Would you let your GF wear anything she wants? Your wife?

How wonderful. This is exactly what chit chat cafe had been missing for quite some time

Lol [MENTION=10825]Wolfy[/MENTION] uncle ka blood pressure dilwao kisi tight skirt wali nurse se, high hogaya hoga apna last post type kartay waqt

One thing I'd like to share is an incident that a friend of mine shared with me (he's an old honest friend, a moulvi type so I can take his word on the incident). He was walking out of his university and universities are co-eds so there are girls there (modern type as well) and well one of the student was walking ahead of him and his friend, this female was wearing tight jeans and a tee and had another female friend of hers walking with her.

Najanay achanak kahan peechay se aik bike ayi jis par do larkay sawaar thay (they didn't look like the uni students) and what happened next left my friend jaw dropped (according to him).

Peechay wala banda jo tha bike par, he fingered the ass of that girl and both went away as fast as they could, the girl, no doubt, stood their shocked and after moments of regaining herself saw my friend and his walking and started yelling at them for not taking any action.

I'm like WTF? My friend didn't say anything to the girl, listened to her screaming and then walked away.

So, could this situation have been averted if the girl would've been decently dressed and/or had abaya/burqa/hijab on her? IMO it would've averted the situation because tight kapray pehan kar khud raasta dikha rahay ho sub kuch karnay ka.

You want women to wera hijab so that they don't get fingered up the arse but don't wanna stop guys from trying to finger girls up the arse. How is that fair? :laugh1:

Maybe men and boys in our society need to learn a lil bit of respect for the opposite gendre and not place all the blame squarely on women. it's like when a woman gets raped people start flinging mud on her by saying that she wore revealing clothes, or that she was promiscous rather than punishing the rapist or criticizing the rapist for......... you know, raping. :tv:

Exactly.

That's awful, but why blame the victim?

[MENTION=10825]Wolfy[/MENTION]

1. I expect you read first and see that I was not addressing you, I was adressing Criticalerror.
2. Criticalerror posted about Shaw as someone praising Islam, I only showed what Shaw really believed.
3. The best way to read koran is to first understand its history and context, then go for translations and commentaries.
4. Ghairat, the feeling you describe, is produced by a chemical in your brain...its not ROTATING in your blood. Literally spilled my drink reading that.
5. There is no nail and no coffin, you are punching in the air...and you are venting out, thats expected ofcourse.
6. the "brianless idiot apes" reference, just doesn't suit you. Quite frankly I think your use of it, is an insult, to the insult.
7. Please go and clean your own tongue first, then be the preacher man.

And by the way not everyone is the same. Plenty of guys who get kick out of properly hijabed ladies too. Agar andar se Abuses will lead to baney ho, angar ankh mei andhera hai to sab he Abuses will lead to bana or kala nazar ata hai. Agar ankh saaf ho tou Abuses will lead to bani nazar se nahi dekho gey.

Men are animals. Heck all human beings are in one form or another. But if you want someone to respect somebody then he/she should be educated since their childhood. Nowadays, many boys grow up seeing their moms/sisters wear jeans and sleeveless both in and out of house hence they think that it is okay and such clothing is okay and hence the mentality is shaped around that it is morally okay. But there are others whose female members in the house dress modestly and decently and are taught that a woman is a jewel etc to protect and hence they know the true meaning of sharam.

But even if a child is taught at the childhood, it doesn't take time to change views and such depending on how the society is progressing.

Taali dono haathon se bajti hai. Saying only that women should dress modestly and decently or saying that men should be the one to control their primitive desires is selfish. Both genders should work together to make the society a decent and a better place.

If a society has all women in Hijab in that society Taarnay walay tarain gay, Finger karnay walay finger karaingay aur rape karnay walay rape karaingay

If a society has all women in Jeans+T-Shirt in that society Taarnay walay tarain gay, Finger karnay walay finger karaingay aur rape karnay walay rape karaingay

If a society has all women in Two Piece Swimsuit in that society Taarnay walay tarain gay, Finger karnay walay finger karaingay aur rape karnay walay rape karaingay

Major Aly said:

Taali dono haathon se bajti hai. Saying only that women should dress modestly and decently or saying that men should be the one to control their primitive desires is selfish. Both genders should work together to make the society and decent and a better place.

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You could've added that in your earlier post and saved us the controversy :laugh1:

Being attracted to females is an ingrained charactersitic in males, more so if the former is scantily dressed. There's an orientation problem if a person doesn't feel that way.

Our society is in doldrums and suffering from a moral crisis because individuals believe in following selective Islam. One example is men forcing their lady folk to wear abaya yet they won't quit ogling at women themselves. Another example is women crying foul being ogled at whilst dressing indecently.

It astonishes me to see people trying to fight fire with fuel. 'Sharam' and 'Haya' goes both ways. It isn't exclusive to one gender or the other.

[MENTION=6068]Ottoman[/MENTION]: to me man was and is the only gender we are discussing from the start no one yet raised "why women love to wear tights and sleeveless cloths" in context of Sharam and Haya.
[MENTION=124622]neox3d[/MENTION] mera beeta baba ji ka ghanta na pakro khara hogaya tu masla hojaye ga app ko.

