MULTI EB's Top 5 Console Exclusive that made PC gamers cry

[Necrokiller]

No. Let's not.

If you read my post carefully, that was the exact point I made. You're twisting numbers to your point. Someone will twist it around another way using another metric or KPI. I am against mass generalization. We do know that the number of dumb people are much higher in number than intelligent ones or those who've realized their potential intelligence.

Still cant believe Trump won?

You say youre fine with personal preferences, yet you call people out on their intelligence when they exercise it. Im not twisitng the numbers, I may not personally agree with the masses, but thats not gonna change what the numbers represent.

Buying a PC wouldnt lessen the importance of console, but you gotta realize the interest and/or value is just not there for every console gamer who preferred to invest in a console.

I never insist people to build a PC against their gaming needs. I do however clear the misconception that budget PCs in a consoles price range dont exist.

I still hold my copy of MGS4 on the PS3 that I bought on 12th June 2008 (MGS4 release date).
I sold my copy of MGSV and I do not remember any dates (despite being more recent).

Just not in the same league. So yeah, by my standards, MGS4 is your only loss, not MGSV.

Like I said for MGsV as well, I can live with that. Even if MGS4 were to run at 8K 120fps.

 

[Shyber]

You say youre fine with personal preferences, yet you call people out on their intelligence when they exercise it.

I call them out when they fail to exercise it, like in circumstances where a generally accepted good title is disrespected only because of its exclusivity on any platform.
Remember, disagreeing is acceptable but disrespecting is not.

Im not twisitng the numbers, I may not personally agree with the masses, but thats not gonna change what the numbers represent.

What DO the numbers represent? There can be debates about metrics and their interpretations. My point is, we don't need to go there to establish that there are great games that don't appeal to everyone equally but they are great, even if only a minority gets its "greatness" or if it draws a cult following. Some games might be liked/played by more people, as the numbers you quoted, because perhaps accessing those games is cheaper and easier than any other game on the planet. May be, may be not.

I never insist people to build a PC against their gaming needs.

Oh ok. It felt like that you were doing so.

Like I said for MGsV as well, I can live with that. Even if MGS4 were to run at 8K 120fps.

I respect that. But I was a VERY PC gamer when MGS4 released. Bought my PS3 on the day of MGS4's release and I considered selling it afterwards. But I just held on and on till I got a PS4 and transitioned from a PC-Primary gamer to Console-primary gamer. So I can relate very well to this article and I'm quite sure many others will too. If you don't agree, then it's understandable but you can't call it a joke (which your first post in this thread implied).

 

[Chandoo]

I respect that. But I was a VERY PC gamer when MGS4 released. Bought my PS3 on the day of MGS4's release and I considered selling it afterwards. But I just held on and on till I got a PS4 and transitioned from a PC-Primary gamer to Console-primary gamer. So I can relate very well to this article and I'm quite sure many others will too. If you don't agree, then it's understandable but you can't call it a joke (which your first post in this thread implied).

Oh, I remember that time. I recall how there was a lot of ruffled feathers when you said something along the lines of MGS4's bike chase having better graphics than anything in Crysis

 

[Shyber]

Oh, I remember that time. I recall how there was a lot of ruffled feathers when you said something along the lines of MGS4's bike chase having better graphics than anything in Crysis

What can I say, I had an eye PATCH

 

[JANARIOO]

@JANARIOO the point being, you purchased a ps4 YES ? being a proud PC gamer
@Necrokiller it's a figure of speech lol though im sure you've played ended most of these games on a ps4 too yes, i think the article is kind of a bait for pc gamers but the point being as much as the PC GAMERS are master race and all they all had to come to the peasant consoles to play these titles

the point is there is nothing wrong with keeping both machines .. ur value wont get degraded if u own a ps4 for the few exclusives and Master Race For Everything Multi.

 

[Necrokiller]

What DO the numbers represent? There can be debates about metrics and their interpretations. My point is, we don't need to go there to establish that there are great games that don't appeal to everyone equally but they are great, even if only a minority gets its "greatness" or if it draws a cult following. Some games might be liked/played by more people, as the numbers you quoted, because perhaps accessing those games is cheaper and easier than any other game on the planet. May be, may be not.

One interpretation is that just because the masses are playing it doesn't necessarily mean theyre any less great games. A small portion of the masses can be the more "intelligent" ones too. If the PS3 userbase was 70mil and not even 35 mil bought The Last Of Us, how can you claim PC gamers are "missing out" when a significant portion of the platform holders themselves dont care about it? So yes, the numbers represent the general lack of interest. Enough for the game to be profitable? Maybe, but thats another story.

I respect that. But I was a VERY PC gamer when MGS4 released. Bought my PS3 on the day of MGS4's release and I considered selling it afterwards. But I just held on and on till I got a PS4 and transitioned from a PC-Primary gamer to Console-primary gamer. So I can relate very well to this article and I'm quite sure many others will too. If you don't agree, then it's understandable but you can't call it a joke (which your first post in this thread implied).

