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Chandoo
15-11-08, 06:34 PM
[PG Debate] 15/11/08

DEBATE TOPIC:

"Do you believe that the PS3 would have taken off much better in Pakistan if it were a DVD based console with cheaper media and the possibility of the console security being cracked early after its launch ?

or are you satisfied with its current state in Pakistan ?"



Please keep the discussion civil.

DarkSlayer
15-11-08, 06:50 PM
I do think that if PS3 had a cheaper media that would be cracked...it would've been more popular than x360,it has reliability...plus almost everyone has a ps2,and they would be more attracted to the successor...so the predecessor popularity could've gave ps3 a win for sure.

however,i think PS3 is still good in its current state...we're living in a so called third world country,so its hard to expect more.And i think its surprising to see people crave gaming just like any other...some of us by the grace of Allah,can afford all consoles + with a kickass lcd sitting in their rooms.

hasanJ
15-11-08, 07:00 PM
the truth be told i was originally intending to buy PS3 for the same reason DarkSlayer pointed out
tht it was the successor of PS2 and ppl wuld have bought it without a seconds hesitation

i also thought why iz Microsoft even bothering with a console with PS3 on the way who will buy the 360 anyway?
as i was a PC gamer i chose 360 bcoz of cheap games i had no idea whtsoever wht type of games both these consoles
offer later i realized tht 360 had games which i personally find entertaining having never owned the PS2 nor touching a
single Japanese based game and 360 was the better choice for Cross Platform titles

Currently only hardcore Sony fans buy PS3 as only a handfull of ppl can afford to buy Genuine games

qaisrani
15-11-08, 07:18 PM
Yeah you are very much right. I think many people are apprehensive to get a PS3 because they can't afford original games. However, I still think if someone can afford a machine like X360 even they can buy originals if they start collecting money and compromise on few of their money spending options. I know its easy for me to say this but trust me I have to go through the same. Now i have recently collected money for a PS3 game knowing that I can spend that money on other things, however thats my choice where I spend it.

Sadly, our people don't want to spend that much money on the games at all 'cos they are used to spending 100 rupees and then playing the game for a while. I know of so many people who just buy games and don't play them for a long time at all 'cos of the value of the money they spend. Atleast after buying originals, I actually buy quality games and even complete them, which gives me the chance to enjoy every penny that I have collected or earned and spent.

Again I know that many people might be furious by what I have said and I accept that we belong to a third world country, however I would again like to mention that if you can afford a X360 then trust me you can collect money after intervals to buy games as well...Its the same in west...I know a lot of people who are confused which games to get since they have a limited budget. They also don't have too much to spend on games whereas here you go, buy a game for 100 and if you like it, you play it for a while and if you don't, you just throw it away in the corner...I have witnessed this happening.

Its time that our people change their perspective about gaming...Unfortunately even many gamers here don't take it that seriously and claim themselves to be hardcore games with all due respect :-)

brightside
16-11-08, 12:42 AM
Is this a serious question? The answer is as obvious as the answer to the following prompt:


Do you believe that the Ferrari Enzo would have taken off much better in Pakistan if it were a CNG based car with cheaper spare parts and the possibility of appreciation of the Pakistani rupee soon after its launch ?

or are you satisfied with its current state in Pakistan ?

Muaaz
16-11-08, 01:02 AM
^ Just as he said . I mean , who would be dumb enough to prefer it's current status . If PS3 had cheaper media available as in the case of 360 , it would have easily beaten 360 roubd the globe , not only in Pakistan , Because it has multiple advantages over 360 . Reliability , Free Online and what not .

hasanJ
16-11-08, 01:16 AM
multiple advantages over 360 . Reliability , Free Online and what not .yeah i agree but 360s got a great GAMES library not to mention how many ex-PS Exclusives
ppl wuldnt have given 360 a chance if PS3 was launched at the same time as 360
everyone wuld opt for the eventual successor of PS2 but since 360 was released one year early it
became popular increasing Microsoft's console base greatly
Now when PS4 and Xbox720 will be released many wuld opt for 360's eventual successor
ppl bought 360 mainly because it was released earlier then MS pushed titles out of tiles for it but tht wont
be the case with the next Xbox

BeLoShI
16-11-08, 01:21 AM
The debate threads are making sense and there should b ones at intervals.

Now to the Topic

If it would have cheaper media than yes it had been more feasible here but not DVD its current state of Bluray media is much better not much Very very much Better and will agree to the succession point of hasanJ and slayer.

But if it would've been cracked than it was like a dream console for every genre and every age group.

