MULTI The Matrix Awakens [OT] A UE5 Experience of "HOLY SH*T, we've been Virtua Cop'ed"

Necrokiller · Apr 23, 2022

CerebralTiger said:
Nice try, but consoles have no stutter (only judder due to typical frame rate drops, which is not a stutter/stall) in the open world section released on PC

CerebralTiger said:
These aren't stutters/stalls. The frame time doesn't spike to a level that results in a momentary pause

Liar liar, Tiger's fur on fire

As if the "judder" and 20fps wasn't terrible enough on consoles, CerebralTiger telling himself tales of no "stuttering" (and 100ms+ spikes) on consoles continues to be laughable. All while "driving, and such". Cerny, dooooo something.

And with CerebralTiger's lies thoroughly exposed, I think the Matrix Demo has served its purpose.

CerebralTiger · Apr 23, 2022

Necrokiller said:
All while "driving, and such".

Hahah nope, that's the free-cam mode. Who's the liar now

When actually driving and such, frame times on consoles never spike above the usual range seen in a 30fps game with frame rate dips i.e. 33 - 66 ms, which VRR will take care of on a 120Hz display

Typical Necrokiller trying to misrepresent console performance, and even then can't find a single instance of better (or even equal) performance on the RTX 2070 Sooooper

Also, here's a screenshot from Necrokiller's favorite free-cam mode:

And here's the video in question, where the dude can't stop praising the consoles' IO throughput and decompression capabilities:

Do something, Lord Gaben

Necrokiller · Apr 12, 2023

CD Projekt Red and Nvidia have teamed up to deliver perhaps one of the greatest achievements in real time graphics rendering to date.

CerebralTiger said:
Allow me to be the first to say HOLY SHIT

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CerebralTiger · Apr 12, 2023

Necrokiller said:
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I mean, it's nice that Cybperunk 2077 is using path-tracing to deliver accurate and physically correct propagation of light and shadow, something previously only conceivable in an offline render, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Lumen was created with realistic performance goals in mind, especially w.r.t. current-gen consoles. Moreover, Lumen alone isn't what makes the Matrix Awakens demo look a generation ahead of something like Cyberpunk 2077. It's the combination of Lumen and Nanite's ability to deliver next-gen geometry that does the trick

Not to mention, the crowd/traffic simulation and vehicle deformation in the Matrix Awakens (a demo made in days) is leagues ahead of that of Cyberpunk 2077 (a game that was almost a decade in the making)

NaNoW · Apr 12, 2023

I know this

demo doesnt scream high fidelity quality on youtube, but IRL this demo *which I believe epic will make publicly available at some point is mind-blowingly crazy in terms of dynamic

Necrokiller · Apr 12, 2023

CerebralTiger said:
I mean, it's nice that Cybperunk 2077 is using path-tracing to deliver accurate and physically correct propagation of light and shadow, something previously only conceivable in an offline render, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Lumen was created with realistic performance goals in mind, especially w.r.t. current-gen consoles. Moreover, Lumen alone isn't what makes the Matrix Awakens demo look a generation ahead of something like Cyberpunk 2077. It's the combination of Lumen and Nanite's ability to deliver next-gen geometry that does the trick

Not to mention, the crowd/traffic simulation and vehicle deformation in the Matrix Awakens (a demo made in days) is leagues ahead of that of Cyberpunk 2077 (a game that was almost a decade in the making)

I mean, there's your misguided and biased opinion. And then there's everyone at Digital Foundry who have nothing but great things to say about it.

Don't worry. CDPR will eventually bring UE5 to a level they want

CerebralTiger · Apr 12, 2023

There's a big difference between having great things to say about something and finding it to be as good as UE5. I suppose CDPR is also misguided and biased for ditching its legacy engine and moving to a modern one

Necrokiller said:
Don't worry. CDPR will eventually bring UE5 to a level they want

Pehley game systems tou GTA III ke level par le ayein

Necrokiller · Apr 12, 2023

Calling it the greatest achievement in real time graphics rendering post Awakens demo says it all

CerebralTiger said:
Pehley game systems tou GTA III ke level par le ayein

Bohat aage hain, systems bhi or core mechanics bhi. Backed by metacritic

Necrokiller · Apr 13, 2023

CerebralTiger said:
I mean, it's nice that Cybperunk 2077 is using path-tracing to deliver accurate and physically correct propagation of light and shadow, something previously only conceivable in an offline render, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

@30:28

Let's put it this way, a current generation console is NEVER going to deliver anything like Cyberpunk 2077's RT Overdrive.

