Does Evolution rule out the existence of Extraterrestrial life?

[Shyber]

I think those who BELIEVE in Extraterrestrial life do so because of their partial/complete belief in Evolution.

To all internet jihadi's here, I will only say this

LOL. True, up until Science disagrees with itself over some years/decades.

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People in the old times believed the world was flat. If anybody disagreed with that notion, they were burned at the stake. Some people still hold this opinion even today. Some even believe the earth to be the center of the universe :lol:



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You reminded me of this book: http://www.thomaslfriedman.com/bookshelf/the-world-is-flat
(A pretty interesting read, specially for IT related guys).

 

[opethian]

Nobody is claiming to know everything. Presumptions lead to disaster. If you're not willing to listen or understand, why should we waste our time & effort in trying to enlighten you. First, try to open you narrow mind, ask the questions you've never asked before, or are too afraid to ask. Secondly, you still didn't answer my question about the age of the earth. Kindly shed some of your expert opinion on it.

ist of all am i denying anything u say but ur denying everything i say as u said Presumptions lead to disaster ... y ur presuming i m not ready to listen or understand ... ap nay abhe tak kuch bataya he nahe mujay ... har sawal pay keh rahe ho jao khud parho ;p
and what reference should i give to u ... i just have a religious versions which is not allowed to discuss ... n these religious books references also dnt exactly date the age of earth ... its a further human interpretation of that raw information ... But if u insist to ask me i will try my best to not hint any religious thing into it n u also try to read my post just like a reference from any other book ... Can u read it with a neutral mind also ... 'JUST SHOW ME SOME LOVE' ;p
Okay ... No heavenly book categorically says age of man is 6000 yrs its a human interpretation ... bibile gives u timelines of prophets n various other incidents of history which people like us added up n stated bibile says adam came 4000 before bible ... similarly Quran also doesnt say specifically about the age of earth. It says that God made the Earth and the Universe in 6 'Yaums'. Now it depends on the tranlator/interpreter/mufassir what this word YAUM means. It means PERIODS. The period can be days, months, years, centuries, millineums or billion years etc ... So it's choice of interpreter how wana read it ... if u allow me more ... me being an interpreter of quran can even do the maths jugglery n even comeup with 18.6 billions yes age of universe n around 6 billion years age of earth ...
2ndly if u read my posts i am continuously reading with a much open mind these theories but i need some answers to 'ORGANIZE THE DISORDERED INFORMATION FROM MAN N GOD'... so what more u expect me to do ... cant u be nice n address me with patience ...

 

[Blastwave]

You guys need to read more, understand more.

Just sayin

 

[opethian]

You guys need to read more, understand more.

Just sayin

Nae yar only "I" have to "READ N UNDERSTAND" ...
Just saying


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[Blastwave]

Nae yar only "I" have to "READ N UNDERSTAND" ...
Just saying


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All I see is emotional drivel here. Kids don't want to learn and understand.

You're preaching to the wrong crowd man

 

[opethian]

All I see is emotional drivel here. Kids don't want to learn and understand.

You're preaching to the wrong crowd man

Nae yar I am not preaching im trying to learn from them ... But ...
Khair ill not quit seeking knowledge ...


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[NaNoW]

they are not gonna stay apart and u know that.. don't you blind faith and a questioning mind cannot stay in peace together.. in time, one will destroy the other.

If you are refering to religion as blind faith and scinece as questioning mind, I completely disagree with you. A religious mind can be a questioning one and not everyone believes in religion on bases of blind faith. The way,generally and unfortunately, religion is taught is "ask no questions" and complete submission without any argument attitude, which in my opinion is opposite to what the aim of a religion should be. It should be able to provide spiritual enlightenment without suppressing other elements.

 

[Nauman 360]

Khair ill not quit seeking knowledge ...


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that's the spirit! the best way for all of us to find the truth is to seek it out for ourselves.

 

[kalmati14]

You guys need to read more, understand more.

Just sayin

I agree. We need to read more than just one book.

 

[opethian]

in my personal opinion ... science n religion can live in perfect harmony provided both have patience for each-other ... if i dnt have patience to listen to my opponents questions how can i answer them ...

