics because anyone can come up with a decent mechanics & game dynamics these days .
 

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I've always said this to my colleagues that the industry is now being driven by the narrative storytelling & game aesthetics because anyone can come up with a decent mechanics & game dynamics these days .
Exactly i always felt story telling was itself an art, I've seen games having good story but a poor way to present that ruins the whole game. Need more talented story/script writers in the industry ;s
 

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I've always said this to my colleagues that the industry is now being driven by the narrative storytelling & game aesthetics because anyone can come up with a decent mechanics & game dynamics these days .
What you are saying of course might be true in principle. But the actual number of games with well-developed mechanics (to the point that you want to play it over and over) are in fact are small percentage.
You can move across genre to genre and see the same thing (ofc I think the actual percentage might vary quite a bit depending on the genre).

But, in general, I agree with you that the artificial compartmentalization isn't a good idea.
 
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