Would you let your GF wear anything she wants? Your wife?

if u are OK with your GF opening legs and showing it off to other men
then i have nothing else to say to you
Satute hai bhai ap per

this is the end

O bhai, larki burqa mei hai k nahi, tumhe theek hona chahiye...

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Zeus MK said:

if u are OK with your GF opening legs and showing it off to other men
then i have nothing else to say to you
Satute hai bhai ap per

this is the end

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Wtf?

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NaNoW said:

If a some guy's wallet is fallen on the floor, Allah has given you a mind to either pick it up and keep the cash..or give it back to him..you dont say 'invitation to treat'

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u misunderstood my statements brother.
'i am the person who is advising about not throwing your wallet on the floor wide open (with or without consent) in the first place'.

if your wallet drops accidentally then no issue. ALLAH is the protector but then why throw your wallet on the road yourself already knowing the risks.

NaNoW said:

but if at anyone else, would you allow him to say that about your loved ones?? abhi tu Islam, Islam chila rahey the...ab offensive jumley martey hoye Islam kahan giya..huqooq ul ibad kahan gaye??

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didn't you hear? the responsibilities of Islam do not apply to those who preach Islam to others.... you may kill, rape, beat, abuse others into submission... and as long as you're doing it all in the name of Islam, then ofcourse you're not liable... Islam has a strict policy of the end justifying all means... as long as a person recites kalma, it doesn't change the fact that he had a gun to his head

none of my statement is directed to anyone please bear in mind. no offense to any one. every body is free to practice his/her own ideology.

Zeus MK said:

u misunderstood my statements brother.
'i am the person who is advising about not throwing your wallet on the floor wide open (with or without consent) in the first place'.

if your wallet drops accidentally then no issue. ALLAH is the protector but then why throw your wallet on the road yourself already knowing the risks.

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so it's all on the person who dropped the wallet? the person who sees the wallet on the floor, he's not held accountable for his actions? what sort oflogic is this? why stop at dropping it on the floor then? i can barge into anyone's house on gunpoint, steal their shit, and i'll tell god "bhai us ne itna samaan rakha kyun tha? meri ghalti thori na hai" and God'll give me a high-five, i'll enter heaven with my 70 virgins, and the poor sod who got robbed will burn in hell for enticing me

NaNoW said:

Wallet jesey bhi gira ho...TUMHARA usko uthana CHORI HAI YA NAHIIII ??

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paise zaya hone se behtar hai mein utha loon :lol::lol:

sawab mile ga kisi ki mehnat ki kamai zaya nai honay di :lol:

Major Aly said:

I didn't talk about anything from the perspective of religion here nor will I start now and nowhere did I say that I deem all burqa-cladded respectable. There are those who even wear tighter burqas which in turn shows curves, figure etc.

Get facts checked please. I'm not a religious scholar nor I'm extremely religious.

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My post has only one fact in it (first line) and err I'm assuming you agree with that one.

I guess you got all riled up because of the deen k thaykaydaar line. Well that one wasn't for you (hence the one line gap) :tv:

I completely disagree with the rather disrespectful and illogical comments that have been made about women supposedly in 'defense of religion'.

But it is wrong to portray the ill informed opinions of some members about religion as shortcomings of the religion itself. Sweeping statements like these sound just as ill informed and intolerant:

'a way of life that tells me that I have to wage war on someone because they believe in something different '

'Islam has a strict policy of the end justifying all means... as long as a person recites kalma, it doesn't change the fact that he had a gun to his '

A lot of people are continuously confusing the faults of our culture with that of religion. Unless someone has been living under a rock he would have no problem in accepting that we live in a chauvinistic, misogynist, male dominated society. But implying that religion is the root cause of this attitude is over simplistic.

ASKnASK said:

My post has only one fact in it (first line) and err I'm assuming you agree with that one.

I guess you got all riled up because of the deen k thaykaydaar line. Well that one wasn't for you (hence the one line gap) :tv:

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To your 'one fact', my reply was also in the first line. I did not reply with religion's perspective nor will I comment on if Jennifer Aniston maybe 100 times better in God's eyes and the burqa-clad women etc etc.
I don't want to bring religion to any of my replies and I intend to keep it that way

NaNoW said:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh

I hope you are saying this to get on my nerve and troll me....HONESTLY


Wallet jesey bhi gira ho...TUMHARA usko uthana CHORI HAI YA NAHIIII ??







@Raza7154 :Though I agree to what you are saying, but please all discussion is to be held with mutual respect in mind....please dont say things like to anyone

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throwing wallet yourself = invitation to the world to steal it (some may try to steal it, some may try to give it back to the owner, but still the invitation exists regardless what ever happens in the end)
wallet incidentally dropped/ stolen on burglary = was not an invitation . it was some thing which was not in your control.

why invite?

thing is that wearing such clothes that attracts = perception of invitation
wearing modest clothes = perception of purity (regardless of the real moral inside the heart, that's another topic)

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wallet incidentally dropped/ stolen on burglary = was not an invitation . it was some thing which was not in your control.

