Would you let your GF wear anything she wants? Your wife?

[FUEL2009]

@neox3d:Kindly mention your source of the news about the 'saudi girl killed by her father for chatting on facebook'.

 

[LeGenD123]

Even if it happened, it is rare occurrence. People pick one extreme news and try to project it on the whole society which is wrong thing to do.

Saudi Arabia is a very good society to be part of even for women. In Saudi Arabia, even a 60 year old woman can marry without getting ridiculed from her siblings, go figure.

 

[abcd]

I am having a hard time with this concept of absolute freedom of an individual from the influence of others. The husband and wife are not living in a vacuum. They will inevitably have to sacrifice at least part of their individual liberties for the relationship to survive.

Wife: Lets go to Pizza Hut.
Husband: Nah, I am in the mood for KFC.
Wife : How dare you try to influence my decision? I know my rights.
Husband: Shut up bi!#$, you are violating my freedom of expression. Talaaq!Talaaq!Talaaq!

This is not how the world works.

 

[FUEL2009]

Even if it happened, it is rare occurrence. People pick one extreme news and try to project it on the whole society which is wrong thing to do.

Saudi Arabia is a very good society to be part of even for women. In Saudi Arabia, even a 60 year old woman can marry without getting ridiculed from her siblings, go figure.

Allah'humma arzukni shahadatan fi sabilika wa'jayal maooti fi balade rasoolika(s.a)

I know brother its the best place in the universe.

 

[neox3d]

Sure [MENTION=51622]FUEL2009[/MENTION]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1583420/Saudi-woman-killed-for-chatting-on-Facebook.html

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[neox3d]

By the way, rape in Saudia mostly go unreported... Check international crime reports for that. so a fair comparison is not possible. And with one night marriage now legal... Who would want to rape when you can have a legal one night stand.

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[neox3d]

I never said west ko follow karo, hum nahi kr saktey. Jitna discipline aur moral values un mei hai na, hum mei nahi. Aur jahan tak baat rahi hamari, tou bhai konsa science-daan produce kya hum ney, jis ney kuch diya ho duniya ko... Hamara hijab or shalwar se dhiyan hatey ga tou kuch karien gey na. Hum aurat k hijab par 35 page zaya kar chukay hain ab tak aur abhi bhi tiyar nahi ye man-ney k liye, k allah talah ney aurat ko mukamal insan banaya hai, apney faisley khud karey, mard ko besakhi mat bnaye. Par bht log aisa nahi chahtey.

Jahan tak baat rahi, non-cooperative wife ki tou bhai alaida ho jayo ya bardasht karo or pyar se mourney ki koshish karo. Usko saza ya force karney ka haq nahi hai tumharey pass. Ye baat bhi pathar pe likh lo kahin app.

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[LeGenD123]

By the way, rape in Saudia mostly go unreported... Check international crime reports for that. so a fair comparison is not possible. And with one night marriage now legal... Who would want to rape when you can have a legal one night stand.

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Many rape incidents go unreported even in Western societies.

Rape Is Grossly Underreported In The U.S., Study Finds

https://www.rainn.org/statistics

Its an underreported crime on the whole.

Also, from where this ONS nonsense came from? Yes, Saudi Arabia is not free from corruption but corruption in this nation is not on the level of lets say in USA. Far less.

 

[neox3d]

So what, corruption is still there, suadi doodh mei dhulay huay nahi hain. Unka west ka kya muqabla, duniya ki har asaish un kafron k mulk mei hai, jahan se saudi bhi sab kuch magwatey hain.

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[Major Aly]

I am having a hard time with this concept of absolute freedom of an individual from the influence of others. The husband and wife are not living in a vacuum. They will inevitably have to sacrifice at least part of their individual liberties for the relationship to survive.

Wife: Lets go to Pizza Hut.
Husband: Nah, I am in the mood for KFC.
Wife : How dare you try to influence my decision? I know my rights.
Husband: Shut up bi!#$, you are violating my freedom of expression. Talaaq!Talaaq!Talaaq!

This is not how the world works.

What if the husband wanted to eat Burger King?

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[Major Aly]

Even if it happened, it is rare occurrence. People pick one extreme news and try to project it on the whole society which is wrong thing to do.

Saudi Arabia is a very good society to be part of even for women. In Saudi Arabia, even a 60 year old woman can marry without getting ridiculed from her siblings, go figure.

Saudi Arabia? A good society? How can a country who doesn't even give basic human rights to expatriates can be a good society to live in?

