Earning with Cracked Software = Haram ?

[opethian]

What sort of logic is this? If you live in a room in my house then I can no longer utilize that room for myself and now have a smaller house to live in.



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as i said ... dnt teach me ur philosophy ...
one might not change his way of life but he should have that much moral courage to say WRONG a wrong thing ...
PERIOD

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

Piracy is not physically stealing. It is intellectual stealing. Both are equally bad, though people here just aren't used to intellectual stealing.

But another thing to consider is that, there is no proper support for software or hardware in South Asian countries. Make official retail stores @ Microsoft, Adobe, Apple and then we'll talk . Though either way the majority will still pirate shit

 

[Gizmo]

Dude, You want my two cents? If you feel guilty then just pay for the damn software.Because yeah it is sort of illegal and wrong.

But TBH I don't understand why you have to be bound by petty morality and guilt when you can be a renegade software developer and keep on pirating for profit :tv:

Those software companies are gonna rake in billions of dollars every year regardless of wether or not you pay them your $100 or whatever.Take advantage of being in a country where Piracy laws aren't enforced and enjoy.

 

[Lord Ammar]

Piracy is not physically stealing. It is intellectual stealing. Both are equally bad, though people here just aren't used to intellectual stealing.

But another thing to consider is that, there is no proper support for software or hardware in South Asian countries. Make official retail stores @ Microsoft, Adobe, Apple and then we'll talk . Though either way the majority will still pirate shit

No body buys physical copies of these softwares anymore. You can easily use a credit card to buy these online. You cant seriously expect Adobe to open up a physical retail store to sell software in Pakistan of all countries.

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

I know that. But still, if retail outlets are available outside of Pakistan, heck some are available in India, why not Pakistan? That will increase awareness here as well.

 

[opethian]

I know that. But still, if retail outlets are available outside of Pakistan, heck some are available in India, why not Pakistan? That will increase awareness here as well.

What u expect from these kids who never saw napster era ... For such kids stealing is physical stealing ... Even if there will be such laws those will be surprise for them ...
Unless we call a crime a crime nothing will change ... But atleast one should have morality to call it wrong doing
Its really sad to see few kids so violently opposing this debate ... They even lack such basic common sense ...




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[opethian]

N lol to someonez post here ... Copy of a thing is not stealing ... Plz give me a copy of ur dadZ credit card
N someone will mind me using his one room n not paying for it ...
So for such people bijli ka kunda b legal hoga ...
Jis nation main 18 crore main say sirf 1-10m taxes dain ... Tou u can well imagine keh Baqi awam ki soch Kia hoge ...



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[Shary Bhallu TC]

Yup its like someone studies very hard for all his life, and makes a software (or invents a chemical to cure mass disease), but the janitor sees him working and copies the method (copy/paste on the software files) and makes all the cash for himself. The work done by the guy who studied all his life just went down the drain for him. But he can still recreate the software (or chemical), even though it is useless for him now because it won't yield him anything as all the fame, glory and money has been claimed by the janitor.

 

[opethian]

Yup its like someone studies very hard for all his life, and makes a software (or invents a chemical to cure mass disease), but the janitor sees him working and copies the method (copy/paste on the software files) and makes all the cash for himself. The work done by the guy who studied all his life just went down the drain for him. But he can still recreate the software (or chemical), even though it is useless for him now because it won't yield him anything as all the fame, glory and money has been claimed by the janitor.

Can't give a better example
But janitor ko Kia pata ... He just read one word ... Stealing ... He doesn't understand piracy, copy, duplicate, illegal reproduction
No wonder that's y Swiss banks t filled with cash ... N we ye people r still slaves cause they r not stealing OUR money ... since we never had it I out hands or in banks

Hey admins ... Plz allow all pirated stuff their links, use, referrals, digital copies on PG since its not stealing it's piracy

Wait can I run a digital copy of PG ...like there was Pakistan gamers forum once or similar other ventures in past



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[AlienX]

No body buys physical copies of these softwares anymore. You can easily use a credit card to buy these online. You cant seriously expect Adobe to open up a physical retail store to sell software in Pakistan of all countries.

A very good point. That old thinking that you can't buy because there is no shop from where you can buy software, is now not valid, You can easily buy keys online from them and everyone in other countries also do that.

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Yup its like someone studies very hard for all his life, and makes a software (or invents a chemical to cure mass disease), but the janitor sees him working and copies the method (copy/paste on the software files) and makes all the cash for himself. The work done by the guy who studied all his life just went down the drain for him. But he can still recreate the software (or chemical), even though it is useless for him now because it won't yield him anything as all the fame, glory and money has been claimed by the janitor.

This is plagiarism, not piracy. Piracy is when you don't pay for the piece of software for which developer spent millions and hundreds of people worked on it for countless hours.

 

[opethian]

A very good point. That old thinking that you can't buy because there is no shop from where you can buy software, is now not valid, You can easily buy keys online from them and everyone in other countries also do that.

