[SOLVED] PC Build 2017 under 200000

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Asus maximus viii extreme mobo
Core i7 7700k
Corsair tx 850 psu
Asus strix 1080
Cm stormtrooper casing
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When u say desktop u mean only cpu? Or it includeds monitor mouse keyboard?

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Well complete setup up does include screens keyboard and everything but usually we only take it as the cpu.
I have two screens
Dell 2420L
Acer xb270hu 2k 144hz
Razer blackwidow keyboard
Steelseries sensei mouse
Sennheiser pc360 headphones.
If you add that to the price it becomes somewhere around 300k then :p


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Well complete setup up does include screens keyboard and everything but usually we only take it as the cpu.
I have two screens
Dell 2420L
Acer xb270hu 2k 144hz
Razer blackwidow keyboard
Steelseries sensei mouse
Sennheiser pc360 headphones.
If you add that to the price it becomes somewhere around 300k then [emoji14]


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XD i want everything in 200k

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rameezfenix

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Don't buy the razer gear right now, buy it later. Just get the best CPU, GPU and monitor you can get right now. Or wait a bit and save up. I always say save up and get something better than to compromise on these things.
You can always add more ram, keyboard/mouse, SSD, HDDs later. Get a PC casing under 12k. Get the SSD later if its not in your budget right now. Or just build the PC without the GPU right now, use an old GPU if you have one for a couple of months. Then get the GPU. Ideally you want to use your PC without any need to upgrade for the next 3 years atleast.
 

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There you go...The very first question I asked was what you're going to be using your pc for. Now we know...Overwatch. Second question, is playing Overwatch the only thing you're going to be doing? Doesn't matter, really. I'd still advocate for a Ryzen system. The fps difference between an i7 and an R7 isn't that big. You also have the added benefit of better fps minimums, which makes gaming on Ryzen smoother.

A budget is a budget. Go for the 1070 and grab a 1080/144 panel. You'll be set for a fair while. The performance jump to the 1080 just isn't worth the price premium. I'd still wait for an announcement (Computex) on Vega but like I said, we're probably still a couple of months out from them landing here in Pakistan. That's a long time to wait if you've got nothing to game on right now.

You're right about games not being optimised for more cores, though that trend is starting to change BF1, Star Citizen and a few others come to mind. This will change a lot quicker now, thanks to Ryzen but not before you're ready to upgrade. Speaking of upgrading, if you go the 7700/7700k route then when you're ready to upgrade, you'll have to fork out for a new CPU, motherboard and (probably) RAM. Ryzen's AM4 platform is here for three generations of Ryzen CPUs, so you won't need to buy a new motherboard and new RAM...food for thought.
 

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There you go...The very first question I asked was what you're going to be using your pc for. Now we know...Overwatch. Second question, is playing Overwatch the only thing you're going to be doing? Doesn't matter, really. I'd still advocate for a Ryzen system. The fps difference between an i7 and an R7 isn't that big. You also have the added benefit of better fps minimums, which makes gaming on Ryzen smoother.

A budget is a budget. Go for the 1070 and grab a 1080/144 panel. You'll be set for a fair while. The performance jump to the 1080 just isn't worth the price premium. I'd still wait for an announcement (Computex) on Vega but like I said, we're probably still a couple of months out from them landing here in Pakistan. That's a long time to wait if you've got nothing to game on right now.

You're right about games not being optimised for more cores, though that trend is starting to change BF1, Star Citizen and a few others come to mind. This will change a lot quicker now, thanks to Ryzen but not before you're ready to upgrade. Speaking of upgrading, if you go the 7700/7700k route then when you're ready to upgrade, you'll have to fork out for a new CPU, motherboard and (probably) RAM. Ryzen's AM4 platform is here for three generations of Ryzen CPUs, so you won't need to buy a new motherboard and new RAM...food for thought.
I totally agree that the tend is about to change but again back to what i have said earlier ryzen is only available on PG other than that its not available and the ppl on PG are asking too much for it and i cant wait for vega its not released yet and its coming to Pakistan will take 4 months minimum after release for the price to become responsible

Currently i play games on my Lenovo y700 6th gen gaming on low to medium is good but on high its less then 30 fps forget about ultra settings and i play games other than overwatch too

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Hmmm I'm not sure I agree with that, this guy AMD RYZEN 7 1700X + X370 Gaming K4 is selling a 1700x and x370 board for Rs 58.5k. That works out to about $US550. If you look on Newegg that combo is going for about $US500, that's not too much to be asking for, if you ask me.

