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USUF
15-11-08, 12:05 AM
[PG Debate] 15/11/08

DEBATE TOPIC:

"If Microsoft were to officially release the Xbox 360 in the following year in Pakistan and they'd provide us with full customer support, official Xbox LIVE and original games for around 2500Rs, will you be willing to quit piracy? Or will you be sticking with it?"


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Nomad
15-11-08, 12:09 AM
If I can get three year warranty for 360 than I would be willing to buy original games for Rs. 2,500

Desolator
15-11-08, 12:12 AM
I would definitely go for original games. I think its about time Pakistan proves to the world that there is a good gaming market in Pakistan and major console companies should look forward to launching AAA titles in Pakistan. Moreover, bringing original games and consoles will allow Pakistanis to be recognized internationally and they can enjoy the same features that the US and UK users are enjoying.

old bigboss
15-11-08, 12:17 AM
original games for 2500 is a dream. 60$ = 4850

well its been my personal opinion that piracy is wrong and even a sin but if big organization are like selling softwares this chep :sarcastic : (0ffice 07 student package freaking +100$!!!!) than i think the deserve it.the only solution to piracy is to lesser the price of original stuff.


but in the end i will say no,cuz i need a 360 in the first place to get connected to live :P

Shyber
15-11-08, 12:23 AM
Not just 360, if any of the three giants release a console here with full support, am willing to buy genuine games!
Heck, I buy genuine games for my PS3 even without any support so its a no brainer for me.

Besides, there's always PC for piracy. LOL

hasanJ
15-11-08, 12:31 AM
original games for 2500 is a dream. 60$ = 4850

Considering Pakistan's Economy if they intend to charge 1000-1500 per game than ill buy it without hesitation
price more than 1500 becomes unreasonable for ppl of Pakistan even if they r well off

USUF
15-11-08, 12:32 AM
@Shyber, There is a Sony customer support center at "teen talwar" that honour's PS3 warranty. You DO know it don't you?

Im not sure of it either but a "well-known" source has told me about this.

BeLoShI
15-11-08, 02:26 AM
Well ! if that is the case i m willing to buy the xbox360 if they provide full support and i read 3 years full support not a bad deal.

yeah pc gaming is all the way much handy for the piracy purpose.:)

incredibulous
15-11-08, 04:06 AM
well if we get the customer service and the warranty is there..i might swtich to original games without any hesitation..
i've always wished if MS would ever introduce a customer care here in pak...

and some people really need to see graphic comparison between 360 n ps3... rather creatin a fanboyism war here..
majority of the games look better on 360 so if it comes to buyin original games i'd still stick to 360 ..
watcha gonna do with all those 25gb of space if you dont have games to play :P

Waqas
15-11-08, 04:26 AM
I'd definitely go and buy original games and support them as much as I can, that's it. And I wish that this at some point in time becomes reality rather then a simple wish. Hack its already happening in India and if any of you who does not know, there is a gaming expo currently being hosted by Sony in India. So if it can happen in India then I guess we aren't that far away from them either...

Raptorian
15-11-08, 08:36 AM
I'd really love to pay Valve, Rockstar, Microsoft and many others for their colossal efforts. We're on page 2 of this debate and all of us unanimously support the idea, no doubt. I don't know yet but I may buy original games beginning next year even at $60. Can't live without online, customer support and legal means to game.

It's a far cry but one can hope Microsoft implements such a proposal in Pakistan.

nain
15-11-08, 09:44 AM
you guyz are willing to leave piracy in this situation but a majority pakistanis are from middle income groups.So they cant afford it.In my opinion most of us would not leave it.See for urself the situation of microsoft windows.Piracy do happen and will happen.

Fahad007
15-11-08, 10:50 AM
3 Years Warranty, Live, Support, Games for Max 2K I will Defiantly go for Original.

But If we see that they are Taking so much money for these games it's Good to buy Pirated Stuff.

