[OT] .::The Official 3G/4G LTE Thread::.

[shaheerk]

[MENTION=63376]shaheerk[/MENTION]

As for Mobilink building more sites that doesn't seem likely, unless they really have to. Most likely they will refarm or buy more mhz (less likely). As a personal choice I don't like these ugly sites sticking out everywhere.

True.

As for 15mhz Zong you witnessed- (I don't know if you are aware of this) networks actually use different chunks of frequency in different locations largely dependent on congestion/customers in particular area.

Networks may use lower frequencies such as 700, 800, 850, 900 mhz in rural parts with lets say 10 mhz where there is less population. In urban areas they may use 40 mhz in densely populated high traffic areas (of those 40 mhz 20 mhz on 2300 mhz and 20 mhz on 1800 mhz for 4g in same location).

So Zong using 15mhz on 1800 mhz and Telenor using 5mhz and 3mhz is the first to happen in Pakistan. Yet to see how Mobilink will play with it's mixture of frequency- things might get a little interesting.

I understood how it's deployed ("in chunks") and all, but not the actual spectrum bit. As in, frequency reuse and spectrum size have an inverse relationship, which means I'm missing something in my literature.

And unless I don't understand it, it's going to bug me (I'm one of those guys who like to understand what's going on, if I'm interested). But...

I just believe networks should not be obsessed over. Data should work consistently with acceptable speeds something like how Warid use to- it wasn't fast but it was consistent. Once in peace forget about these networks.

This.

[Quote/] I wonder if I should start making calls from the bathroom maybe the voice quality increases. ;-) [/quote]

Nah. Too much echo. Besides, when taking a dump, you don't want the other person to know what you're up to...

I wonder how many people can sit and talk face to face without checking their phone every few minutes?

The predicament of the 21st century world - can't drop their phones to have a face to face chat.

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[shaheerk]

Quick edit: I think I may know why Telenor has a worse SNR: because of the transmission power. There's a logarithmic formula involved (and I'm not an engineer, so I'm going to leave it right there).

Back before 3G, I know Telenor used to beam signals at my house, and then they stopped indoor coverage. I read then that transmission power also affects the spread of the signal as well.

And the higher the power (I just read online), the better the SNR (which works up to a limit before you need additional spectrum).

Telenor overcame this lower power decision by deploying more towers (which helps in the coverage, but not necessarily the SNR). Mobilink has high power transmitters (this, I'm sure), combined with the fact that interference and tower height/placement also favor Mobilink.

Sometimes, after reading up on this, I wish I was an engineer. Most of the time, I'm GLAD I'm not!

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[zafarabbasrizvi]

[MENTION=63376]shaheerk[/MENTION] Call quality on Zong in Faisalabad is as much clear that you can literally record a song on phone lols. Telenor has full 3G coverage with both 850 and 2100 MHz but their call quality have so much distortion even on full coverage (Telenor tower is 2 streets away from my house and I get around -70 to -80 dBm). Jazz's call quality is good all over faisalabad but it was very bad inside my house but yesterday I made a call and I was getting full 3G coverage inside with better call quality. But still Zong's call quality is best among all 3 companies.
Ufone on the other hand has a above average call quality but problem with Ufone is even if you dial a number to a phone holding in your other hand it says sometimes number is not reachable (U to U). And if you made a call on other network it get connected but no one on their side hear each other in first attempt. You have to disconnect and call again.
. [MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] [MENTION=42544]murtaza12[/MENTION] I faced same issue on Telenor. H or H+ sign stuck with upload/download sign (upward/downward arrows). And when I turn off data it take few 10-20 seconds to disappear. And than I had to turn data on again for browsing. This usually happened when data packets lost due to interference and here [MENTION=63376]shaheerk[/MENTION]'s theory prooves that Telenor get more effected by interference as compare to others.
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As [MENTION=136954]psy13[/MENTION] said different companies usea different frequencies at different locations in different circumstances. You might find Zong using 15 MHz of 1800 MHz for 4G at specific urban areas where ratio of smartphones are more than 2G feature phones. There Zong is in position to decrease 2G spectrum due to lesser number of users and refarm some of its spectrum to utilise for better services.
Same theory applies on Teleneor where it is using 3 MHz of 1800 for 4G. Telenor can never take this risk at rural area where 2G users are lot more than 3G/4G.
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All [MENTION=63376]shaheerk[/MENTION] said about Telenor's position and its exit it true. If you think rationally, it should be Telenor who can buy Zong rather than vice versa. The article mentioned by [MENTION=42544]murtaza12[/MENTION] regarding Jazz cash overtaking murtaza12 is about mobile accounts only. Since Jazz is an urban brand and Telenor a rural one, Jazz can easily have more number of jazz cash accounts because mostly urban users use these accounts in their smartphones. But still easypaisa is a market leader in business and atill people go to retailers and said BHAI YEH PAISAY EASYPAISA KARNE HYN same like people go to leopards or OCS and ask BHAI YEH PARCEL TCS LAR DEN. Eaypaisa is brand turned product same like TCS(courier) or Pamper(diaper).
So there seems no reason for Telenor's exit from Pakistan and these are only rumors. Aur Allah karay yeh rumours hi hon.

sorry for a long post

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[Leon]

The new zong package of 300mb whatsapp bundle for rs. 15. Do you need to have balance in the sim for it to work? I have the package but whatsapp or anything is not working on 4g.

