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{ Footprint | part 4} Sprechen Sie deutsche?

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by , 09-12-12 at 06:18 AM (2540 Views)
Sprechen sie Deutsche = Do you speak German?

The biggest issue I immediately faced when coming here was obviously the language barrier. Me and @Joker departed our ways from Frankfurt airport to take the ICE train to our destination, along the way I learnt the value of knowing even the basics of another language. I am sure if I hadn't communicated with a few really nice people, who helped me along the way, I wouldve been lost.

The little German I learnt in Karachi (I did A1 course from Goethe), to prepare myself helped alot. I would highly recommend anyone interested in coming here to learn a bit, trust me, it makes your life a lot easier.
Other than that, German isn't a hard language to learn if you know English, Urdu and your teacher focuses on grammar. The alphabets are 90% English with a few twists, S/Z/E/J/F sounds like Z/S/A/Y/PH, thus more than a few words are similar sounding with their English counterparts.

And like Urdu for formal we use Sie (App), and in informal Du (tu/tum). Also like Urdu gender of things is specified die/das/der( like bhens KI, phone KA,etc).
Contrary to my belief previously, it is incredibly fun to learn a language (imagine 15 or so masters student with decent educational background learning A, B, C, D...).

Also learning a new language opens up a whole new culture and a dimension to the world. Knowing a language really does offer more than we anticipate. How would you feel if you didnt know urdu or english?. You would be missing out on alot.Maybe that's why most young people here yearn to speak 3 or 4 languages., cause it's fun.

In cities like Berlin, Frankfurt and Munchen approx 80%-90% people speak English, but in smaller cities like mine the ratio drops to 70-80%. And in villages the ratio drops even further to 60 to 70%. But these figures are for everyday people, because learning either English/Latin/French is a part of German education,and most go for English. So it is a safe bet that anyone who has attended school here knows basic English. Another thing to keep in mind, when a German says he knows english " a little bit" or "ein bisschen", expect him to blow you out of water, these people are modest about their english skills.

You CAN get a job here and live without knowing German, but honestly do you want that, or spend a lil time and enjoy the country to its fullest? Plus most universities have cheap course for its students (WARNING : By cheap I mean nearly same price you would pay in Pakistan, so its better to learn from Pakistan and not waste your time here).

Germans really appreciate you learning their language and respect that. and you can have a time of your life with friends you make in language course here in Germany, as it is a part of the course to interact and communicate with them.

Answer to a question asked:

I misspelled both words, so maybe thats people couldn't Google it..my bad!
anyways here's the answer:

What is Hochschule?

Best answer from wiki:
n recent years, Hochschule has increasingly become the term for institutions of higher education without full university status, i.e. for institutions that:


Institutions that are called Hochschule meet one or more of these criteria, which differentiate them from a full Universität (university).
Hochschulen are similar in mission to specialized colleges or academies (e.g., of arts) in English-speaking countries. Other German terms for this type of institution are Hochschule für angewandte Wissenschaften (university of applied sciences, institute of technology) or Fachhochschule (FH).
In most German states, a Berufsakademie is not a Hochschule by either of the definitions because the bachelor's degrees conferred by such are professional degrees, which are de jure not academic degrees. However the state of Baden-Württemberg, from where this type of tertiary sector education originally emerged, has recently elevated these institutions to the status of a Hochschule as Baden-Württemberg Cooperative State University. The degrees awarded by the latter are academic degrees and equivalent to those awarded by Fachhochschulen and universities.[2]
and Fraunhofer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraunhofer_Society

a couple of pics of my town are below

Alrite thats it for now...next blog when I get more free time.thanks for all the love, appreciate it !