If you got to Czone, you can get a 7700k and their cheapest Z270 board for Rs 55k, on Newegg that combo is $US470.

The 1700x is like $US20 more than the 7700k and for that you get double (double!) the cores, nearly the same gaming performance and the R7 shits on the i7 in everything else. Smart buy if you ask me, though I am biased, obviously v(^-^)...I've really disliked Intel since I found out what they did to AMD back during the Athlon/Pentium days in 2005 and the subsequent lawsuit and findings. Read up on it. It's taken them this long to recover from that and get back in the game but they are here now and with something that we could/should of had years and years ago but for Intel and it's greed. Intel has been charging us over $US1,000 for a part that AMD is now offering for 45-70% cheaper...
 

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my man KK, I don't have a soft corner for neither Intel nor AMD. Tech is a business at the end of the day. When AMD stops competing intel raises their prices to maximize profits, this is capitalism 101.
Now I won't suggest that one buys a component from a manufacturer just because they are underdogs or whatever you may call them. AMD has for the past generations offered better value for money on GPUs so I recommended the R9, Fury and RX series to people. Thing is Ryzen is just a new platform and they're upgrading it bit by bit but it's not fully matured yet. Zen + (2nd generation ryzen processors) if they compete with intel i'll recommend them. A 7700K isn't even the most commonly used processor out there, an i5 is. Games can go multithread and BF4, BF1 have utilized more threads than 4, but just think. Game developers optimize their games for the most widely used CPUs and GPUs (Unless crysis lol). So knowing that the most common CPUs are i5 which lack hyperthreading I think it's safe to say that i7s aren't going to be left in the dust for quite a while. Actually i7's with their lesser number of cores than an R7 processor but superior single thread and higher clock performance edge the R7 out in gaming tasks and get smacked down in productivity tasks.
look at i7 vs R7 comparisons on youtube and decide what platform suits your needs best. Either the I7 or the R7 are a bad choice, both are extremely competent processors and it's up to you to decide what kind of tasks you will be doing on your computer and then decide accordingly.
 

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This is funny, I think we agree on most things, with a few exceptions, obviously...

I almost always have a soft spot for an underdog, be it in the sporting arena or in the market place; the only caveat being that they aren't a douche of a company. I want them to do well. And them doing well, is good for us, the consumers. That said, I'd only recommend throwing money at them if they met your needs e.g if pure gaming was what you were after I'd always recommend the Core series over Bulldozer.

Not arguing the point about capitalism, I know how that works but AMD's not being able to compete was a direct result of Intel's (illegal) tactics. The profits they made by extorting us with their predatory pricing and blatant slow/low performance increases doesn't sit well with me. i understand why they did it and I think a lot of companies would do the same. I will, at every opportunity, do my best to not give them any of my money. I own an Intel system. If I were wealthy enough, I would only buy products from ethical and principled companies. Not so easy to do, if you don't have the finances to back you up...

Simpy put, Intel needs to feel our dissatisfaction with its greed.

I certainly would't be advocating a Ryzen build if it wasn't stable. Yes, there were bugs in the beginning, those, now, for the most part, have been ironed out. Ryzen is stable; and for you to suggest otherwise is disingenuous, just like, if I may say, your convoluted first post. Recommending a 580, then a 1070 to pair with a 1440/144 panel. Telling him to "forget about' the peripherals!! I mean, really? I think you saw his 200k budget and got a bit over-excited, thinking that he's got cash to burn. Did you even ask him what he wanted to use it for or what he currently had? You did't even mention Ryzen but now you're saying what I'm saying, that is Ryzen is a far better option for everything except gaming and even then, it's right there nipping at the heels of an i7...

You know why the i5s are the most commonly used chips? Intel used illegal tactics to push AMD out of the market! If they hadn't, a 4c/8t CPU would be the most common processor and game/app developers would've been developing for those extra cores. We are behind because of Intel. We have been cheated out of our money by Intel. Now that AMD has the better product for the vast majority of use cases, why wouldn't anyone recommend Ryzen?