Im not calling your arguments a joke though. Lol have you actually read the article? Dont think the writer intended a serious discussion out of it. Thats all.

 

[manigamer]

the point is there is nothing wrong with keeping both machines .. ur value wont get degraded if u own a ps4 for the few exclusives and Master Race For Everything Multi.

But than how can you be a PROUD pc gamer with that occasional itch for the peasant console ... that's just guilty pleasure i suppose

 

[JANARIOO]

But than how can you be a PROUD pc gamer with that occasional itch for the peasant console ... that's just guilty pleasure i suppose

people keep two phones, two wifes doesnt make them anything its just one is always more preferred than the other.

 

[manigamer]

people keep two phones, two wifes doesnt make them anything its just one is always more preferred than the other.

comparing phones to wifes dude haha

 

[EternalBlizzard]

Lol have you actually read the article? Dont think the writer intended a serious discussion out of it. Thats all.

I try writing all of my articles in a funny and a little sarcastic way maybe that's why you felt it xD But i think it wasn't about being serious. I just dished outta my opinion.
Of course you could argue then, why choose the title that has the words "made PC gamers cry" and not "made me cry" ? My reply to that would be cuz it would be more fun. I'd rather see a bunch of PC fanboys disagreeing even tho they played games on consoles than seeing everyone laughing and dishing out their own opinions

 

[venom]

People also fail to realize how accessible AAA gaming is, in the console Eco system. There is absolutely no doubt that PC is an absolute beast when it comes to both quality and performance. But it is also perceived as a far more expensive and complex platform to play at. We have had so many debates stating how a similar priced PC would be able to out perform a console but the mere fact that not many people know that speaks miles of the entry barriers when it comes to PC. Along with that console gaming holds a position in our living / bed room that the PC just doesn't seem to target well (if at all). The recent not so successful push by steam machines was indeed a step in the correct direction but the ones I saw were already far more expensive than the consoles already occupying the living room space.

 

[Necrokiller]

I try writing all of my articles in a funny and a little sarcastic way maybe that's why you felt it xD But i think it wasn't about being serious. I just dished outta my opinion.

Which is why you didn't get a serious response out of me

People also fail to realize how accessible AAA gaming is, in the console Eco system. There is absolutely no doubt that PC is an absolute beast when it comes to both quality and performance. But it is also perceived as a far more expensive and complex platform to play at. We have had so many debates stating how a similar priced PC would be able to out perform a console but the mere fact that not many people know that speaks miles of the entry barriers when it comes to PC. Along with that console gaming holds a position in our living / bed room that the PC just doesn't seem to target well (if at all). The recent not so successful push by steam machines was indeed a step in the correct direction but the ones I saw were already far more expensive than the consoles already occupying the living room space.

Even the user friendly nature of the consoles is waning gradually behind the enormous patches, system updates, installation progress and storage management. "Insert and play" days are long gone. My experience has been pretty darn annoying with a 500GB PS4, which feels like a handicapped 250GB HDD. 500GB is decent storage space on PC. Sure you could upgrade your HDD, but fact is the PS4 OS handles everything poorly.
Between Steam's Big Picture mode and the Steam controller, PC fits in the living room environment with ease. PC is only complex now for those console gamers who don't even frequent message boards or are tech savy enough to tell you why a PS4 Pro is better than OG PS4. Those average joes who choose games by judging covers in a Gamestop and ask their employees what they should play next

 

[Chandoo]

Which is why you didn't get a serious response out of me


Even the user friendly nature of the consoles is waning gradually behind the enormous patches, system updates, installation progress and storage management. "Insert and play" days are long gone. My experience has been pretty darn annoying with a 500GB PS4, which feels like a handicapped 250GB HDD. 500GB is decent storage space on PC. Sure you could upgrade your HDD, but fact is the PS4 OS handles everything poorly. Between Steam's Big Picture mode and the Steam controller, PC fits in the living room environment with ease.

A few nitpicks here:

- The PS4 OS doesn't handle everything, at least you're able to delete data and manage storage options, XB1 doesn't let you do any of it.

- Replacing HDD on PS4 is literally even easier than replacing it on a PC, it's just one screw, pull out caddy, insert new drive, screw back in. Also, my pro has a 1TB HDD, the OS takes around 100GB of it, which probably serves as the cache too. 500GB is too little especially if you plan to have more than a few games installed at one time. 1TB has served me sufficiently so far. At this moment I have 6 full disc games installed and around 9~ digital games after the recent sales and 5 demos. I still have 500GB+ space left.

- Insert and play is very much still alive. Not every game comes with a mammoth Ubisoft style 8~10GB patches. Most of the games I'm playing these days were plug and play. Yakuza 0, no patch at all, insert disc, disc icon spins for 5~8 seconds, start game, go. Same for Tales of Berseria. RE7 had a day 1 patch but it was only a 200~ MB. The same devs who put out 20GB patches on PCs are the ones who tend to put out big patches on consoles as well.

- The last PS4 system update was similarly just 200MB or so in size, it doesn't take more than a minute on any half decent connection. Similarly, you're completely able to download patches in the background while playing another game on consoles too so it's not like you just have to sit at a black screen and can't do anything until a game patch finishes.