Specially the hardcore fans.

mediumBen
16-11-08, 01:29 AM
If it does happen then it will be a dream come true of every pirate which includes me :-)!!!!!!

Chandoo
16-11-08, 03:09 AM
Is this a serious question? The answer is as obvious as the answer to the following prompt:

there are those who are still satisfied with the current state of the PS3.

also just having piracy may not have instantly kick started the ps3 a thousand times better, consider things like the competition having a one year head start, a higher ratio of multiplatform titles being better on it etc etc.

and i doubt anyone would want to stick a CNG kit in a ferrarri :P

Artcic Zero
16-11-08, 10:34 AM
If PS3 was hacked then I believe almost everyone here on PG would have a PS3 since everyone here is a fan of PS2 then PS3 would rock their life but then it won't be much fun without Blu-Rays as we would be sticking to 9GB DVD's which won't be able to take much details like in Uncharted but if Blu-Ray was hacked it would be much better . But still I prefer PS3 the way it is in Pakistan but if Pakistan were to stabilize it's economy then the Price of Games would automatically come down !
I being a PS3 owner enjoy the offerings that Blu-Ray has and am enjoying the high definition details which 50GB offers !

CerebralTiger
16-11-08, 10:36 AM
I'm very satisfied with its current state....true, more people would've probably owned it, had it been modifiable to run pirated discs....but then, think about the benefits....with a modded console, you'd eventually get banned from free online gaming and being able to download demos for games that have yet to be released

These days, a game with an online multiplayer mode can keep you interested for quite a while....COD4, for example, is something that became a part of the daily routine for many people....then there's Warhawk, MGO, LittleBigPlanet, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 etc....all these games provide a tremendous amount of replay value, all thanks to their multiplayer modes....and broadband internet is now a lot more feasible in Pakistan, so all you basically need is an ethernet cable (doesn't come with the 40 GB models)

Shyber
16-11-08, 11:47 AM
I'm very satisfied with its current state....true, more people would've probably owned it, had it been modifiable to run pirated discs....but then, think about the benefits....with a modded console, you'd eventually get banned from free online gaming and being able downloading demos for games that have yet to be released

These days, a game with an online multiplayer mode can keep you interested for quite a while....COD4, for example, is something that became a part of the daily routine for many people....then there's Warhawk, MGO, LittleBigPlanet, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 etc....all these games provide a tremendous amount of replay value, all thanks to their multiplayer modes....and broadband internet is now a lot more feasible in Pakistan, so all you basically need is an ethernet cable (doesn't come with the 40 GB models)

I'd like to extend this. I am satisfied of course. Sure, its VERY expensive for an average gamer here but die hard lovers of certain exclusive titles or studios would still want to own it.

Also, playing on a non-modified console is something new for me and the peace of mind it delivers plus free online access is just too good to be ignored. The situation can get better if Pakistan is realized as a gaming territory and titles are launch here with appropriate pricing.

Problem is, the censorboard would kick in and there'd be severe consequences with games like GTA4, etc.

Muaaz
16-11-08, 12:31 PM
^ Great , a maulana is calling them consequences :P

However , I scratch my last statement and yes , I agree that it's current state is better . Because this gen is all about online . So , "ONLINE" is the only reason to overcome piracy . However , I'd like to see original games with proper release here in Pakistan for a proper price tag . That'd solve the problem and can put an end to the thoughts about piracy I guess .

NaNoW
16-11-08, 12:52 PM
There was the time when the ps2 was "IT'' thing in everykids mind(mine as well)..but we have to appreciate the fact tht only a small %age of us live above the mid-lower class and not evryone can afford the PS3..

yes if blueray wouldve been hacked and even if the price of 1 hacked blue ray would be 1000 rs ,i think ps3 wouldve been rocking..
but when we say tht ps3 is stable in its current state is not entirly ture for pakistani gamers..
we say it's stable casue the ppl we are discussing this (e.g shyber, cerebral, muaaz ,etc are all ps3 owners, we enjoy our gaming alot) if we were to truly talk to other guys about this they would have a TOTALLy diff opinion, and cmon dont tell me tht u havent raised some eyebrows when u tell sumone i own and play ps3 regularly and love it .
our thinking is tht we will rather buy a computer which can do multiple tasks then a ps3 which is primarily a gaming powerhouse.
Now playing online is becoming the "IT'' Factor and ofcosure tht will influence a number of ppl towards ps3 but how many teens under the age of 17 will be able to buy it....i mean no one has a tree tht grows money(if u do just pm me:P)

but i love my ps3 and the comfortness of playing everything original and doing it the right way is one thing u shuld defently experiance(beats the crap out of playing pirated softwares) and the benefits u get are immense but i really wish tht the blueray (even if not hacked) become a lil cheaper for us and then we will see wat ps3 is!