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  1. shahzadfootball's Avatar
    Now that's what exactly I expected from you Trust me when I was new in China,3 hours hadn't been passed and I started weeping to return to Pak cause I just could not understand what is going on around me But now after 7 years when I have learned Mandarin so some pretty good extend,I find it fun when people are having their conversation and I pass by them and I know what they are saying and most of the time they are usually abusing the other person in fun xD :P and I mean I think Wajhi you might agree with me here,if you talk to a person whose native language is not english then you can't really find emotions in his sentence cause most of the time he is figuring out what to speak and I found that out here in China,when you're talking to a person in their language ,you can understand their emotions ! and Just today when I went to the hospital to have a surgery,I was talking to the doc in the hall and idk slowly there was a crowd around me and I was like "Oh Stop it you" because Chinese also love to talk to people who can speak mandarin,I mean they'd rather say "Puchurtao" meaning "I don't know " rather than wasting their energy to figure out words in english to talk to you !

    and One thing is for sure,once they figure out you know a tiny bit of their language,they will ask you EVERY personal question every invented in this world xD
  2. NaNoW's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by shahzadfootball
    Now that's what exactly I expected from you Trust me when I was new in China,3 hours hadn't been passed and I started weeping to return to Pak cause I just could not understand what is going on around me But now after 7 years when I have learned Mandarin so some pretty good extend,I find it fun when people are having their conversation and I pass by them and I know what they are saying and most of the time they are usually abusing the other person in fun xD :P and I mean I think Wajhi you might agree with me here,if you talk to a person whose native language is not english then you can't really find emotions in his sentence cause most of the time he is figuring out what to speak and I found that out here in China,when you're talking to a person in their language ,you can understand their emotions ! and Just today when I went to the hospital to have a surgery,I was talking to the doc in the hall and idk slowly there was a crowd around me and I was like "Oh Stop it you" because Chinese also love to talk to people who can speak mandarin,I mean they'd rather say "Puchurtao" meaning "I don't know " rather than wasting their energy to figure out words in english to talk to you !

    and One thing is for sure,once they figure out you know a tiny bit of their language,they will ask you EVERY personal question every invented in this world xD
    you hit the nail on the head....leave everyone aside for a sec, just imagine WHY do we use Urdu as our primary tongue, even though quiet a few people are fluent in English, casue of our expression of emotion. While studying in English Medium schools we ditch English as soon as the class ends (not talking about burger schools). Even our teachers, while explaining will switch to Urdu so that we can REALLY understand. We just dont have to think about our mother tongue, it becomes a part of us.
    You can see Germans calculating the words as they are coming out of their mouth, so the language kinda loses its charm. It suddenly becomes a tool not an art.
    Also if you tell Germans that you might make a few mistakes as you are learning their language, you see a hint of appreciation in their face.
    and WOW learning mandarin takes some guts, casue if I am right it doesnt have alphabets but words..around 5000 words?
    AsadAbrar likes this.
    Updated 09-12-12 at 03:17 PM by NaNoW
  3. shahzadfootball's Avatar
    Yraaa and dats like hell :/ there are approx 6000 characters -.- and i have yet to learn on how to read and write.i can just read pretty much less to none ....and i agree with u on the mother tongue thingy....even our pak studies explains lectures to us in english and sometimes during lessons teachers accidentally say theek hai n students have like a blank face no isea what teacher jst said
  4. maryfarrukh's Avatar
    A bit sad, on how things went and you had to move out of the country. I'll say good luck
    Just read all of your posts. Pretty informative and impressive. Cleared some doubts I had about Germany.
    I knew already that Nazism is strickly prohibited and anyone who does a similar act would be termed as criminal and be arrested and trialed by the UN Jury.

    Also, been digging that university of your' and its pretty awesome. I wish I would grow up fast. Germany is one of the very few countries in the world where I wanna drop a visit in my life.

    If its not much of a trouble, I would like to ask a few questions.

    1. How is the life, as a Muslim. I mean, prayers and mosque thing. Is it allowed to give Adhan on loud speaker? If no, then how do people estimate the time of prayer
    2. What are the job opportunities for accountants? Chartered Accountants, I mean.
    3. Is your town a remote one? Like a few miles away from city? If yes, then how is life there different from the city?
    I have always dreamt of living in a area like this somewhere in Europe. Does Germany has any of them?