Actually i7's with their lesser number of cores than an R7 processor but superior single thread and higher clock performance edge the R7 out in gaming tasks and get smacked down in productivity tasks.
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This is what you should have said in your first post, though I am a firm believer in the old adage, 'better late than never'.
 

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This is funny, I think we agree on most things, with a few exceptions, obviously...

I almost always have a soft spot for an underdog, be it in the sporting arena or in the market place; the only caveat being that they aren't a douche of a company. I want them to do well. And them doing well, is good for us, the consumers. That said, I'd only recommend throwing money at them if they met your needs e.g if pure gaming was what you were after I'd always recommend the Core series over Bulldozer.

Not arguing the point about capitalism, I know how that works but AMD's not being able to compete was a direct result of Intel's (illegal) tactics. The profits they made by extorting us with their predatory pricing and blatant slow/low performance increases doesn't sit well with me. i understand why they did it and I think a lot of companies would do the same. I will, at every opportunity, do my best to not give them any of my money. I own an Intel system. If I were wealthy enough, I would only buy products from ethical and principled companies. Not so easy to do, if you don't have the finances to back you up...

Simpy put, Intel needs to feel our dissatisfaction with its greed.

I certainly would't be advocating a Ryzen build if it wasn't stable. Yes, there were bugs in the beginning, those, now, for the most part, have been ironed out. Ryzen is stable; and for you to suggest otherwise is disingenuous, just like, if I may say, your convoluted first post. Recommending a 580, then a 1070 to pair with a 1440/144 panel. Telling him to "forget about' the peripherals!! I mean, really? I think you saw his 200k budget and got a bit over-excited, thinking that he's got cash to burn. Did you even ask him what he wanted to use it for or what he currently had? You did't even mention Ryzen but now you're saying what I'm saying, that is Ryzen is a far better option for everything except gaming and even then, it's right there nipping at the heels of an i7...

You know why the i5s are the most commonly used chips? Intel used illegal tactics to push AMD out of the market! If they hadn't, a 4c/8t CPU would be the most common processor and game/app developers would've been developing for those extra cores. We are behind because of Intel. We have been cheated out of our money by Intel. Now that AMD has the better product for the vast majority of use cases, why wouldn't anyone recommend Ryzen?



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This is what you should have said in your first post, though I am a firm believer in the old adage, 'better late than never'.
Do u have some beef with Nvidia and intel?

Just tell in i7 7700k vs ryzen 1700x which is better in gamming or 1070 vs 580

Bro u have to accept the fact that combination of 1070 and i7 7700k will give me atleast 40% more fps then amd combo + if i was going for cad or video rendering ill go the amd route but i want to game just game and there is no point in buying ryzen

Btw I have y700 laptop as of now

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Asalam-O-Alikum

Im trying to build a Gamming PC under 200000 and when i say PC i mean every thing except desk and chair not just the CPU
Thus this humble person wants ur expertise so he can live his life in peace after a Hard working day.
im going to write all the fields and u guys can help me fill them

Mouse = Razer Deathadder Elite (Rs = 7500)

Mouse Pad = Razer Goliathus L (Rs = 4200)


Keyboard = Black widow T. E (Rs = 9500)

Head Set = Steel series artic 5 ( Rs = 13500)

Monitor = Asus MG278Q (Rs = 58,500)

Cpu case = Nzxt s340 razer edition ( Rs = 13000)

Cpu = intel 7700k (Rs = 40500)

Gpu = Gtx 1070 (Rs = 54500)

Internal Cooling (Cpu and Gpu cooler) = Evo 212 led (Rs = 4800)

Mother Board = Asus Z270k prime (Rs = 17800)

Ram = Cosair Vengeance 3200MHz (Rs = 15800)

Hard drive = 1 TB WB (Rs = 5500)

SSD = Transend 240 gb (Rs = 10000)

Psu = Evga Supernova 850 (Rs = 16200)


Help me out guys the total become 275k
Okay let me help you cut down the cost. I am not going to ask you to cut down on the input devices since I am a big believer in high quality peripherals and your choices seem fine to me.

That monitor is a big no for the budget you have. It is a bloody TN monitor and will basically suck for anything other than games. Even for games that thing will be obsolete when we will have fast VA panels so this isn't as much of a long term investment as it might seem. I don't know about you but I can't spend 60k on a display that basically sucks for movies. It's a short term luxury device for specific needs.