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[Crow]

saudi arabia is a terrible place to live, not because it's an islamic state, but because for instance, they have an orwellian control over their media and actively try to suppress any conflicting perspectives. you wouldn't know about the arab spring protests in saudi, or the number of protesters that were killed, because of their ardent policing of any anti-saudi sentiment in the foreign media. you wouldn't know the cases of murders, oppression, rape and rampant homosexuality (google it) that go completely unreported. not to mention the ubiquitous xenophobia and racism, which has existed in arab culture for at least a thousand years. saudi is as culturally corrupt as any nation in the world, maybe even more. no need to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. the holy city of mecca and medina have utmost importance but they have nothing to do with saudi as a country.

 

[neox3d]

O bhai [MENTION=882]LeGenD123[/MENTION] shukar karo suadia mri nahi ho, waha hotay tou ye freedom of expression na hoti, wohi boltay aur likhtay jo govt policy hai. Suadia mei bhi kafi crime hai kyunkey wahan par farishtey nahi shiekh rahtey hain.

Hum wapis a jayin topic pe tou baat ye hai bhai k aap aurat ko kitna azad dekh saktey ho, ye bta dou.

Jo aurat chotay kaprey pehney uska kya kiya jaye?

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[LeGenD123]

I never said west ko follow karo, hum nahi kr saktey. Jitna discipline aur moral values un mei hai na, hum mei nahi. Aur jahan tak baat rahi hamari, tou bhai konsa science-daan produce kya hum ney, jis ney kuch diya ho duniya ko... Hamara hijab or shalwar se dhiyan hatey ga tou kuch karien gey na. Hum aurat k hijab par 35 page zaya kar chukay hain ab tak aur abhi bhi tiyar nahi ye man-ney k liye, k allah talah ney aurat ko mukamal insan banaya hai, apney faisley khud karey, mard ko besakhi mat bnaye. Par bht log aisa nahi chahtey.

Humari society WEST ko hi role model banai bheti hai. Yahaan Western culture kaafi haad tak aa chukka hai.

Western societies mein discipline to hai leikin moral values koi nahin hain.

Hijab pehna lazmi nahin hai, koi bhi modest dress kaafi hai eik Muslim aurat ke liya. Aur Shalwar Kameez bahaut acha aur comfortable labaas hai. Mein Shalwar Kameez prefer karta hoon kisi bhi Western dress code per comfort factor ki wajha sei.

Hamare mulk mein kharabian ghalat customs aur Islamic deen se doori ka nateeja hain.

Aur aurtein apne faisle karti rahtien hain, bahaut si aurtoin kai saath zabardasti nahin hothi in matters mein. Bahaut sei familes mein aurtoin ko zaroorat se ziadya azadi bhi mili hai.

Abusive mard sari dunya mein paai jatai hain aur abusive aurtein bhi. Yeh sirf Pakistan exclusive issue nahin hain.

Iss ka yeh matlab nahin hain kai mard doormats bun jain. Eik hadh sei zaida liberalism achi nahin hoti.

Mard ka mard hona zaroori hai aur issi tara aurat ka aurat hona zaroori hai. Mard ko Allah Almighty nei biologically zaida taaktwar aur psychologically ziada saakth banaya hai aur iss ki kuch wajoohaat hain. Iss ka yeh matlab nahin ke mard aurtoin kai saath bura salookh harain leikin mardoin ka responsbility hai kei apni families ko protect kerien aur apni familes ko societal evils sei bhi mahfooz rakhain. Islam mein Mardoin ki responsibility hai Islamic values ko promote karni ki aur deen ki khiwazat ki bhi.

Jahan tak baat rahi, non-cooperative wife ki tou bhai alaida ho jayo ya bardasht karo or pyar se mourney ki koshish karo. Usko saza ya force karney ka haq nahi hai tumharey pass. Ye baat bhi pathar pe likh lo kahin app.

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Divorce de dena koi mazaakh nahin hai, munasib rishta doodhna aik tedious kaam hai.

Jiss se shaadi hui hai, usko samajahane ki kossissh ki jaa sakti hai, kabhi kabar kuch sakti bhi karne parr jati hai. Akalmand ko samaj aa jati hai leikin agar koi bhi munsib tareeke se faida nahin pahaunchta to phir divorce consider kia jaa sakta hai.

saudi arabia is a terrible place to live, not because it's an islamic state, but because for instance, they have an orwellian control over their media and actively try to suppress any conflicting perspectives. you wouldn't know about the arab spring protests in saudi, or the number of protesters that were killed, because of their ardent policing of any anti-saudi sentiment in the foreign media. you wouldn't know the cases of murders, oppression, rape and rampant homosexuality (google it) that go completely unreported. not to mention the ubiquitous xenophobia and racism, which has existed in arab culture for at least a thousand years. saudi is as culturally corrupt as any nation in the world, maybe even more. no need to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. the holy city of mecca and medina have utmost importance but they have nothing to do with saudi as a country.