    Thanks, and Regards...
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  5. cheesewarrior01's Avatar
    so whats ur next blog gona be about
  6. NaNoW's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by maryfarrukh
    A bit sad, on how things went and you had to move out of the country. I'll say good luck
    Just read all of your posts. Pretty informative and impressive. Cleared some doubts I had about Germany.
    I knew already that Nazism is strickly prohibited and anyone who does a similar act would be termed as criminal and be arrested and trialed by the UN Jury.

    Also, been digging that university of your' and its pretty awesome. I wish I would grow up fast. Germany is one of the very few countries in the world where I wanna drop a visit in my life.

    If its not much of a trouble, I would like to ask a few questions.

    1. How is the life, as a Muslim. I mean, prayers and mosque thing. Is it allowed to give Adhan on loud speaker? If no, then how do people estimate the time of prayer
    2. What are the job opportunities for accountants? Chartered Accountants, I mean.
    3. Is your town a remote one? Like a few miles away from city? If yes, then how is life there different from the city?
    I have always dreamt of living in a area like this somewhere in Europe. Does Germany has any of them?


    Thanks, and Regards...
    1. Life here is dictated buy oneself...If you want to be a religious Muslim, no one will cause you prob ....if you want to be a "Party" boy you can be one..ironically its exactly like what Quran says "Every soul earns only to its own account; no soul laden bears the load of another. (Qur'an, 6:164, 17:15, 29:7, 35:18, 39:7, 53:38, Arberry)"

    there are 3 mosques here, that i know of...maybe a couple more, i am not sure...and since the city isnt big thats reasonable..All Pakistanis in my class go to friday prayers after our class..actually its very nice to see all sects pray under one roof....
    no loudspeakers arent allowed here for any purposes (except authorized demonstration in town centres)...for namaz timings either you can get an app, like 95% of us..or get a timetable from local mosque or German authority for religious affair...if you have doubts over some food being served halal, you can either email the company, or ask Germany food regulation..in my instance I got an answer within two days from both authorities...



    2. Job opportunity are endless. Period...But are dependent on your level of German language though...English is acceptable in Engineering companies , I am not aware about CA/MBBS/MBA/BBA...I would suggest you go on Daad.de and search for a course in english..But if you can learn German in Pakistan (upto level B1 or B2). Germany is full of opportunity then..Remember they are the 2nd biggest exporters and one of the most stable economy in the world

    3. My City (Freiburg),
    Freiburg im Breisgau (Alemannic: Friburg im Brisgau) is a city in Baden-Württemberg, Germany with a population of about 230,000 people. In the extreme south-west of the country, it straddles the Dreisam river, at the foot of the Schlossberg. Historically, the city has acted as the hub of the Breisgau region on the western edge of the Black Forest in the Upper Rhine Plain. One of the famous old German university towns, and archiepiscopal seat, Freiburg was incorporated in the early 12th century and developed into a major commercial, intellectual, and ecclesiastical center of the upper Rhine region. The city is known for its ancient university and its medieval minster, as well as for its high standard of living and advanced environmental practices.
    Cities here are generally small (except Berlin, cause its Freaking huge)..So even though area isnt ALOT, its as established as any place on earth.

    Germany is in Europe, so ofcourse you get THAT experience. It is insanely beautiful, very clean and very modern. In my opinion best place to live all things considered. But the only place that can beat it here is RAW beauty of Pakistan (specially the northern areas, I mean K2..nanga parbat, shangrilla, gilgit...)
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  7. NaNoW's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by cheesewarrior01
    so whats ur next blog gona be about
    Surprize!!
  8. xcvb2012's Avatar
    Nice blog. Read all of them. Waiting for the next one
  9. assuc's Avatar
    After reading alll ur blogs, em realli getting excited about ur next blog!
  10. AsadAbrar's Avatar
    Interesting.
    I really like your blogs. If there could be some more pictures of a kind of video blog?
  11. Joker's Avatar
    @Wajhi, nice blog son u have covered almost everything..

    well when we departed from Frankfurt, i went to Weimar as u know. from Weimar i came to Chemnitz. but knowing very very little language caused huuuge problems for me.. wajhi i dunno about Freiburg, but if u come to Eastern side, very very very few ppl speak very little English, like 90% of them dont.