Let me tell you something. The monitor industry is facing a big breakthrough and soon all the current gaming monitors will be obsolete. Why you ask? Because all the gaming monitors have terrible contrast something that is vital for superb image quality. Just get yourself a 1080p 60Hz 27" IPS monitor for now. They are real cheap these days. Don't you fall in a trap of the Hz and resolution race. In almost all the modern AAA games you will NOT be getting a 100FPS with a GTX 1070. You will NOT be maxing out games at 1440p. Do you want to keep buying a new GPU every year or so? If no then stick to 1080p. If one really wants 1440p then it should be 32" in my opinion because bigger size makes a massive difference. You should be able to cut about 30k from the monitor.

You don't need to buy super fast RAM and you don't need to buy that big a PSU. Should be able to save 10k on both items combined.

You actually need to buy a 500GB SSD minimum. Drop the HDD for now if you can or just put more for a bigger SSD. You don't want to be installing games on a HDD in 2017.

Apart from that maybe you can save around 5k on casing although a casing lasts longer than almost all the other components so buying a high quality casing is totally worth it.

We are still at around 230k and now I can't really see what we can do without making a major compromise. The only option is to drop down to an RX 580/480 if you really wanna get down to 200k.
 

kkfroma2j

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I think we're running into trouble here due to a language barrier... Please, stop accusing me of saying things that I did not say...

Yes, I have an ideological/moral/principled problem with Intel. I have clearly stated my opinions as to why. With regards to Nvidia, yes, I have some issues with them but that's another story for another day.

I did not tell you to build a Ryzen system and pair it with an RX 580. Let me repeat, I did not say you should buy an RX 580. Rameez in his first post post told you to buy an RX 580 and pair it with a 1440p 144Hz monitor, which is just wrong, as you know.

I told you to get a GTX 1070 and pair it with a 1080p 144Hz monitor. If you're getting a Freesync monitor, then an AMD GPU would be a better option but as you ONLY care about playing Overwatch, the GTX 1070 will give the highest fps but a 1080p 100Hz Freesync monitor+ AMD GPU (RX 580/R9 Fury) will give a much smoother gaming experience.

I don't know where you get your numbers from but a 7700k+1070 pairing is not even close to being 40% faster (gaming) than a 1700(x)+R9 Fury(x) pairing. You're kidding yourself, really.

If 5fps is so important to you, then by all means, buy the 7700k. Like I said, as long as you are happy...

And, by the way, CAD is better on the 7700k NOT Ryzen. Again, I don't know where you're getting your info from....
 

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Okay let me help you cut down the cost. I am not going to ask you to cut down on the input devices since I am a big believer in high quality peripherals and your choices seem fine to me.

That monitor is a big no for the budget you have. It is a bloody TN monitor and will basically suck for anything other than games. Even for games that thing will be obsolete when we will have fast VA panels so this isn't as much of a long term investment as it might seem. I don't know about you but I can't spend 60k on a display that basically sucks for movies. It's a short term luxury device for specific needs.

Let me tell you something. The monitor industry is facing a big breakthrough and soon all the current gaming monitors will be obsolete. Why you ask? Because all the gaming monitors have terrible contrast something that is vital for superb image quality. Just get yourself a 1080p 60Hz 27" IPS monitor for now. They are real cheap these days. Don't you fall in a trap of the Hz and resolution race. In almost all the modern AAA games you will NOT be getting a 100FPS with a GTX 1070. You will NOT be maxing out games at 1440p. Do you want to keep buying a new GPU every year or so? If no then stick to 1080p. If one really wants 1440p then it should be 32" in my opinion because bigger size makes a massive difference. You should be able to cut about 30k from the monitor.

You don't need to buy super fast RAM and you don't need to buy that big a PSU. Should be able to save 10k on both items combined.

You actually need to buy a 500GB SSD minimum. Drop the HDD for now if you can or just put more for a bigger SSD. You don't want to be installing games on a HDD in 2017.

Apart from that maybe you can save around 5k on casing although a casing lasts longer than almost all the other components so buying a high quality casing is totally worth it.

We are still at around 230k and now I can't really see what we can do without making a major compromise. The only option is to drop down to an RX 580/480 if you really wanna get down to 200k.
At last someone who speaks my language thank you bro that's exactly what i was thinking i have a 1080p samsung 60hz monitor ill use that for a while then ill move to something decent as of the psu there is not much difference in 600 and 850 only about 2.5k going 850 will help me future proof the rig as of ram i can cut on that.