Also i heard someone say on ProPK there is a Jazz whatsapp monthly bundle which gives 10000 sms free and whatsapp voice n video calls are free on that bundle aswell, wtf?


Lol look what it is guys, False f... advertising by Zong.

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[iNCEPTiON]

[MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] the same thing happened to me as well.
The mobile data icon would still show either H+ or 4G, but nothing would work. Some apps would say no internet connection and some just took forever to load and then timed out. Sometimes toggling the mobile data button would fix it, but sometimes I'd have to toggle flight mode as well to get it back on.
Only happened with Telenor. [emoji14]

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Yep same happens to me...

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[iNCEPTiON]

I would like a prepaid package/network suggestion.

I'm currently on Warid. I'd like a package (any network) that allows some offnet and onnet calls, a couple 100 sms and a decent amount of internet data. Any monthly package would do.

Just get Jazz 250rs package 3000Mb data.. It works on Warid too... And get jazz onnet offer...

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[Witch3r]

Old article. But worth reading.

Zong Shows Interest to Purchase PTCL & Ufone: Etisalat Confirmed - PhoneWorld

 

[psy13]

[MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] I may have read your post wrong and it may have been my failure to understand. The problem I was referring to is fb videos not playing or whatsapp with delayed messages. This is what I and some other people I know of use to witness overseas and I a few times here. Problem use to fix itself usually.

As for H and H+ sign appearing and then nothing opening or with delay has happened to me on Telenor consistently. When mobile data is turned ON H or H+ it takes a while to show and when mobile data is turned off it takes a few seconds for the H or H+ sign to dissappear. Where as on Mobilink it is quite fast to turn mobile data ON and start using Internet. On Telenor sometimes things don't open when mobile data is turned on.

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[iNCEPTiON]

[MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] I may have read your post wrong and it may have been my failure to understand. The problem I was referring to is fb videos not playing or whatsapp with delayed messages. This is what I and some other people I know of use to witness overseas and I a few times here. Problem use to fix itself usually.

As for H and H+ sign appearing and then nothing opening or with delay has happened to me on Telenor consistently. When mobile data is turned ON H or H+ it takes a while to show and when mobile data is turned off it takes a few seconds for the H or H+ sign to dissappear. Where as on Mobilink it is quite fast to turn mobile data ON and start using Internet. On Telenor sometimes things don't open when mobile data is turned on.

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Its okay.. Its the worse experience... Never happened that on Mobilink for me...

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[junejo]

The new zong package of 300mb whatsapp bundle for rs. 15. Do you need to have balance in the sim for it to work? I have the package but whatsapp or anything is not working on 4g.

Also i heard someone say on ProPK there is a Jazz whatsapp monthly bundle which gives 10000 sms free and whatsapp voice n video calls are free on that bundle aswell, wtf?


Lol look what it is guys, False f... advertising by Zong.

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Yes jazz has free unlimited whatsapp on monthly Sms package I have been using this package ever since I got my mobilink sim, max speed I have seen while loading videos is 1MB/second (capped speed on prepaid)

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[shaheerk]

I was at Pindi Golf Club today, and here are my observations:

1. Telenor's signal was weaker than Mobilink's. But in spots where it wasn't weaker, it wasn't exactly usable. I tried conducting different tests, and saw that Mobilink generally gave higher speeds at the same or slightly weaker signals.

This was the best I got from Telenor:

And this was the norm:

Not very impressive, and this was both indoor (near the windows, around the ground) and outdoor (right in front of the ground, and zero obstructions).

Mobilink gave me results ranging from 1Mbps to 5Mbps, at the same dBm level.

So Mobilink has the edge in 3G the speeds. Hands down!

Also, oddly, I saw my phone would sometimes lose signal as well at Golf Club... And reminded me of what [MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] was saying. I think - and I could be wrong - Telenor is actually doing something. I say this because whenever they are setting up a new tower, you get the signals but you can't latch onto it. When my phone disconnected (twice) from the network, once, it showed that it was trying to connect to 3G on 850Mhz, and at another time, 4G at 1800Mhz. I couldn't get the screenshot for the 850Mhz connection attempt, but did for 4G:

See how there are no signal bars on the top right?

I had to toggle airplane mode at this time to get it to connect to another tower, and when it did, the frequency was 2100Mhz. It never connected to 850Mhz in this area.

It did, however, fall back to Edge a few times when the phone was in my pocket (so did Mobilink).

I tested the connection at AFIC parking lot, and got 7Mbps down (when SNR was good). No 4G.