Muaaz
16-11-08, 01:13 PM
^ The point is , that the only PLUS Factor PS3 has to offer is that you get to play Online without any worries which increases the playablity of a game dramastically .
You get to try out the Demos and DLC and what not .

DarkSlayer
16-11-08, 02:30 PM
well original stuff do give a peace of mind...you got warranty for it so you dont have to worry about a thing.And honestly,if MS/SONY/NIN see's us an emerging gaming market and release things official with special prices....2000-2500rs each game,im sure MANY would go for it.

We have a lack of every major support here Pakistan

Chandoo
16-11-08, 07:22 PM
you got warranty for it

does it even work that way for pakistan ?

Desolator
16-11-08, 07:55 PM
The only reason PS is having a hard time is because it lost its exclusive titles. If you filter out the titles that MS have gbrought from the PS to the 360 then its a whole different scenario.

Muaaz
16-11-08, 08:11 PM
^ I fail to see how that answers the question . Besides , exclusives aren't gives PS3 a hard time as far as I'm concerned .

hasanJ
16-11-08, 08:16 PM
^But generally ppl felt disappointed about it
the biggest blow was FF13 which hit Sony fans hard

Mainly console iz for gaming and the platform which offers better titles will lead the pack

Desolator
16-11-08, 09:12 PM
^ I fail to see how that answers the question . Besides , exclusives aren't gives PS3 a hard time as far as I'm concerned .
Just look at the line up PS has lost
- Tekken
- FF13
- Devil May Cry
- Soul Caliber(not so sure about this one)
- Burnout
- GTA
- Resident Evil

My point is that piracy does matter but exclusive titles are the ace cards in the deck.

CerebralTiger
16-11-08, 09:31 PM
^Burnout, Soul Calibur and GTA weren't really exclusives....the GTA series was timed exclusive for the most part....also, hardly any RE game for the PS2 was an exclusive (RE:CV was also on the Dreamcast and RE4 on the Gamecube)....in fact, the GC also had REmake and RE:Zero, making it the definitive console to get for hardcore RE fanatics

You're right about Tekken, DMC, and FF13....these 3 titles were associated with the Playstation brand....so was Ace Combat, which is currently a X360 exclusive....basically, with the exception of a few titles, 3rd party exclusives are now a thing of the past....but while it has lost exclusivity over these titles, look at the exclusive lineup PS has gained/retained:


MGS 4
LittleBigPlanet
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Heavy Rain
The next game from the 'Shadow of the Colossus' team
InFamous
GT 5
MotorStorm 2

Besides, all of this doesn't matter as far as the Pakistani market is concerned....the majority need a console that runs cheap software....the X360 and Wii are currently the only two applicable candidates, out of which the X360 is the only 'next-gen' console....then, there are people who're wary of the X360's durability issues and wouldn't exactly want their console to die out on them....so it's pretty much up to the consumer's preference....most go for a 360 and enjoy cheap games, yet some prefer the PS3 for its durability and free online play

qaisrani
16-11-08, 10:36 PM
Thats a very interesting point that if PS considers us an important portion of the market, they can offer special prices to us and I'm sure there is a possibility that its sales can boost up.

You know I'm also on gamefaqs.com and when at times during discussions, I tell people that I'm from Pakistan they are so much surprised. Even when I'm on LBP or Resistance and while playing online, if I tell them that I am from Pakistan, they are like do pakistani people have video games and I'm like hello there is a huge market here. People are crazy after games.

One last thing, which I'd say that (I know this point has been mentioned earlier) even if pirated Blu-ray are available we won't be able to enjoy the benefit of gaming online so even otherwise we have to purchase original titles and trust me I love to get original titles. Its a huge level of mental satisfaction. However, yeah if Sony offers competitive prices for their games then I'm sure - like I said earlier - that the PS3 will gain a substantial portion of the market here.

Imran Ahmed
16-11-08, 10:56 PM
I would start by saying what Sony said earlier...."there is no such thing as exclusive anymore", the only exclusives u can expect are the first party games. Console gaming isent wat it used to be a couple of years back , both consoles come with comprehensive OS with online support and features exceeding far beyond the last gen consoles. A console is just not compelete without its online counterpart and i must say that sony has done an excellent in keeping the online service free unlike xbox live. Swallowing a bitter pill and buying a new game for the PS3 is not a bad bargain...you get the original disc with the manual with everything legit + free online gameplay and support..plus it comes on a much better and reliable media.