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I think we're running into trouble here due to a language barrier... Please, stop accusing me of saying things that I did not say...

Yes, I have an ideological/moral/principled problem with Intel. I have clearly stated my opinions as to why. With regards to Nvidia, yes, I have some issues with them but that's another story for another day.

I did not tell you to build a Ryzen system and pair it with an RX 580. Let me repeat, I did not say you should buy an RX 580. Rameez in his first post post told you to buy an RX 580 and pair it with a 1440p 144Hz monitor, which is just wrong, as you know.

I told you to get a GTX 1070 and pair it with a 1080p 144Hz monitor. If you're getting a Freesync monitor, then an AMD GPU would be a better option but as you ONLY care about playing Overwatch, the GTX 1070 will give the highest fps but a 1080p 100Hz Freesync monitor+ AMD GPU (RX 580/R9 Fury) will give a much smoother gaming experience.

I don't know where you get your numbers from but a 7700k+1070 pairing is not even close to being 40% faster (gaming) than a 1700(x)+R9 Fury(x) pairing. You're kidding yourself, really.

If 5fps is so important to you, then by all means, buy the 7700k. Like I said, as long as you are happy...

And, by the way, CAD is better on the 7700k NOT Ryzen. Again, I don't know where you're getting your info from....
Kk i know free sync is cheap as hell as compare to g sync but is it all that necessary? Do u use free sync?

Thanks for reminding me that about r9 fury i almost forgot about that 😆

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Freesync/G-Sync are useful (very useful) when you are trying to achieve high fps on high Hz monitors. If your GPU isn't able to produce the same amount of fps as your panels refresh rate, you may experience screen tearing...which is terrible, especially on games like Overwatch, CS:GO etc. You won't have to worry about this with a GTX 1070 + 1080/144 monitor.

But...

It seems like you're going to over your budget. An RX 480/580 paired with a 1080p 100/120Hz Freesync monitor will give you a very smooth gaming experience. This pairing will save you some money...

Edit: Even an R9 Fury will save you a bunch of coin vs a GTX 1070. And the Fury is now very close to the 1070 in most games and a 'bit' faster in some games. This time next year the Fury will be faster than the 1070 in most games. In two years time, it will be getting close to the 1080. This is because Nvidia is a shitty company that stops optimisation for its previous generations of GPUs much faster than AMD. This is a fact.
 
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Now that Computex has started and new hardware news has come in with the new Skylake X announcements and various rumors regarding AMD's Threadripper cpus. I'm going to go out on a limb and try to simplify all of this.
Do you encode videos/movies to play on your phone, ipad or other devices and play video games = Get Ryzen 1700 and up
Do you only play games? = i7 7700k
Do you want intel to pay for their price gouging, shady business practices and play video games and have no need to upgrade your system for the next 3 years = GET RYZEN 1700 AND UP.
 

rameezfenix

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But remember this if you choose Ryzen 1700 get a proper AIO CPU cooler and try to Overclock the processor to 4.0 ghz.We live in a hot climate so remeber that you might not get the same low temps as some people out there.
If you don't want to overclock at all then don't. Another option would be to get the i7 7700 (non k) you save almost 10k this way (No need for AIO cooler as it comes with a stock cooler).
 

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Edit: Even an R9 Fury will save you a bunch of coin vs a GTX 1070. And the Fury is now very close to the 1070 in most games and a 'bit' faster in some games. This time next year the Fury will be faster than the 1070 in most games. In two years time, it will be getting close to the 1080. This is because Nvidia is a shitty company that stops optimisation for its previous generations of GPUs much faster than AMD. This is a fact.
Bare hi koi aala kisam kee chawal mare hai bhai aapne. Bohot AMD fanboys deakha par itni delusion aapko to award milna chahia.



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    This is a console first developer. LMAO
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  • faraany3k faraany3k:
    With how great cod warzone has translated onto mobile. Mainstream Consoles have lost its value even further. Maybe console gaming was associated with TVs and how TV is not the primary source of media consumption anymore, consoles will lose its 200 million core audiences even further.
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    Even VRR can't rescue it 🥲
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    faraany3k faraany3k: I dont think games have looked any better since 2019 onwards and they are performing worse and...