GUIDE = Basic Overclocking

[Ateq]

Getting some sense out of it? if so..then this is the reason which makes the branded PCs more expensive as compared to unbranded ones.

You think branded ones have some special highly efficient I/O devices. Or the busses are faster? And I know every Pakistani thinks branded systems are 'so fast'. Well, Research is the key!

Branded systems are expensive due to their huge name tags which are embedded on your system and thats it and they offer technical support. Regarding performance, ever heard of PC ENTHUSIASTS or POWER GAMERS going for branded systems.

In leman's terms, if you are using a high clock CPU then one should also use the I/O devices of high efficiency to support the overall throughput of the system.

As for leman I know nothing abt his terms or theories wat ever it is(not to mention in pak they teach outdated stuff or the basic, the core systems which have evolved so much now).

Now we were talking about overclocking here not some engineering theories. From what I understand from your statement about the higher clock this is what I think about it. Let me coin some scenarios here for you:

1. Take Core 2 Duo E6600 and E6700. The only difference between the two is the clock speed nothing else. They use same FSB. Use E6600 with the same old PCI devices running on its default busses and also the E6700, there will be no difference on the efficiency with the higher clocked processor used.

2. Take E6700 which uses 1066Mhz and E6750 with 1333Mhz Fsb(with same clock speed). Again run both these processors on the same system with default settings and you have I/O devices running smoothly.

3. Now, take E6700 and E6850, they have different clocks and different Fsb. Run them both, your PCI device will run like a charm not slower or faster.

To make it simple, you can use the same PCI devices you used in P4 systems or older and run them on your new Core2 systems. It'll run just fine, as it did. Reason: because these things are running at best already. To run faster they require technological upgrade first in the chipset then hardware will be made for that. For example, AGP to PCI-E, Sata 1.5Gb/s to SATAII 3Gb/s or USB 1.1 to 2.0.

So in overclocking as well FSB is raised but we try to keep the PCI busses etc at their default. Why? I doubt if that gives you any performance increase and theres a high risk you may damage them. Because as the poster himself said you need overclockable hardware which your sound card for example is not. And what about the heat from your Northbridge. CPUs, RAMs and graphics cards these are the things, the manufactureres expect you to oc them, hell some even do it for you.

And overclocking the CPU and RAM itself greatly improves the overall performance. Your DVDs burn quickly, your sound data gets processed faster etc. You don't have to oc their respective busses for that.

But still soundcard doesn't makes much impact on the system performance I don't know why he mention that in the guide.

And what about modems and DVD-Drives. Do you want your disc to spin faster in the drive?

[A.Rafay]

Firstly, how can you judge a cd-rom, sound card, modem etc can handle being overclocked by just looking at it? And common sense?

read the post, i am sure u'll get it second time

Who overclocks these things anyway. As far as I know, such buses are to be manually set to their default settings and thats it

nope

And you are missing the important CPU:RAM divider from your guide.

good point, i'll add it soon

Also, if you would have shown pictures or atleast mentioned the BIOS options that one has to go through to do certain tasks while overclocking, it would help the newbie. Of course they wont be named the same but one can look for something similar.

terms are written, anyone can look through the bios

I hope I wasn't too annoying, no disrespect meant.

lol... corrected... feel free to criticize... i am enjoying it

[A.Rafay]

You think branded ones have some special highly efficient I/O devices. Or the busses are faster? And I know every Pakistani thinks branded systems are 'so fast'. Well, Research is the key!

obviously he is j/k... can't u see sign

As for leman I know nothing abt his terms or theories wat ever it is(not to mention in pak they teach outdated stuff or the basic, the core systems which have evolved so much now).

it is still valid today

as for examples... these are standard stuff, they work coz they are backward compatible with old systems, they will work even on core3 systems... for e.g (i'll keep it simple) USB2.0 can run USB1.1 stuff coz the USB controller disables some features and runs at slower speed... to understand I/O properly u'll need to dig through books

So in overclocking as well FSB is raised but we try to keep the PCI busses etc at their default. Why? I doubt if that gives you any performance increase and theres a high risk you may damage them. Because as the poster himself said you need overclockable hardware which your sound card for example is not. And what about the heat from your Northbridge.

ufff... i think u are a new hardware user... in old times a user had to set every thing, there were about 5 -10 jumpers on sound card only, try putting this in new systems... this is a general guide, it implies to every system... but anyway there won't be a user who will overclock his 486 or 386 today and BTW i am not that old i am 20

And what about modems and DVD-Drives. Do you want your disc to spin faster in the drive?

do u know, if u put max supported values as default.. CD will constantly spin and burn faster???