PS3 is still a much much reliable console then the xbox 360. It comes with a blu ray drive, that means even when the PS3 gets obsolete you can still use the console as a blu ray player to watch movies. Its the cheapest blu ray player on the market. And sony has taken the gaming trend in the right direction with the blu ray drive...its the one thing that microsoft envies. The playstation 3 is still tecnically superior to the 360 both performance wise and functionality wise.

As far as pakistan is concerned, it still depends on the person. If you have cash...you can get a ps3 and buy original games. If you can only spend the cash once...then get a 360, but then...id rather make an investment in the PS3 if ive doubts that my console can choke and die on me anytime....but with the new 360 models out, i dont think it is a problem anymore, and in the end it just comes down to one thing and one thing only....preference.

Personally, i love my PS3 more then my 360. why?....i am not a fan boy, i admit that some xbox360 exclusive titles kick way more ass then Ps3s ....i just prefer sony over microsoft because the gaming experiance on the PS3 feels similar to PS2's with the same controller and all ( yes, i am still tied to my ps2) and the overall gaming experiance on the PS3 just feels better then the xbox360...specially when playing games like MGS4 you realize that this is what actually got you into videogames...and this is what you wanted out of ur console all this time along.

and in refernfce to the topic... Ps3 is doing good, losing exclusives does not mean that the title wont come out on the Ps3...nearly all developers are going multi platform. If PS3 were still a DVD based console...it would be soo last gen...i am happy with the BDs...the ps3 games come region free...which actually makes life easier for us and encourage us to buy original games, because people like me who only buy consoles from abroad would find themselves in one heck of a fix trying to import games.

but on the flip side...this is bad news for the people who cant afford it... but they can always exchange a previously played game for a new one...i guess its back to the Sega genesis days where u had to exchange ur cartridge for rs.50 for a new game...lolz. ... the bad thing about it is that u cant make a library of games like you did with ur ps2.

but jokes apart...gaming is a business...we've just been spoiled by the PS2....thats all that it is.

And after everything said and done...Like i said...it all comes down to preference....both consoles have almost the same games, almost the same price....all it comes down to is "you and your pocket"

i am not here to advocate the PS3...Xbox360 is still an awsome console...i had to get me one too since PS3 is not as great as the PS2...its a fact...and xbox360 is just as good as the PS3. Even with the BD rom and all its gadgets...all it comes down to are the games on the console...thats the only thing that makes it a hit or a flop...in the end its just a gaming console.
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Thats a very interesting point that if PS considers us an important portion of the market, they can offer special prices to us and I'm sure there is a possibility that its sales can boost up.

You know I'm also on gamefaqs.com and when at times during discussions, I tell people that I'm from Pakistan they are so much surprised. Even when I'm on LBP or Resistance and while playing online, if I tell them that I am from Pakistan, they are like do pakistani people have video games and I'm like hello there is a huge market here. People are crazy after games.

One last thing, which I'd say that (I know this point has been mentioned earlier) even if pirated Blu-ray are available we won't be able to enjoy the benefit of gaming online so even otherwise we have to purchase original titles and trust me I love to get original titles. Its a huge level of mental satisfaction. However, yeah if Sony offers competitive prices for their games then I'm sure - like I said earlier - that the PS3 will gain a substantial portion of the market here.


Sony cant offer special prices to us because the games come region free...people will exploit this and order games from here for cheap, and sony will lose money . That is exactly the reason why Xbox360 is region locked...and its left to the developers if they wanna sacrafice that extra portion of profits for the fans then they are happy to make their game region free.....luckyly most developers really consider their fans.....specially developers like UBISOFT and BUNGIE

nain
16-11-08, 11:26 PM
the one and only reason ps3 took a beating was the inability of being hacked.Though xobx 360 launched a year early it was cheap games that boosted its sales although till now there are questions about its reliablity.Similar is the case with wii. Why wii is outselling both due to next generation game play and cheap games.

Take the instance before xbox 360 price cuts and now particularly in japan xbox 360 is being outsold by ps2.If ps3 would have been hacked it would have been outselling both wii and xbox 360.Imagine if ps2 would have been hackless people would have switched to xbox. There would have been no respect and glory of ps2 in our eyes

Why????