I'm now near KFC/Chen One, Saddar, and have 4G (downloads peaked at 4.3MB/s, and I got free 100MB of 4G internet, according to their message):

What about 3G in the same exact spot? Well, not so great signal:

So. When you have good signal, it works well. When the noise is high, performance suffers quite a bit. And simultaneous voice and data isn't working still (I'll check it out tomorrow, since I think the weekend is a factor).

I've made my verdict, but I'm keeping mum on it yet.

But [MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] and [MENTION=42544]murtaza12[/MENTION], I think you guys are facing these random disconnection issues because Telenor is testing 850Mhz signals at your places (they were testing them at my place some months back, when I saw I could get Telenor signals at my home, but when I inserted a SIM card, it just wouldn't connect - but it does now) and the only way to fix it is to either move to a different area, or toggle airplane mode.

Yes, I know it can get irritating, but it's clearly an issue which will be resolved sooner than later. When? I don't know. But will it? Yes. And when it does, you'll see your phone doesn't lose signal automatically.

So clearly, they're trying. But the fact that they're releasing the load on their 3G network, and not focusing on 4G, is a little concerning... They're advertising as having 4G signal inside houses (which means good coverage), but that's not entirely true.



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[iNCEPTiON]

Yes jazz has free unlimited whatsapp on monthly Sms package I have been using this package ever since I got my mobilink sim, max speed I have seen while loading videos is 1MB/second (capped speed on prepaid)

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mobilink doesnt have voice calls or video calls included

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[iNCEPTiON]

[MENTION=63376]shaheerk[/MENTION]... I am not losing signals.. it would show H or H+ sign but nothing works and apps show there is no internet connection....so I have to turn Data Off and then On

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[Leon]

Yes jazz has free unlimited whatsapp on monthly Sms package I have been using this package ever since I got my mobilink sim, max speed I have seen while loading videos is 1MB/second (capped speed on prepaid)

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Are voice and video calls unlimited?



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[junejo]

mobilink doesnt have voice calls or video calls included

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Yes they do I did video call testing on that bundle with zero balance.

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[zafarabbasrizvi]

Old article. But worth reading.

Zong Shows Interest to Purchase PTCL & Ufone: Etisalat Confirmed - PhoneWorld

This is old and false article. Etisalat CEO denied this news officially.

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[Tausif01]

Didn't received my mobilink bill last month and it seems will not get this month too. Ecare application also not working.

 

[shaheerk]

@shaheerk... I am not losing signals.. it would show H or H+ sign but nothing works and apps show there is no internet connection....so I have to turn Data Off and then On

Oh - then I'm not too sure. I was travelling, and there was one small patch in Chak Shehzad where data wasn't working (signals weren't weak as such, but they weren't strong either). Maybe they're related? But after I crossed that patch (and presumably connected to another tower), the net began to work, so I don't know if it's the same issue or not.

But yeah - as a customer, you shouldn't have to toggle airplane mode on and off all the time. That's not good.

 

[zafarabbasrizvi]

Another take on Rumored Zong-Telenor merger

Since Telenor is in need to have money for its European operations and upcoming 4G auction of Bangladesh (lucrative market for them), they might get some money from sale of Indian operations but why they will sale operations in Pakistan where they are already on second spot? Here is another take on it.

What if Zong pay 50% value of Telenor in cash and remaining as shares in merged company? like 30% or 40%? Telenor will get enough money to invest in Bangladesh and Europe. And will remain in Pakistani market as part of market leader. This will deffinitly boost average ARPU of both companies as Zong has good data revenue and Telenor a voice revenue.

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Now if we look at merged spectrum of both companies, its pretty lucrative

900 MHz Telenor 5 + Zong 7= 12 MHz
1800 MHz Telenor 8.8 + Zong 6+10= 24.8 MHz
2100 MHz Telenor 5 + Zong 10= 15
850 MHz Telenor 10 MHz

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This means merged company will have 15 MHz for 3G in 2100 MHz, 30 MHz for 4G (10 MHz of 850 MHz and 20 MHz of 1800 MHz) and 16.8 MHz for 2G (12 MHz of 900 MHz and 4.8 MHz of 1800 MHz)

Now question is IF (and there is big if) this merger ever happened, will it be beneficial for market and consumers or cause troubles? Since all of us have decribed how it will decrease competition, lets see other side of the story.

Although merger will decrease competition in market but a merged company will deffinitly hold edge over spectrum allocation and congestion issues. 15 MHz 3G and 30 MHz 4G will be great for users. And merged company will also be in better position to compete with jazz, otherwise jazz as 40% share holder of market will eat voice business of other telecos because people will deffinitly want to have 1 sim of Jazz for calls due to large number of users on own network and this will badly effect voice revenue of other operators. And if there will be 2 equally big companies, this will somehow spice up the competition between two companies. Look at this side of the story as well.


Note: This analysis is purely based on rumors and have no evidence to proove but just to show other side of coin called merger (IF ever happened).

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[iNCEPTiON]

Telenor 3G... No 4G yet..
Dhok Ratha Rawalpindi..
Avoid written Mobilink as sim 1 has it and opensignal picks that only and not Sim 2...

Mobilink 4G same location

Mobilink 3G same location

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