[iNF3RN0]

You think branded ones have some special highly efficient I/O devices. Or the busses are faster? And I know every Pakistani thinks branded systems are 'so fast'. Well, Research is the key!

Branded systems are expensive due to their huge name tags which are embedded on your system and thats it and they offer technical support. Regarding performance, ever heard of PC ENTHUSIASTS or POWER GAMERS going for branded systems.

lol, it's not only pakistanis who thinks that, it's a fact..you better start reading books on Computer architecture and organization engineering to get the idea about the whole concept. Do you know why PC enthusiasts go for building a custom PC? and why they use the optimal and expensive items? these are the question which you can find on your own.

Regarding the engineering theories, when you don't even know what is a CPU and how it works then just jumping into a over-clocking will not make you a true hardware enthusiast, besides engineering theories and concepts made the whole over-clocking scene comes into the existence.

anyway I am not in a mood of ruing this thread keep it to over-clocking..

[Ateq]

@A.Rafay

Who overclocks these things anyway. As far as I know, such buses are to be manually set to their default settings and thats it

nope

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...e_5.html#sect0
From the page:
"When I said that all the things in a computer system are interconnected, I didn’t mention that the memory frequency is not the only parameter that will increase together with the growing processor bus frequency. Other frequencies, such as those of PCI, Serial ATA, PCI-E or AGP busses will also get higher. It is even good to some extent, as it can also speed up the overall system performance a little bit, however, if these frequencies get a way beyond their nominal values the system may simply refuse to boot at all. Nominal frequency for the PCI bus is 33.3MHz, for the AGP bus – 66.6MHz, for the SATA and PCI Express – 100MHz. almost all contemporary chipsets know to lock these frequencies at their nominal values, however, it would be good to make sure it is really so. To do it you have to find AGP/PCI Clock parameter and make sure it is set to 66/33MHz."

terms are written, anyone can look through the bios

Where? I briefly went through your whole guide, I couldn't find any terms written. I don't think I can miss something written twice but kindly quote it or direct me to where these actually are written.

read the post, i am sure u'll get it second time

Call me obtuse but I still can't 'get' it.

ufff... i think u are a new hardware user... in old times a user had to set every thing, there were about 5 -10 jumpers on sound card only, try putting this in new systems... this is a general guide, it implies to every system... but anyway there won't be a user who will overclock his 486 or 386 today and BTW i am not that old i am 20

I don't know about the old days and I don't even want to know. Whatever Im saying is all in reference to today's computers and today's methods.

as for examples... these are standard stuff, they work coz they are backward compatible with old systems, they will work even on core3 systems... for e.g (i'll keep it simple) USB2.0 can run USB1.1 stuff coz the USB controller disables some features and runs at slower speed... to understand I/O properly u'll need to dig through books

The point wasn't why they run, the point was they'll run as they did previously. e.g if you ran a USB 2.0 compatible device on your P4 and now you run it on your new core2 system, it'll run as it did. You will not need a new high efficient device for your new either higher clocked CPU or with higher system bus frequency computer.

And tell me if there are any such devices made as to be able to "handle being overclocked" or of "high efficiency".

do u know, if u put max supported values as default.. CD will constantly spin and burn faster???

Max supported values? Now thats new. Tell me more please... which drive is this that you are talking about which doesn't run at max supported values by default ? Tell me this and I shall get back onto this.

obviously he is j/k... can't u see sign

lol, it's not only pakistanis who thinks that, it's a fact..you better start reading books on Computer architecture and organization engineering to get the idea about the whole concept.

@A.Rafay - Just so you know he wasn't joking, he's claiming its a fact.
@Inferno - The author thought your fact was "obviously" a joke.

So you want to tell me branded systems have superior 'computer architecture' and they are somehow 'engineered' better. Please prove it.

And I don't know why you are getting into all engineering stuff. Okay so you are an engineer, great. And the books, so you've read a lot of books.

First you try to tell me through some engineering theories or whatever that is that I'm wrong when I say PCI, AGP, PCI-E, SATA etc busses should be set to their default values manually when the CPU is being overclocked.

Let's take it back.
I say:

Who overclocks these things anyway. As far as I know, such busses are to be manually set to their default settings and thats it. They will never go higher or lower the set value. And that's what you want to do to keep your hardware safe and long-lived.

You say(directly in response to the above statement):

Since I am not the author of this thread so I can't say anything about the other stuff which you have pointed out, but in computer engineering system efficiency is the most important factor which includes CPU MIPS, CPU throughput and system throughput.

In leman's terms, if you are using a high clock CPU then one should also use the I/O devices of high efficiency to support the overall throughput of the system.