Backwards compatibility would have helped sony alot in gaining market share because many would have bought ps3 altogether which would have provided them cheap next gen gaming and great library of games from ps2

Region free games provide ease of playing on ps3

Reliability---This one would have definitely attracted customers as ps3 and xbox 360 would have been equal in competition

But why there is a strong demand of xbox 360 in our country???

Simply because we are third world country.Everyone here wants cheap cheap cheap.Imagine buying 5 ps3 games costing 15000.Its better to buy 360 for 22000 and buying 5 games or 1000.Thats the reason most of us even me are shying away from ps3 although we love it.

Take for e.g windows why some countrys president i dont remember its name(its in europe) said to billgates that the piracy brought development to their country and he supports it.

So if it was hacked hackers probably would have come with way to play online stealth mode and unban mode like they did with xbox and xbox 360.Ps3 would have retain its glory not only from next gen gaming and exclusive titles but from the respected people payed to ps2

Shyber
17-11-08, 10:01 AM
MGS 4
LittleBigPlanet
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Heavy Rain
The next game from the 'Shadow of the Colossus' team
InFamous
GT 5
MotorStorm 2



Where the hell are Isomniac and Naughty Dog?!? :crying: Shame on you!
These two studios are responsible for 4 of the top 5 (exclusive) games on the PS3.



PS3 is not as great as the PS2...its a fact...and xbox360 is just as good as the PS3.

One of the best statements I've come across. (y)
The only inclination that can be formed towards any console would be 'cos of the exclusives that suits someone's gaming taste and/or the cost of unit game factor.

I have a PS3 now but if I were still in uni/college, I would've had a 360 instead. Right now, since I can afford it, I'm pretty satisfied with what I get. My only dissatisfaction is the price conversion rates, lack of availability of complete library of games at any given instance and no support for Pakistan on PSN.

Waqas
17-11-08, 10:30 AM
Strictly sticking to the topic at hand and not getting into debate about which console is better or why and sh*t, NO. No I am not satisfied with the state of PS3 in Pakistan and I don't see myself being satisfied in future as well. There are two reasons for that. 1, we are a poor country where 85-90 percent of our population consist of poor folk who are barely surviving in these trying times of recession of global scale, let alone enjoying next-gen hi-def gaming. 2, if it ever does becomes viable for a common man to afford a PS3 as it is (Unhacked/Unmodded), there are these greedya$$ shopkeepers who simply won't cut you a fair deal or even sale the game at its original and default estimated retail price. And these are the problems that I don't see vanishing over night unfortunately.

As much as I'd love to see more and more people enjoying the marvels that are PS3 and Xbox360 and appreciating the true glory and dazzle of these Behmuths, this just ain't gonna happen anytime soon. And this just aggrevates me like anything...

Now before anyone argues about the Xbox360, let me just say that I was refering to Xbox Live and free gaming and demos, friends, community and all that sh*t, which can't be experienced with peace of mind when you are using a modded console, can you? Believe me I've tested the Microsofts' ban-hammer and it doesn't tests good, lolz... :)

Chandoo
17-11-08, 01:39 PM
- Resident EvilResident Evil is more liked gained for sony/MS, and lost for nintendo, last gen the main resi titles were all gamecube exclusives.

CerebralTiger
17-11-08, 04:35 PM
Where the hell are Insomniac and Naughty Dog?!? :crying: Shame on you!
These two studios are responsible for 4 of the top 5 (exclusive) games on the PS3.

lol....but I did mention Resistance 2....didn't you notice the Insomniac logo flash before you when you started playing it?....:)

And yeah, I should have included Naughty Dog in that list....don't know how I forgot....:|

des1
18-11-08, 07:20 PM
I personally think the ps3 is just too expensive even for us here in the uk it retails at 299 prices do need to come down, but as for chipping the ps3 the only way i can see is having a software or patch on the system which enables ripped games and then directly downloading games onto the ps3 hardrive and playing it from there.

Hamza Resisted
18-11-08, 08:10 PM
PS3 is better in it's present state already because of the Blu-ray Media and the online play . Regardless of what others say that Xbox Live is Better , I personally admire PSN as much as one admires his PS3 . I mean PSN is free and Xbox Live charges you yearly or monthly which is unsuitable for me . Nowadays Online Gaming is the real challenge in Games as far as developers are already concerned . Even if one says the console is expensive I believe that Xbox 360 is much more expensive then PS3 with Go Pro retailing for Rs.39K and 40GB going for rs.35K . The Games have to be expensive because of 50GB Storage in them . So Yeah I like PS3 now and will love it forever Inshallah , even if PS4 comes out