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invitation is in the eye of the beholder no?

you see women in jeans as being inviting... i see people who keep their money at home as being inviting.... tom-ay-to tom-ah-to.... at the end we're both sticking it up to those idiots who invite us on purpose, right?

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invitation is in the eye of the beholder no?

you see women in jeans as being inviting... i see people who keep their money at home as being inviting.... tom-ay-to tom-ah-to.... at the end we're both sticking it up to those idiots who invite us on purpose, right?

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I see Raza's mechromancer as pretty inviting and...well, Raza you know what I did don't you?

neox3d said:

My answers repectively

A. Religious duty of whom? who is qualified to do that? For me the person preaching should be a model himself foremost.
B. What I have stated, is the original angle and is historically accurate. Application for today is another topic but we must not use the verse as is then because we know circumstances have changed.
C. I hope you can see, that saying "Hadith are not laws" is not misinformation. They are not laws, period. Many sharia laws base their authenticity in the hadith. That is the correct statement. And there is the difference, not all Hadith is applied, nor everyone agrees to each hadith, plenty of disagreement on that front and has been since ages in Islam.
D. Yes some Islamic laws are/should be applicable in modern times, some not.

While I have never seen a good source of the quote you mentioned of shaw so not sure if its authentic, here is one which is quite authentic of Shaw and what he held all his life:


And here is another which is an eyeopener about shaw:


Letter to the Reverend Ensor Walters (1933), as quoted in Bernard Shaw : Collected Letters, 1926-1950 (1988) by Dan H. Laurence, p. 305

I don't think shaw is a very good source for praising Islam.

1. ofcourse and thats what I have been saying all along. Advise if someone does not listen leave them be, its between them and God.

3. No, the greeks also gave women rights. Islam gave rights to middle-eastern and Bedouin women, women who lived in a culture where daughters were discarded upon birth. So no, Islam was not the first religion to gave women rights, it was the first to give rights to middle-eastern women. The rest of the world is not among those.

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A. I fail to see how someone needs to be properly qualified . If for example you see someone innocent being attacked, would you not try to stop it? Right and wrong only need clear definition to those who are morally corrupt/ sociopathic. Islam has extended this concept to include all issues. Hence promoting a communal effort to stop evil , even smaller evils like lying , cheating corruption etc. I agree that a morally corrupt person should not be preaching. But that does not mean something i plainly see to be wrong , i should not atleast try to stop it from happening.
B.You have not given any source for this "historical background". Till which point it is merely conjecture or someone's opinions. It may be someones analysis. Does not make it relevant since the ayat was sent by Allah. He alone knows the "historical background". I would refrain from speculating as far as islamic laws is concerned. I believe the Lord to be more than enough to decide for us whats good and what's not. And He has.Whether you shun that law in the name of being "modern" is entirely up to you. Does not make it irrelevant in modern times.
C. Hadith IS islamic law. Kindly reconfirm from learned people. You are just nitpicking. Many things have been defined by Hadith as being allowed or prohibited. E.g nikah mutah (according to sahih bukhari & muslim) , prohibition of wearing silk for men,prohibition of music etc. Hence it is part of Shariah and Islamic law. What you say is merely saying it differently. Being based in hadith and derived from hadith and hadith being law is the same thing. Merely word play.

D. My quote from him was to show that even an atheist would not be put off by islam , due it being archaic . Period. He was an atheist. I dont hold him in high regard for his views on islam. Merely an example of the western tilt towards islam.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle

The moment i mentioned Shaw and all hell breaks loose.

1. Agreed.

3. No , the greeks weren't. They were notorious for mistreatment of women not necessarily physical, but demeaning in general.
I could give you hundreds of articles on this.Here are two papers as an example.

http://webpage.pace.edu/nreagin/F2004WS267/AnnaCho/finalHISTORY.html

http:/www.academia.edu/1169194/Domestic_Abuse_and_Violence_Against_Women_in_Ancient_Greece

There are many books and articles on the subject.I would advise you to go and read again the treatment of women in ancient greece. Islam was and still is the only religion promoting equality of rights for women in all fields of life.


For all those arguing that we shouldnt "shove" islam down your throats , the reverse is also true. You are shoving liberal and antireligious arguments down our throats. Both should not happen. The moment Islam is mentioned , two cliques are formed. Both should allow the other to speak. That is what education should teach us. Sadly it hasnt. For Muslims, Islam IS everything. Maybe you dont feel that way. That doesnt invalidate the way muslims in general feel nor are those feelings in anyway misguided.

"And our duty is only to convey plainly (the Message)."
(Surah Yasin Verse 17)

Whether you believe it is up to you. The message has been conveyed.



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