O bhai @LeGenD123 shukar karo suadia mri nahi ho, waha hotay tou ye freedom of expression na hoti, wohi boltay aur likhtay jo govt policy hai. Suadia mei bhi kafi crime hai kyunkey wahan par farishtey nahi shiekh rahtey hain.

Hum wapis a jayin topic pe tou baat ye hai bhai k aap aurat ko kitna azad dekh saktey ho, ye bta dou.

Jo aurat chotay kaprey pehney uska kya kiya jaye?

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Koi bhi society perfect nahin hai leikin Saudi Arabia mein burahi per kaafi haadth taak control hai. Iss ka yeh matlab nahin hai kai poori society doodh sei dhooli hai leikin USA jaisa social decay nahin hain wahan par.

Hammein waise hi aadat hai tumman Islamic countries ki burahi karnei ki.

 

[neox3d]

Bhai mei kab keh raha hin k mard doormat ban jaye, yahan kisi ney ye nahi kaha

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[LeGenD123]

Bhai mei kab keh raha hin k mard doormat ban jaye, yahan kisi ney ye nahi kaha

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Iss thread mein kaafi examples hain doormat mindset ki. Yeh eik "emasculated mindset" ki alamat hai jo log aksar khoodh der sei realize karthe hain.

Apne sense of self-worth ki bhi baath hai aur Islamic values ki bhi.

Aurat ko respect dein, pyaar karian leikin mard hona math buhlain. Yeh meri suggestion hai tumam bhaiyoon ko.

Agar kisi Muslim aadmi ki biwi modesty nahin apnati apne husband kai issraar kerni per bhi tu phir husband ko action leine ki zaroorat hai. Action leini ke liye physical hona zarroori nahin hai, mukhtalif tareeke hain kissi ko sudharne ke. Burahi ki accountability honi chayai aur marriage ki boundaries define honi chaiyain. Aab aurat bhi boundaries suggest kaar sakti hai aur uss kai husband ko un ki kadar karne chaiyai.

 

[neox3d]

Koi ek example btayo quote kr k, emasculated mindset ki?

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[neox3d]

Mard ko mard he rehna chahiye par aurat ka malik nahi. Koi shaksh kisi dusrey ka ghulam nahi hai. Jahan tak doormat ka taulaq hai tou aurat ko bhi doormat mat bnayo. Bht kam aurtian hain is mulak mei jo independent hain, apni marzi krti hain, 90% ki kahani farak hai.

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[neox3d]

Bht burayi hai suadia mei bhi, bs honto pe ram ram, baghal mei knife hai.


Mei ye burayi fashion ye trend k taur par nahi kr raha. Aadatan nahi hai sab jo likha hai. Jo sach hai wo maan laina chahiye, aur sach ye hai k hamarey ander bht masayal hain, insan ban kr unka hal karin. Hamay West ka muqabla nahi krna, wo bht agey hain. Unkey system aur values different hain. West mei bhi bht burayi hai, koi shak nahi, par ya kehna k hum behtar hain sirf ek self-congratulatory view hai, aur kuch nahi.

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[LeGenD123]

Koi ek example btayo quote kr k, emasculated mindset ki?

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Meri posting history check kaar lo iss thread mein, kuch examples mil jaieen gi unn posts mein jin ko mein nei respond kya hai.

Thread starter ko hi deikh loi, apni biwi ki "inadequate modesty" kei maamle mein per powerless bana bhatha hai. Agar Muslim mard hai to yeh uss ka major failure hai.

Mard ko mard he rehna chahiye par aurat ka malik nahi. Koi shaksh kisi dusrey ka ghulam nahi hai. Jahan tak doormat ka taulaq hai tou aurat ko bhi doormat mat bnayo. Bht kam aurtian hain is mulak mei jo independent hain, apni marzi krti hain, 90% ki kahani farak hai.

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Phir wohi stereotypical batain?

Hamari society mein aurtein bahaut hadh tak azaad hain. Kuch regions hain jahan per auratoin ko azadi nahin hai leikin sare mulk mein assa nahin hai.

Aur mard aurtoin kei malik nahin baan jate kuch boundaries define kerke apni marriages kai leye. Aurtein bhi apni munwati hain. Common sense ki baath hai.