Exactly
But kafi bachon ka business haram ho jaye ga Jo games DVDs sell kartay hain plz ye zulam na kar inkay sath


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[opethian]

This is exact definition of Piracy.

n now someone will say
Main credit nahe lay raha sirf copy bana raha hoon



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[AlienX]

n now someone will say
Main credit nahe lay raha sirf copy bana raha hoon



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This thread may be a laugh stock for you because you have never worked in software development field, never bought windows, never bought Office, Never paid for a good Game to play online, Never paid for all the Metal Music you listen, Never paid for any movie expect Cinipex, Don't buy DVDs (Even pirated ones) but download through torrents. Now you are justifying this through example that poor people can't afford legal software.

BUT, You can afford a High Quality DSLR + Expensive Lenses right ?, Yet you fail to see any value in buying Photoshop Elements for editing photos you took from an equipment worth more than 1.5 lac and you choose to crack windows and photoshop because you can't afford it ?.

We all buy high end desktops right ?, we upgrade them. Put GPUs worth 50K+ in them, install powersupplies worth more than 10K, and upgrade like there is nothing stopping you. Yet no one sees value in using a legal copy of say for example the most basic thing "OS", for which Microsoft gives support for like 10 years.

Then you install a cracked game, You praise its graphics, how high quality is the game and take screen shots and post on forums showing how good your PC is running it. But fail to see the hardwork done by developers and deny to pay even smallest amount ( Steam Deals ). If it wasn't for developers putting millions in the game, it wouldn't be able to show off your hardware for which you paid countless money.

And no offense to anyone but this sort of thinking comes when you can't differentiate between Physical and Intellectual Property.

Your own example again, you bought your photography equipment for such a high cost, traveled whole world to take photos and some of them are awesome, But someone makes a copy of it and claim it to be his and modifies it and makes money through some magazine. You are right, Piracy is making copy and you are not stealing.

 

[opethian]

Excuse me ur against me or haunts piracy???
Cause if u can read English plz read my posts


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[Major Aly]

I develop android apps that solve a certain issue and distribute them for free.

All hail me.

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

Yup people pay big dollar to buy top hardware. But that is only half the story. They fail to pay for the other half; the half that helps enable that hardware to work: Software.

I am still one of those people. But I am trying to cut down on it lol. 47K RS ka PC, just 4K RS k legit games Over 150 games played in 2 years.

 

[AlienX]

Excuse me ur against me or haunts piracy???
Cause if u can read English plz read my posts


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Not you, but gave you an example if same thing applies to you. I started discussion saying precisely that, for personal purpose where you aren't publishing or making money than it's not harm in using it. But when you make money and use the content to publish and actually make your name from it, than Piracy does makes you think about ethical nature of it.

But everyone is taking thread to whether piracy is haram or not, that is not the question, that's when you actually start earning from pirated software that you have to think about it.

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Yup people pay big dollar to buy top hardware. But that is only half the story. They fail to pay for the other half; the half that helps enable that hardware to work: Software.

I am still one of those people. But I am trying to cut down on it lol. 47K RS ka PC, just 4K RS k legit games Over 150 games played in 2 years.

Yup, But I think there is no harm in that because they are providing servers to play online and have to pay for them. So in return you pay once (Starcarft 2, Battlefield 3, SimCity, TombRaider, Hitman Absolution, Call of Duty etc) and play for life... Free. The process is slow no doubt but at least you started it and that's the best thing about it.

 

[opethian]

Not you, but gave you an example if same thing applies to you. I started discussion saying precisely that, for personal purpose where you aren't publishing or making money than it's not harm in using it. But when you make money and use the content to publish and actually make your name from it, than Piracy does makes you think about ethical nature of it.

But everyone is taking thread to whether piracy is haram or not, that is not the question, that's when you actually start earning from pirated software that you have to think about it.

Yar ist people dnt even accept keh piracy or using pirated software is bad ... Jub ye baat nahe unko hazam ho rahe tou how u can expect they will call their earnings from that haram or to be a little polite ... Illegal



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[desprado]

90% of pakistan and India business are running in Cracked software but my father company is still running on XP because we buyed legit.

 

[AlienX]

Yar ist people dnt even accept keh piracy or using pirated software is bad ... Jub ye baat nahe unko hazam ho rahe tou how u can expect they will call their earnings from that haram or to be a little polite ... Illegal



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Because it's injected into our blood. Say for example crack fix wasn't for cracking games in first place, you are old enough to know that how costly DVDs or CDs were to maintain in old days so people used to buy games and cracked them to play without DVDs and protect them but bought them indeed, you see its on personal ethical values again. Similarly take OS for an example, you put a key and it gets activated so actually there is no need to put DVDin ROM to run it. But cracking that is bad because you are denying the developers there hardwork and dedication which brought you this OS.

If we are so intelligent and so much full of resources yet we are beggar nation. this is the reason, the fault is in thinking and taking wrong approach to do even simplest of things.