I said in my previous post I knew nothing about this Leman. But I replied to you, with what I could make out what you meant by interpreting it as a response to what I said and of course with regard to overclocking.

Regarding the engineering theories, when you don't even know what is a CPU and how it works then just jumping into a over-clocking will not make you a true hardware enthusiast,

I never said I was a hardware enthusiast, where you're getting that from? An overclocker doesn't need to know how the hell his computer works. You learn how to do it and then you do it, you are an overclocker.
Overclocking is simple, you just want more from your computer and thats it, why should we get into engineering theories for this matter is beyond me.

besides engineering theories and concepts made the whole over-clocking scene comes into the existence.

The first one who does something will always have adequate knowledge about what he's doing. But the ones who follow need not know all that much. Gettin it ?

anyway I am not in a mood of ruing this thread keep it to over-clocking..

I wonder who brought up engineering theories and 'Leman'.

[A.Rafay]

Where? I briefly went through your whole guide, I couldn't find any terms written. I don't think I can miss something written twice but kindly quote it or direct me to where these actually are written.

FSB, Multiplier, voltages???

Call me obtuse but I still can't 'get' it.

all of these things are controlled by northbridge or southbridge.. u can easily increase performance just by increasing NBVoltage.. i'll say it again, this is a general guide, it implies to older systems too

The point wasn't why they run, the point was they'll run as they did previously. e.g if you ran a USB 2.0 compatible device on your P4 and now you run it on your new core2 system, it'll run as it did. You will not need a new high efficient device for your new either higher clocked CPU or with higher system bus frequency computer.

And tell me if there are any such devices made as to be able to "handle being overclocked" or of "high efficiency".

P4 and core2 is no comparison, both have similar ways of I/O controlling... compare a P3 and P4/Core2

So you want to tell me branded systems have superior 'computer architecture' and they are somehow 'engineered' better. Please prove it.

And I don't know why you are getting into all engineering stuff. Okay so you are an engineer, great. And the books, so you've read a lot of books.

First you try to tell me through some engineering theories or whatever that is that I'm wrong when I say PCI, AGP, PCI-E, SATA etc busses should be set to their default values manually when the CPU is being overclocked.

i am saying it again, old stuff required these things... and yes we are computer engineers .. i think inferno meant branded systems are better than stock self assembled systems and its true compare an IBM pentium 3 vs unbranded pentium3s (i am sure u'll find difference)

I never said I was a hardware enthusiast, where you're getting that from? An overclocker doesn't need to know how the hell his computer works. You learn how to do it and then you do it, you are an overclocker.
Overclocking is simple, you just want more from your computer and thats it, why should we get into engineering theories for this matter is beyond me.

Top overclockers are computer experts and they know all this kind of stuff/theories... unlike us (desi overclockers )

[iNF3RN0]

@Ateq: I think you are either getting me wrong or mixing things up, I never said anything like that: Branded systems are superior in architecture then unbranded ones etc..what I was meant to say was: branded systems are better then the normal unbranded PCs of the same specs..

And well, performance, architecture and organization of a computer are totally different concept and offcourse using the custom high performance hardwares aka custom build PC you can achieve better performance, but only when you carefully chose the top of the line hardware..that what most hardware enthusiasts do.

For the rest of the replies I never said anything that you are wrong or like that..I didn't even read your rest of the replies..

I quoted your post when you said that CDROM, HD etc don't make much impact on the system speed, that's why I jumped in, I/O devices plays a major rule in system performance and if you are going to over clock the CPU you need to use the high speed and high performance I/O devices to gets the most out of your over-clocked PC i-e EXTRA SPEED..

sorry if you found my replies a bit complex, and BTW I don't read much books.. nor I talked on the basis of book theories..


For the rest of the information..read rafay replies..

[Ateq]

FSB, Multiplier, voltages???

Okay.. I thought you meant BIOS terms.

Firstly, how can you judge a cd-rom, sound card, modem etc can handle being overclocked by just looking at it? And common sense?

read the post, i am sure u'll get it second time

Call me obtuse but I still can't 'get' it.

all of these things are controlled by northbridge or southbridge.. u can easily increase performance just by increasing NBVoltage.. i'll say it again, this is a general guide, it implies to older systems too

I don't think this is the answer. Read my first question again.

P4 and core2 is no comparison, both have similar ways of I/O controlling... compare a P3 and P4/Core2

No problem, P3s had USB 1.1 I guess. You can use the USB 1.1 compatible device now with the newer systems.

i am saying it again, old stuff required these things... and yes we are computer engineers .. i think inferno meant branded systems are better than stock self assembled systems and its true compare an IBM pentium 3 vs unbranded pentium3s (i am sure u'll find difference)

now my friend ur shifting ur comments................previously you thought it was a joke and now you say its true.
give me a valid and unanimous reason y u think their will be a difference. and u shud come up with something different than inferno.
As I said earlier prove it with some external source. And better if you just take this statement to another good forum(e.g guru3d forum) and see what others think about it.