LMAOOOO @ reducing the most technologically advanced leap in real time rendering to date as: "its nice buttttt"

CerebralTiger · Apr 13, 2023

Necrokiller said:
LMAOOOO @ reducing the most technologically advanced leap in real time rendering to date as: "its nice buttttt"

The only thing nice about it is the physically correct nature of it. Outside of that, it still looks like Cyberpunk 2077. As far as actually looking nice is concerned, there are things I consider far more important, such as the leap Nanite brings in terms of geometric detail

Leadbetter's statements are as ancient as he is

A current-gen console doesn't need to deliver anything like Cyberpunk 2077's RT Overdrive mode. As long as it loads assets faster than on PC, it's doing its job

Necrokiller said:
Bohat aage hain, systems bhi or core mechanics bhi. Backed by metacritic

So anything rated higher by Metacritic has better systems and core mechanics?

Necrokiller said:
Don't worry. CDPR will eventually bring UE5 to a level they want

Will their open world UE5 games not stutter on PC?

Necrokiller · Apr 13, 2023

CerebralTiger said:
The only thing nice about it is the physically correct nature of it.

I mean, exact same sentence can be said for Nanite as well. And yet, RT Overdrive is the one that is considered the biggest technological leap in real time rendering

CerebralTiger said:
So anything rated higher by Metacritic has better systems and core mechanics?

If that were the case why did CerebralTiger choose GTA in particular as a point of comparison, an IP he is sick of but now is pretending to be a fan of?

CerebralTiger said:
Will their open world UE5 games not stutter on PC?

Games can stutter on all platforms and PC will still have the best version. Case in point: RE4 Remake

CerebralTiger · Apr 14, 2023

Necrokiller said:
I mean, exact same sentence can be said for Nanite as well.

Nanite is paired with Lumen. Cyperpunk 2077 doesn't have a Nanite equivalent. The geometry is last-gen af

Necrokiller said:
Games can stutter on all platforms and PC will still have the best version. Case in point: RE4 Remake

Games can stutter on all platforms, but only one platform comes out as the one with, by far, the most intense stutters. If you'd prefer to call that the "best version", be my guest

Danish_karachi · Apr 14, 2023

Got to agree with you. Traversal stutters on PC are the worst. Why invest +$1000 on a gaming rig that can't even handle stutters.
I believe It has to do with the compiling shaders technique on Unreal engine games that are pathetic for PC games.

Necrokiller · Apr 14, 2023

CerebralTiger said:
Nanite is paired with Lumen. Cyperpunk 2077 doesn't have a Nanite equivalent. The geometry is last-gen af

Path tracing has rendered Loooomen last gen AF. Esp software Looooomen

CerebralTiger said:
Games can stutter on all platforms, but only one platform comes out as the one with, by far, the most intense stutters. If you'd prefer to call that the "best version", be my guest

When all versions stutter, we have to look at other factors and consoles simply can't compete with the choices on offer

CerebralTiger · Apr 14, 2023

Necrokiller said:
Path tracing has rendered Loooomen last gen AF. Esp software Looooomen

HW Lumen exists as an option on stutter CiTy PC tho. Let's put it this way - the lack of path-tracing in the UE5 demo doesn't hurt it nearly as much as the last gen af geometry hurts Cyberpunk 2077

Necrokiller said:
When all versions stutter, we have to look at other factors and consoles simply can't compete with the choices on offer

When that one version stutters in excess of 100 millisecooonds, other factors ought to be sidelined

Here's a preview of The Witcher 4 running on PC vs PS5

Necrokiller · Apr 14, 2023

CerebralTiger said:
Let's put it this way -

@30:28

Let's put it this way, a current generation console is NEVER going to deliver anything like Cyberpunk 2077's RT Overdrive.

No, let's put it the way Richarrrrrd did

Danish_karachi · Apr 14, 2023

RT Overdrive is overhyped. It just over brightens the images and introduces AI visual artifacts that most PC gamers tend to become blind to.
The rain in OD mode looked pathetic and artificial. It looked like visual gibberish on the screen.

Nvidia is making a fool of PC gamers with its inferior quality images and gamers are falling for the scam hook, line, and stinker.

Let's face the facts with open eyes.

At: 0:47, cupboard and gate looses detail with RT OD.
At: 0:50, the statute of PS5 version looks more detailed.
At, 2:05, the PS5 version of rain looks more realistic than the over processed rain of PT. It's looks pathetic.
At 6:07 and 8:20, the PS5 RT version looks more vivid than the PT OD mode.

Cyberpunk 2077's new 'Overdrive' ray tracing mode actually kind of looks worse to me

The new visual preset goes live next week, but is it really better?

www.pcgamer.com

And to top it all, you have to pay $3000+ for inferior quality visuals as compared to a $500 PS5's RT.

PT results in a blown out visuals with overexposure, according to experts (27:44 below). It is definitely an overhyped technology that will fail, mark my words.

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