Origins of Patriarchy and its ground realities

[LeGenD123]

NOTE: The purpose of this thread is to explain the origins of Patriarchy and reasons that facilitated it development in history. And I insist on constructive discussions.

Foundations Of Civilization by Charles E. Corry, Ph.D.

The aforementioned link provides information that Feminists do not want you to know. It also explains how institution of marriage came into existence.

In-fact, all modern societies are modeled on patriarchal developments in history including (moral) social constructs such as religions and institution of marriage.

All of our present civilization stems from the social and biological revolution inherent in the development of the patriarchal method of associating children with their biological fathers. Reflecting the power of patriarchy, Confucius (551 B.C.-478? B.C.) stated that "The strength of a nation derives from the integrity of the home."

To know paternity required basic changes in ancient human society. Without means of birth control women could not be allowed to have sexual relations with any man except their mate. So marriage was invented and rigid strictures placed on women that are still reflected in many societies and religions.

Patriarchy had its shortcomings and/or loopholes as well since the patriarchal pendulum swung too far in favor of men in some societies and this was not a fair development. First wave of Feminism was a genuine effort in uplifting the rights of women in (Western) patriarchal societies but modern Feminists have gone too far; they always portray patriarchy in negative light because it imposes restrictions on female sexuality and expression (essentially, the right of women to be immoral and spoiled like they used to be long time ago). They regard institution of marriage and other systems that had been designed to minimize immortality in societies in history as oppressive to women. They also have the unhealthy tendency to frown upon any expression in favor of men and want to restore historical matriarchal immoral structures that patriarchy addressed. Not surprisingly, modern Feminists are pro-porn. Of-course, not all modern Feminists are extremists and they tend to be egalitarian which is better.

Unfortunately, the feminist movement had a radical branch whose members believed that it was the patriarchy that was causing the oppression of women and that we should revert back to the presumed, and largely invented, gentler, kinder matriarchy of old. Many of these radical feminists also adopted the failed Marxist ideology that class struggle begins in the family. Thus, according to this dogma, to attain true "gender equality" the institution of marriage must be destroyed, and families must go as well if women are to achieve their full potential.

Patriarchy gives the vibe of male dominance because it was an effort by men to define moral code and eliminate barbarism and it was a necessary development to ensure sanctity of fatherhood, development of civilization, and progress of humanity in the long-run. In short, it was a well-organized effort to establish a civilization in history and was not an EVIL development.

 

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[mafiadog]

Call me sexist but except for giving and raising men their contribution to the glorious civilization is none. Too many women rights organizations but none for the poor enslaved men who are paraded on the streets , killed daily and always end up on the bad side of law. We are the ones tortured , humilated , born to work , and lot of other expectal tendencies . May men find better fortunes , amen.

 

[neox3d]

Call me sexist but except for giving and raising men their contribution to the glorious civilization is none. Too many women rights organizations but none for the poor enslaved men who are paraded on the streets , killed daily and always end up on the bad side of law. We are the ones tortured , humilated , born to work , and lot of other expectal tendencies . May men find better fortunes , amen.

And that is because men have always kept them under. For the majority of the last 2000 years women have been illiterate, kept away from knowledge, what do you think they could do?

 

[mafiadog]

And that is because men have always kept them under. For the majority of the last 2000 years women have been illiterate, kept away from knowledge, what do you think they could do?

At least they have been kept protected. They don't live on the edge like we do . we are the ones exposed to the brutal harsh realities of this world. They frikkin either take care of the house or sleep their way on top when enter profession. The truth is that men has been far too kind to them , they get all the perks.

 

[neox3d]

A very self congratulatory opinion.

 

[LeGenD123]

Truth hurts people, I know.

And that is because men have always kept them under. For the majority of the last 2000 years women have been illiterate, kept away from knowledge, what do you think they could do?

This is another Feminist propaganda.

Both men and women have received education in history. Their had been famous female teachers even in the original Roman Empire.

Fact is that powerful oppressed the weak irrespective of the gender throughout the course of history, not necessarily men in general.

I will provide more information later.

 

[Pseudonym]

Humans suck, no s***.

The simple fact that you made this thread 5 in the f****** morning goes to show how threatened you feel.

 

[Benighted]

This is another Feminist propaganda.

So anything contrary to your opinions automatically becomes propaganda. Truth does indeed hurt.

Education of women has been viewed differently through different times and places and while their right to it has been acknowledged and granted in some of these, it has been denied in others.

Juana Ines de la Cruz comes immediately to mind who contemplated to disguise herself as a boy to enter the university of Mexico but proceeded to tutor herself in her granddad's library. Her intellectual interests were denounced by her critics as "inappropriate" to her gender.

Feminist propaganda!