Top overclockers are computer experts and they know all this kind of stuff/theories... unlike us (desi overclockers )

Knowing more is great. What Im trying to say is you do not need to be a computer expert to successfully overclock your CPU.

do u know, if u put max supported values as default.. CD will constantly spin and burn faster???

Max supported values? Now thats new. Tell me more please... which drive is this that you are talking about which doesn't run at max supported values by default ? Tell me this and I shall get back onto this.

u forgot this one bro...................

[Ateq]

branded systems are better then the normal unbranded PCs of the same specs

even this is untrue. if u think than please prove it.

And well, performance, architecture and organization of a computer are totally different concept and offcourse using the custom high performance hardwares aka custom build PC you can achieve better performance, but only when you carefully chose the top of the line hardware.

if u use same specs for both branded and custom pc(without even using high performance hardware) their will be no difference at all. and custom will be far cheaper. google this and see if im wrong.

@Ateq: I think you are either getting me wrong or mixing things up, I never said anything like that: Branded systems are superior in architecture then unbranded ones etc.

Im not mixing things up. This is a quote from your post.

lol, it's not only pakistanis who thinks that, it's a fact..you better start reading books on Computer architecture and organization engineering to get the idea about the whole concept.

You tell me to read books on computer architecture and organization engineering to find out that branded systems are better. So I come up with

So you want to tell me branded systems have superior 'computer architecture' and they are somehow 'engineered' better.

I quoted your post when you said that CDROM, HD etc don't make much impact on the system speed

I never said that. Let's see what I said 'Who overclocks these things anyway. As far as I know, such buses are to be manually set to their default settings and thats it'
And I also posted a link supporting what I said. Again: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...e_5.html#sect0

I didn't even read your rest of the replies..

man u must sit back and scroll back and read it. so u see its not me whose mixing things up.

I quoted your post when you said that CDROM, HD etc don't make much impact on the system speed, that's why I jumped in, I/O devices plays a major rule in system performance and if you are going to over clock the CPU you need to use the high speed and high performance I/O devices to gets the most out of your over-clocked PC i-e EXTRA SPEED..

wat a bummer man, CDROM and HD are included in I/O devices.
and i want to know wat do u mean by i/o devices here, is it modem, sound card etc(pci devices only) or r u including RAM, video card and CPU as well... but for now i take it they were pci devices.
first give me a link of any product that is high speed and high performance I/O device from any make(LG, sony, samsung etc).
"I/O devices plays a major rule in system performance"
its not at all i/o devices man, its their busses which is controlled through motherboard and respective slots and i/o controllers. i/o devices have little to no regard in this matter. i/o devices' own hardware performance is other than system bus.
system bandwidth is the main key in overclocking or high performance stock system.

e.g u make 2 systems:
1.core 2 duo 2.2GHz, 512 mb ram, seagate barracudda 7200RPM SATA and other necessary thing.

2.the second has exactly the same specs but instead of seagate 7200RPM SATA u installed seagate 7200RPM PATA.

now both systems have same speed i/o devices but the 2nd one will be so slower than the first one, thats bcuz its hd has bottlenecked the whole system bus thus the output performance is slower. so its the bus that matters the most not devices' own speed.
that is y in overclocking we play with busses(namely FSB and RAM bus). But only incase of CPU and GPU the scenario is different and thats another story.

[A.Rafay]

you are not reading

i think inferno meant branded systems are better than stock self assembled systems and its true compare an IBM pentium 3 vs unbranded pentium3s (i am sure u'll find difference)

I never said that. Let's see what I said 'Who overclocks these things anyway. As far as I know, such buses are to be manually set to their default settings and thats it'
And I also posted a link supporting what I said. Again: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...e_5.html#se ct0

read the article again (1st para. same page)

wat a bummer man, CDROM and HD are included in I/O devices.
and i want to know wat do u mean by i/o devices here, is it modem, sound card etc(pci devices only) or r u including RAM, video card and CPU as well... but for now i take it they were pci devices.
first give me a link of any product that is high speed and high performance I/O device from any make(LG, sony, samsung etc).

oh bhai!!! kitni dafa batao k yeh guide purane systems k liyye bhi hain... agay purane systems k baare mei nahi pata to behes kyun kerte ho

man u must sit back and scroll back and read it. so u see its not me whose mixing things up.

u don't have to answer everything