Very good Games Max Price 2k

Good Games 1.5K

fine games 1K

afmamoon
15-11-08, 02:37 PM
Guys I think that if MS would launch in PAK they will launch according to people buying capacity; for us 60 USDs is a huge amount; but if I can get one game in 1000 to 1200; I can go with the piracy. But one game for 1500 and 2000; no way; I am ok with the current 100 Rs. Game.

Crow
15-11-08, 02:48 PM
2500 rs? No. 1500 rs? Hells yes.

radd
15-11-08, 04:24 PM
i am completely in favour of an official launch here, that would solve so many of our problems. even though we pay more than the list price for the console we dont get any support AT ALL, which sucks since we are customers too.

im not too worried about the price, 360 games go for Rs. 999 in india so 1500 will probably be the max they will charge here. besides, necessisty is the mother of invention, how long before pg or someonelse starts game rental service??

iNF3RN0
15-11-08, 04:55 PM
I don't think so anyone will oppose this idea, if we get the console in it's original price along with all the benefits of being a owner of a original product (like warranty etc) and the games @ approx RS 1500 (companies sell their items according to the buying power of the people in a specific country, so US$ 60 price tag is not really a big problem).

And even if MS sells the game @ RS 2000+ then game rental services can be started to counter this high price (just like in Europe and US), you can rent a game which you don't think so is worthy enough to spent RS 2K+ on it.

Shyber
15-11-08, 07:19 PM
@Shyber, There is a Sony customer support center at "teen talwar" that honour's PS3 warranty. You DO know it don't you?


PS3s bought from Sony centers give warranty but those PS3s are priced like 8000Rs above the best deal you can strike at other desi markets.

But support include other things like availability of games on launch. Proper shipping of games to major retailers here. Or at least adding Pakistan as a country on PSN so people could buy PSN titles.

hassandx
15-11-08, 07:44 PM
day by day dollar is shooting up against the rupee.and we are talking about original games.no way i am buying original games.i will stick to piracy.one more thing even if people play only original games in pakistan the chances of 360 failing on you will be decreased by 90%.bcoz nobody can afford to play more than 2 games a month.

Blooby
15-11-08, 09:04 PM
Originals for 2500 AND No RRoD Worries EVER!
Xbox LIVE cards, official release parties, Collector's Editions,WARRANTY.
Who wouldn't want that!?
This would be a paki xbox gamer's wet dream (mine's an official WOW Launch XD)
Plus, this would officially break the business of those bloody shopkeepers!
But seeing the economical and political conditions of out country there is no chance of that happening.
But we can dream can't we? XD

sliyk
15-11-08, 10:05 PM
this is such a good topic for debate, ive been arguing with friends for years that if the stupid multinational game corps realize that they have to market their products regionally catering to the economic status of teh gamers in a country then piracy would starve itself out!
consider this, ms launches in pakistan, u buy a brand new non modified 360 with a game bundle or two and each game costing 1000-1500RS depending upon genre and A listing, who wouldnt wanna go clean then and have their warranty and customer support?
i have a good mind to send this thread to xbox.com instead ill do it just now!

manigamer
16-11-08, 12:54 AM
if MS made an official ms center here that would be awesome, i mean we could finally get our rlod consoles repaired that too in warranty ( ofcourse unmodded consoles ) and if ny other problems occur we can get the fixed too plus, i am ready to buy original titles if they have reasonable prices according to our economy for eg : 2500rs aint bad for a game..

BeLoShI
16-11-08, 01:24 AM
i was solving a case study today and i came to know that adidas also outsource their production here in Pakistan.

But still they dont have any official outlet here.

That was just a general answer to guyver.