    i still remember on my 2nd of 3rd day here, i went to Penny (i hope u know what penny is ) and i asked for eggs, she didnt even know the german word for eggs. i was so frustrated..

    i then started learning German seriously. like giving it 4hrs everyday. now i can construct sentences etc etc. like i can make them understand what im trying to say. like just last week i had to take a friend of mine to city registeration office. i asked the lady there "Sprechen Sie Englisch? ", she said "nein" right away. so i had to talk to her in German. i still remember that was my first proper convo in German with anyone. i then took my friend to Sparkassee. they didnt speak english there. so again i was forced to speak German.

    my point is, the place im currently in right now, since they dont speak English, so i was forced to speak German from the very beginning. and thanks to my Deutsche Sprache teacher, i picked it up very quickly. now i dont have to look at their machine for the total amount at any store. i just hear them and i know how much it is..

    PS: thanks to German, my English is going down everyday . Wajhi, try talking to me in German next time u call me
  12. NaNoW's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Joker
    @Wajhi, nice blog son u have covered almost everything..

    well when we departed from Frankfurt, i went to Weimar as u know. from Weimar i came to Chemnitz. but knowing very very little language caused huuuge problems for me.. wajhi i dunno about Freiburg, but if u come to Eastern side, very very very few ppl speak very little English, like 90% of them dont.

    i still remember on my 2nd of 3rd day here, i went to Penny (i hope u know what penny is ) and i asked for eggs, she didnt even know the german word for eggs. i was so frustrated..

    i then started learning German seriously. like giving it 4hrs everyday. now i can construct sentences etc etc. like i can make them understand what im trying to say. like just last week i had to take a friend of mine to city registeration office. i asked the lady there "Sprechen Sie Englisch? ", she said "nein" right away. so i had to talk to her in German. i still remember that was my first proper convo in German with anyone. i then took my friend to Sparkassee. they didnt speak english there. so again i was forced to speak German.

    my point is, the place im currently in right now, since they dont speak English, so i was forced to speak German from the very beginning. and thanks to my Deutsche Sprache teacher, i picked it up very quickly. now i dont have to look at their machine for the total amount at any store. i just hear them and i know how much it is..

    PS: thanks to German, my English is going down everyday . Wajhi, try talking to me in German next time u call me
    OoooommmMMgggGGG>>>...that's exactly how i judged my German skills hahaha..i used to watch numbers on "penny's" till now I hear what she says
    I can construct a few sentences by now...
    thankfully my town is much better in English speaking population..
    @AsadAbrar @xcvb2012 @assuc Danke!!
    Updated 15-12-12 at 06:01 AM by NaNoW
  13. xcvb2012's Avatar
    @Wajhi
    willkommen
  14. Joker's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wajhi
    OoooommmMMgggGGG>>>...that's exactly how i judged my German skills hahaha..i used to watch numbers on "penny's" till now I hear what she says
    I can construct a few sentences by now...
    thankfully my town is much better in English speaking population..
    ur lucky then. in Eastern side, they dont. its good and bad at the same time but here also, in Dresden, Leipzig, they do..

    it reminds me of a very funny story. i was sitting with my friend in Dresden and we were having coffee. 2 germans were there too and they were about 70 y.o they were having beer. my friend wanted cigs. she was talking about where we could find cigs in that area. we were talking about how good it would be if the town oldies spoke English. we said some other stuff about them too. when we were leaving the table, the german spoke "Go around the corner, ull find it there" u have no idea about the embarrassment we felt it was really funny
  15. AsadAbrar's Avatar
    @Wajhi
    Begrüßung!

    Don't know if its correct or not but I mean welcome.

    If there could be some more pictures of a kind of video blog?
    ^ Perhaps?
  16. K3yser's Avatar
    @Wajhi: hey!

    my kid brother is going to Vienna for his Masters Degree in Architecture... considering language commonality as well as history, any pointers you might wanna give?

    He's taken couple of courses from Goethe as well (abt 1 year back) but has started brushing up his german language skills recently as people have told us its a big problem especially if youre going there to study.

    One more thing, I presume there are a lot of Yiddish people there, especially in that GER/AUS region...any comments on that?
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