 

[Dslayer]

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
when men had power some of them used it babarely and madly and now women are doing so , one has to bestrong no matter man or a woman and should see the ground realities with open eyes without sentiments.

 

[LeGenD123]

Humans suck, no s***.

The simple fact that you made this thread 5 in the f****** morning goes to show how threatened you feel.

So people are not allowed to make threads at this time? Muslims wake up for Fajr prayers around this time.

But how would you have the intellect to figure this out? Only practicing Muslims understand their responsibilities.

Also, confident men are not threatened by women or any other person in general. Your reactions demonstrate that you are feeling threatened, not me.

Here is a ground reality: you can never eliminate powerful and confident men and neither you can suppress masculinity; these traits have biological roots. So learn to cope with them.

So anything contrary to your opinions automatically becomes propaganda. Truth does indeed hurt.

Education of women has been viewed differently through different times and places and while their right to it has been acknowledged and granted in some of these, it has been denied in others.

Juana Ines de la Cruz comes immediately to mind who contemplated to disguise herself as a boy to enter the university of Mexico but proceeded to tutor herself in her granddad's library. Her intellectual interests were denounced by her critics as "inappropriate" to her gender.

Feminist propaganda!

No.

I have clearly stated that Patriarchy had its shortcomings and/or loopholes as well since the patriarchal pendulum swung too far in favor of men in some societies and this was not a fair development. If you had read my response properly, you would have noticed this. Unfortunately, many Feminists are more sentiment then rational; some posts in this thread affirm this. However, you are among the better ones since you at least offer a constructive argument and examples, appreciated.

My point is that women have received education throughout history in different societies including in Western patriarchal societies, perhaps in lesser numbers, but they have. Women have also filled positions that remained unfulfilled by men in different organizations in history. Yes, it is good that women now have more opportunities for productivity then they had earlier in some patriarchal societies, earning women can be assets for families just like men.

My point is that blaming an entire gender (men) for consistent oppression of women is misleading and extreme and Feminists should seek history lessons. Powerful (men and women) have actually oppressed weak and underprivileged (men and women) at different points in history.

Also, Feminists tend to mistakenly assume that men had it all rosy throughout history which is utterly wrong. Just like their had been underprivileged women, same is true for men. In-fact, men had it bad in other ways since many perished in wars and feuds.

 

[Pseudonym]

 

[LeGenD123]

Consider this is as the first and only warning for TROLLING. Repeat this mistake again and you will face the music.

 

[Pseudonym]

I wasn't trolling. I was trying to express that you're delusional.

 

[Benighted]

No.

I have clearly stated that Patriarchy had its shortcomings and/or loopholes as well since the patriarchal pendulum swung too far in favor of men in some societies and this was not a fair development. If you had read my response properly, you would have noticed this. Unfortunately, many Feminists are more sentiment then rational; some posts in this thread affirm this. However, you are among the better ones since you at least offer a constructive argument and examples, appreciated.

My point is that women have received education throughout history in different societies including in Western patriarchal societies, perhaps in lesser numbers, but they have. Women have also filled positions that remained unfulfilled by men in different organizations in history. Yes, it is good that women now have more opportunities for productivity then they had earlier in some patriarchal societies, earning women can be assets for families just like men.

My point is that blaming an entire gender (men) for consistent oppression of women is misleading and extreme and Feminists should seek history lessons. Powerful (men and women) have actually oppressed weak and underprivileged (men and women) at different points in history.

Also, Feminists tend to mistakenly assume that men had it all rosy throughout history which is utterly wrong. Just like their had been underprivileged women, same is true for men. In-fact, men had it bad in other ways since many perished in wars and feuds.

That powerful people oppress the underprivileged (men and women alike) is a given and hardly needing mention. Nobody is questioning that. That men have had it worse in some ways owing to wars and conflict is also not in contention. That is not the point. I'm only asserting the reality of misogynistic views that have restricted the rights and liberty of women to a considerable extent since the dawn of civilization. I don't understand why this even needs an argument because it's simply a historical fact and no amount of argumentation can persuade a person to start accepting facts.

I have given several specific examples to prove my point and these examples, although specific, serve to illustrate the prevailing general views and perceptions that these particular women found themselves the victim of. This however, should not take anything away from the problems and troubles faced by men, which is NOT the subject of the debate. And if men are being blamed, it is because of their predominance and patriarchy that they are naturally responsible for the authorship of such derogatory views on female kind. There is a thread of misogyny since the earliest of times and still running, though with a diminishing force. If you choose to remain oblivious to that, by all means! But mind that your views then become opinion and not fact.

 

[faraany3k]

Feminists- just a bunch of rejected chicks

Male feminists - gays

Seriosly a male is most influenced by his mother. Men and women can never be the same. Because they are no meant to.