Ottoman said:

You could've added that in your earlier post and saved us the controversy :laugh1:

Being attracted to females is an ingrained charactersitic in males, more so if the former is scantily dressed. There's an orientation problem if a person doesn't feel that way.

Our society is in doldrums and suffering from a moral crisis because individuals believe in following selective Islam. One example is men forcing their lady folk to wear abaya yet they won't quit ogling at women themselves. Another example is women crying foul being ogled at whilst dressing indecently.

It astonishes me to see people trying to fight fire with fuel. 'Sharam' and 'Haya' goes both ways. It isn't exclusive to one gender or the other.

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Agreed. This practice of "pick and choose" while following Islam is deeply entrenched in our society unfortunately. And this holds true both on an individual level and society as a whole particularly when it comes to issues where gender is in play. Case in point: There is a lot of hue and cry over how women should dress but a deafening silence when it comes to men. e.g Ever heard someone give a "fatwa" against the kabaddi team for being practically nude? Why the hypocrisy? Dressing decently has been asked of both man and woman albeit with different restrictions.

By not following Islam in its entirety we have made a mockery of its teachings to the point where even direct commandments are questioned and debated endlessly by people most of whom have extremely limited knowledge of the same. (including me by the way, I'm no scholar.)

@Wolfy
Na sweetie, don't take it personally. Learn to take disagreements, life mei hota hai aisa...chill.

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@Wolfy
Na sweetie, don't take it personally. Learn to take disagreements, life mei hota hai aisa...chill.

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Son trust me there are no disagreements, only diffrence is fostering and teachings.

Gizmo said:

You want women to wera hijab so that they don't get fingered up the arse but don't wanna stop guys from trying to finger girls up the arse. How is that fair? :laugh1:

Maybe men and boys in our society need to learn a lil bit of respect for the opposite gendre and not place all the blame squarely on women. it's like when a woman gets raped people start flinging mud on her by saying that she wore revealing clothes, or that she was promiscous rather than punishing the rapist or criticizing the rapist for......... you know, raping. :tv:

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My dear brother, all men are completely at the mercy of their sexual urges. Modern science has proved that if it weren't for these strong feelings, men probably wouldn't even get up from bed in the morning. Therefore, brother, you tell me how can a man NOT rape a behaya aurat in the street and how is he to blame for it? Hope you understand.

Happy rapin'.

Wolfy said:

a simple question is how do you react when you see a lady with tight cloths on a street? I call them hololo bachi, some say maaal, some call them katooo some say … check ker khujli wala janwar, some yell chikna chamra (leather) and list goes on and on and on based on the locality. So why most people name them like this? And why do women has this urge to wear cloths like this?

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It's so nice that you mentioned this part here.

A 'musalmaan mard' isn't supposed to look at a woman in the street Once you do that, you lose the right to preach the word of God there and then, at least in my opinion. Charity begins at home, brother.

Wolfy said:

ok tell me most of us works in organizations and almost every organization has 1-2 special cases like these where women try to exploit through their clothings, jestures and talks, do you like these girls/women at work? a respect factor? Be honest couz for me I pitty on their father, brother or husband to let them come in office that way, to me their mental status is just as same as many special people here.

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And tell me.. who do they exploit? Men right? Let's be honest, as you said. Women don't dress provocatively for women.. They do it for men. Why does it work? It should never work on a 'musalmaan mard' because they aren't allowed to talk to 'namehram' women.

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I can't follow the Islamic law in its entirely for several reasons. One being the fact that I won't be allowed to play DotA 2 (what with the sexy costumes that Lina and Enchantress and Queen of Pain wear)

Wolfy said:

Son trust me there are no disagreements, only diffrence is fostering and teachings.

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Yes, you need that.

P.S. I've never fingered a girl (not without consent at least) but I assume that it would be a lot harder if the girl was wearing tight jeans, no?

ASKnASK said:

P.S. I've never fingered a girl (not without consent at least) but I assume that it would be a lot harder if the girl was wearing tight jeans, no?

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Actually that seems quite true.

ASKnASK said:

It's so nice that you mentioned this part here.

A 'musalmaan mard' isn't supposed to look at a woman in the street Once you do that, you lose the right to preach the word of God there and then, at least in my opinion. Charity begins at home, brother.

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my dear Invoker, when did I said I am preaching here? or when did I said I wont stair at a hololo bachi?? muft mein nungi ghoom rahi hai jis ka mood hoga token charha day gay jeans mein.

indeed charity starts from home, so warn your women if they are about to wear something that force people to call them names.( my logic )

ASKnASK said:

And tell me.. who do they exploit? Men right? Let's be honest, as you said. Women don't dress provocatively for women.. They do it for men. Why does it work? It should never work on a 'musalmaan mard' because they aren't allowed to talk to 'namehram' women.

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u missed my point here, mufta koi nahi chorta .. specially with this level of inflation in the country. Allah ka karam hai I avoide such ladies at my best but my pitty was for those husbands / fathers who's wife/daughter are being utilized.

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ASKnASK said:

I can't follow the Islamic law in its entirely for several reasons. One being the fact that I won't be allowed to play DotA 2 (what with the sexy costumes that Lina and Enchantress and Queen of Pain wear)

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dont get me started.. games are serious matter