It wasnt MS's fault that they didn't started one here they tried at times but still they didnt got a satisfactory reply from the government officials they wanted a hefty sum in return.

mediumBen
16-11-08, 01:24 AM
Man i couldnt bear the price of original games. I will stick to piracy.

hotgamerft
16-11-08, 02:58 PM
Well if they do this, which i dont think will happen...Then i will go for the original games......Because i will be satisfied that if my 360 get rrods they will repair it for free..
I think the average life of a 360 in pakistan is about 1 year....Buying original games for 3k is better than buying a new 360 each year

SpEeDyZ
16-11-08, 02:59 PM
"If Microsoft were to officially release the Xbox 360 in the following year in Pakistan and they'd provide us with full customer support, official Xbox LIVE and original games for around 2500Rs, will you be willing to quit piracy? Or will you be sticking with it?"
I would surely be willing to give up piracy ..... playing on xbox live without the constant fear of getting banned will be awesome along with complete MS support ........ its a dream that will InSHAllah come true soon,,,,

Adam
16-11-08, 06:24 PM
I don't play each and every single game that comes out but the games that I do want to play I buy original ... so I would say death to piracy ! ( only on consoles :P)


Can't live without downloading tv shows , movies I don't mind buying legit .

fady
16-11-08, 07:14 PM
3 Years Warranty, Live, Support, Games for Max 2K I will Defiantly go for Original.yes.agreed.no to 2500rs but 1500rs-2000rs is a hell yes frm me looking at all the advantages of paying a bit more

The Punisher
16-11-08, 08:23 PM
It wasnt MS's fault that they didn't started one here they tried at times but still they didnt got a satisfactory reply from the government officials they wanted a hefty sum in return.

Now this is a problem :).......Anyway if MS officially launches 360 here in Pakistan....That would be awesome.....i mean they will give you warranty, no more fear of banning on live, Plus orginal games with their goodies and all this kind of stuff.....and mind you even a sum of 2k is pretty much ok for a new game........

xKILLERSTALKERx
17-11-08, 12:36 AM
piracy rocks
but thinking of rrod makes me think other wise

a happy life with 3 year warenty would be great if the prices of games are in ruppes not in ever increasing dollars

BeLoShI
17-11-08, 03:25 AM
A simple yet beneficial reply would b "Its good to spend 2.5K for a game rather than getting a new console every year at least u get sure that until or unless u got to run it for 3 years without a fear of any kind. Nor RROD will stop u from gaming."

But at times i think if they have done that here according to the weather conditions here in Pakistan. I think how much they've lost in against the claims of RROD here. :)

pindiboy
17-11-08, 10:14 AM
Friday, November 07, 2008

Musharraf, Aziz turned Bill Gates away

Rulers, Baboos seek share in foreign investment: Microsoft official

News Desk

RAWALPINDI: The real hurdle in the way of the Information Technology (IT) sector’s development are bureaucrats and politicians, as whenever foreigners reach here for investment, bureaucrats and politicians holding government offices first demand their share from them.

This was the reason that meetings of Bill Gates with former president Pervez Musharraf and former prime minister Shaukat Aziz remained unsuccessful, said speakers at a daylong workshop under the aegis of Microsoft in Islamabad.

In the workshop, the journalists were informed about the software piracy. Microsoft Citizenship Manager Afzal Mirza, Genuine Software Manager Salman Siddiqui, Oxford University Press Managing Director Amina Syed and Jibran from the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) presented papers on the subject matter and answered to the questions of participants.

Afzal Mirza said that international firms want to make huge investments in the IT sector in Pakistan but when they discuss their development plans with bureaucrats and office holders, first of all they are asked as to how much share of funds would be offered to them. He said sometimes 90 per cent of total funding is demanded and thus foreign investors run away whereas there is no such trend in India.

The Microsoft official recalled that Microsoft Chief Bill Gates had held meetings with president Musharraf and former prime minister Shaukat Aziz in China but no progress could be made because Pakistani officials talked keeping in view their personal gains.

Afzal Mirza said that a project to set up 4,000 computer labs in the educational institutions of Punjab was being implemented while a project for training teachers had been completed. He said the Microsoft had offered to provide software in the government schools at extremely cheap rates but the offer was not accepted.