 

[Necrokiller]

A few nitpicks here:

- The PS4 OS doesn't handle everything, at least you're able to delete data and manage storage options, XB1 doesn't let you do any of it.

Thats a pain in the ass itself. I had close to twice the amount of free space available than listed on the PSN game page and I wasn't able to download the RE7 demo til I deleted more things.

- Replacing HDD on PS4 is literally even easier than replacing it on a PC, it's just one screw, pull out caddy, insert new drive, screw back in. Also, my pro has a 1TB HDD, the OS takes around 100GB of it, which probably serves as the cache too. 500GB is too little especially if you plan to have more than a few games installed at one time. 1TB has served me sufficiently so far. At this moment I have 6 full disc games installed and around 9~ digital games after the recent sales and 5 demos. I still have 500GB+ space left.

More than a few? I have all these games installed ready to click and play and its taking ~500GB. Take away 4-5 games so you have 100GB for Windows and still a 500GB HDD can hold 15+ games.

Spoiler: show

Battlefield 1
Forza 6 Apex
Halo 5 Forge
NBA 2K17
Witcher 3
Arkham Knight
Rise of the Tomb Raider
DX Human Revolution + Missing Link DLC
DX Mankind Divided
Witcher 2
Firewatch
Tales from the Borderlands
Lord of the Fallen
Shadow Warrior 2
Owlboy
Might No 9
Wolf Among Us
Dirt 3 Complete Edition
Dark Souls 1
Ori and The Blind Forest
Mark of the Ninja
Torchlight 2
Jet Set Radio

- Insert and play is very much still alive. Not every game comes with a mammoth Ubisoft style 8~10GB patches. Most of the games I'm playing these days were plug and play. Yakuza 0, no patch at all, insert disc, disc icon spins for 5~8 seconds, start game, go. Same for Tales of Berseria. RE7 had a day 1 patch but it was only a 200~ MB. The same devs who put out 20GB patches on PCs are the ones who tend to put out big patches on consoles as well.

Its that simple on Steam too, which I know I can't convince you of. Steam automates even the setup process for some games which require their own packages to be installed so you don't have to press "next, next" anymore. And once your game is "downloaded", you just hit play and you're in the game.

 

[Chandoo]

Its that simple on Steam too, which I know I can't convince you of. Steam automates even the setup process for some games which require their own packages to be installed so you don't have to press "next, next" anymore. And once your game is "downloaded", you just hit play and you're in the game.​

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I do still occasionally play games on my laptop, I know how PC installation works lol. It's not as bad as it used to be back in the Pentium days of replacing discs 1 through 5.

 

[Necrokiller]

I do still occasionally play games on my laptop, I know how PC installation works lol.

I doubt that
Point being, consoles are not the fairy tale land of hassle free gaming everyone likes to portray them as. The issues are more or less the same.

And...TLG still runs like shit after the latest patch.

 

[Chandoo]

TLG has always ran like shit, only way to get it working on a solid 30 was forcing Pro at 1080p. The game was in development hell for over 10 years, I think we can safely chalk it up to the development here, not the hardware

 

[Necrokiller]

TLG has always ran like shit, only way to get it working on a solid 30 was forcing Pro at 1080p. The game was in development hell for over 10 years, I think we can safely chalk it up to the development here, not the hardware

Performance issues are always about the development, its not like they were trying to develop it for a Nintendo console. But why should the consumer care? Dont people buy console to get away from this headache?

 

[NaNoW]

Thats a pain in the ass itself. I had close to twice the amount of free space available than listed on the PSN game page and I wasn't able to download the RE7 demo til I deleted more things.


More than a few? I have all these games installed ready to click and play and its taking ~500GB. Take away 4-5 games so you have 100GB for Windows and still a 500GB HDD can hold 15+ games.

Spoiler: show

Battlefield 1
Forza 6 Apex
Halo 5 Forge
NBA 2K17
Witcher 3
Arkham Knight
Rise of the Tomb Raider
DX Human Revolution + Missing Link DLC
DX Mankind Divided
Witcher 2
Firewatch
Tales from the Borderlands
Lord of the Fallen
Shadow Warrior 2
Owlboy
Might No 9
Wolf Among Us
Dirt 3 Complete Edition
Dark Souls 1
Ori and The Blind Forest
Mark of the Ninja
Torchlight 2
Jet Set Radio

Its that simple on Steam too, which I know I can't convince you of. Steam automates even the setup process for some games which require their own packages to be installed so you don't have to press "next, next" anymore. And once your game is "downloaded", you just hit play and you're in the game.

Why does every freaking thread become this !?

 

[Chandoo]

Performance issues are always about the development, its not like they were trying to develop it for a Nintendo console. But why should the consumer care? Dont people buy console to get away from this headache?

They do and like I said it is possible to run TLG in a smooth solid 30 FPS, which is by playing it 1080p via the Pro. Even in 4K, the worst drop is 25~. OG PS4 has the worst of it though, not a problem on Pro though