The way,generally and unfortunately, religion is taught is "ask no questions" and complete submission without any argument attitude

waisay this rigid attitude is not at all true representation of any religion i think ... no religion n i mean 'no religion' is as such ... people, a man, who controls those religious positions make portray them as such ... dnt we see an under-qualified teacher banishing students for asking difficult questions ... same is the case with these religious 'THEKEDAARS'
2ndly ... we inherited out respective religions so we dnt know how a religion is preached ... or how some one converts to or from a religion ...
every thing requires an argument to make an impact ... when a man cant accept other man's simple theory without getting any evidence how can a religion be accepted by same man ... even if ur following any religion u have a right to do ur research ... find answers ... dnt confuse our cultural attitude with a religious attitude ... unfortunately this attitude is more pronounced in subcontinent ...

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I agree. We need to read more than just one book.

i agree ... i say we should read ALL BOOKS ... n if we cant read ourselves we should help eachother ... cause we cant be jack of all master of none ...

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that's the spirit! the best way for all of us to find the truth is to seek it out for ourselves.

dnt be so selfish ... we have an entire sections for talkin n giving free trouble shooting for xbox, pc, ps3 but we dnt have patience or i will say ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE to teach someone about a new idea ... ;p

 

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[AsliSarmachar]

Thanks god the fighting is over.

 

[kalmati14]

Thanks god the fighting is over.

Which god?

 

[Newton]

they are not gonna stay apart and u know that.. don't you blind faith and a questioning mind cannot stay in peace together.. in time, one will destroy the other.

well even our religion tells to look, observe and question so that the realization can dawn on you. i dont think there is anything wrong in questioning or being inquisitive. the way religion is taut in our country i.e. 'no questions asked', 'molvi sahab nay kaha tha', 'kehtay hain' etc is wrong

 

[opethian]

well even our religion tells to look, observe and question so that the realization can dawn on you. i dont think there is anything wrong in questioning or being inquisitive. the way religion is taut in our country i.e. 'no questions asked', 'molvi sahab nay kaha tha', 'kehtay hain' etc is wrong

Who stopped u from asking???
N what exactly were u asking ur molvi???
Yar most people will agree with me that most molviz are those who couldn't become anything else in life n chose teaching religion same like our most school teachers teaching us maths, science n especially geography
How many people around us choose teaching or becoming molvi/priest etc as a profession Or dream about it from their childhood??? May it be teaching science or spirituality ... N a typical molvi very much falls in the same category or may be even below them ...

O koi meray sawalon ka b jawab day day ... lol [MENTION=26483]JKhan[/MENTION] [MENTION=22411]kalmati14[/MENTION] n [MENTION=2177]Nauman 360[/MENTION] ...



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[kalmati14]

Who stopped u from asking???
N what exactly were u asking ur molvi???
Yar most people will agree with me that most molviz are those who couldn't become anything else in life n chose teaching religion same like our most school teachers teaching us maths, science n especially geography
How many people around us choose teaching or becoming molvi/priest etc as a profession Or dream about it from their childhood??? May it be teaching science or spirituality ... N a typical molvi very much falls in the same category or may be even below them ...

O koi meray sawalon ka b jawab day day ... lol [MENTION=52354]jdkhan[/MENTION] kalmati n nauman ...



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Nah... My lips are sealed now. No point arguing about anything now. Blastwave gave me my last warning and banned nauman.

 

[opethian]

Nah... My lips are sealed now. No point arguing about anything now. Blastwave gave me my last warning and banned nauman.

Did u read my pm link?
Any common grounds u found there???
Untill we dnt cross our bounds I think we r pretty much safe from getting banned ... So lets just discuss ... Ill not abuse "Darwin" I promise
Cause what I sent u in pm ... Really astonished me ...


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[Newton]

Did u read my pm link?
Any common grounds u found there???
Untill we dnt cross our bounds I think we r pretty much safe from getting banned ... So lets just discuss ... Ill not abuse "Darwin" I promise
Cause what I sent u in pm ... Really astonished me ...


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can i have that pm too?

 

[opethian]

can i have that pm too?

ist read this ...
Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
n just imagine that this statement is more than 1400 yrs old ...

 

[opethian]

pm sent ...