Salman Siddiqi told the participants that piracy was a global problem and was causing $40 billion loss annually. He said that pirated software are being widely used in Pakistan and the government and private organisations are in the forefront in this regard. He said that if use of pirated software is reduced by 10 per cent, it could add $163 million to the gross domestic produce and $23 million could be added to the national exchequer. Besides foreign firms could make huge investments.The Microsoft genuine software manager said that according to a survey of the Business Software Alliance, Pakistan’s IT sector was at 62nd position in global ranking.

Amina Syed said publications of the Oxford University Press are being published illegally and the National Book Foundation is also among such publishers while private sector publishing houses are doing so at a large scale. Counterfeiting is also rampant in pharmaceutical sector, she added.

She said that minimal punishment is awarded by courts while pirates are not being punished because of lacunae in the law. The FIA official said that the compact disk is not the only medium of software piracy, but pirated software are also available through the Internet.




OK NOW IF U READ THIS NEWS ARTICLE U WILL COME TO KNOW WHY MICROSOFT WONT COME TO PAKISTAN, AND I WANNA SAY ONE THING 2500 FOR ORIGINAL GAME IS STILL TOOOO EXPENSIVE 1000 to 1500 IS GOOD. I SUPPORT THIS IDEA OF MS LAUNCHING XBOX360 IN PAKISTAN BUT PAKI GOVT :( ?

radd
17-11-08, 01:02 PM
that sucks, the current rulers are even worse. i shudder to think what will happen now.

hasanJ
17-11-08, 01:39 PM
He said sometimes 90 per cent of total funding is demanded

current rulers will demand 110%

master bates
18-11-08, 12:26 AM
im willing to leave console piracy alone as ive had enough of the RrOD issues over the past 2 years ," to game is fear is not to game at all"(lame)

this could be the best thing happening to pakistani gaming scene for like ever, and as responsible gamers we all should leave the console piracy alone so the we might also be able to enjoy some of the better things in life, i mean even if we spent 2000 on a single game , if we can play it multiplayer and download support aand the like i mean its totally worth it , not to mention the fact that theres is a three year warranty!!!!

USUF
18-11-08, 01:00 AM
Friday, November 07, 2008

Musharraf, Aziz turned Bill Gates away
Didn't musharraf resign well before this date?

Chandoo
18-11-08, 01:08 AM
that's the date when the article was published, the rejection thing probably happened months before.

BeLoShI
18-11-08, 02:05 AM
yeah that was the thing i was describing in my previous posts if any 1 might read that i have read that way before when musharraf and shaukat aziz were in charge.

NaNoW
19-11-08, 10:46 PM
pakgamers will then be called xbox360 owners...
i m a ps3 owner buying games at much higher rate than 2.5K..
if xbox360 does release(hopefully) , i wont take a second look and jump in xbox boat!

Conscript
20-11-08, 11:14 AM
I'm ready to let go of piracy. But 2k for 1-2 year old games sucks big time. No way I'll prefer that over 150rs. games available before the offical release date.

Firebender
21-11-08, 06:52 PM
How much do they charge for a genuine game in India?

In PKR of course...

Chandoo
21-11-08, 06:58 PM
according to a quick google search Burnout Paradise (360, original disc with manual etc) is going for 1900 rs and Star Wars TFU for 1980 rs in India right now, don't know what the conversion rates are, im sure you can figure out that part yourself.

SpEeDyZ
21-11-08, 07:16 PM
Friday, November 07, 2008

Musharraf, Aziz turned Bill Gates away
there you have it ... now I see no chance of MS launching 360 in pak ............. but lets just KEEP ON DREAMING!

Dark Sith
28-07-09, 07:58 PM
well a price range of Rs.1000-1500 is more suitable , but why not , if they provide all of the services here why not , and if they can give us full warranty on there xbox 360 i guess i would be the 1st to buy another machine.